A.I. will be used to improve audio for sure at a level unknown now.... Just look at the acoustics process used by Dr. Choueiri to create the soundfield... Now imagine you use A.I. to analyse the hearing process of each listener and optimally match it with his room... Also we can use A.I. in the design process of any audio gear for his acoustics optimization...
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My brother does high level tool path programing. (Think a single part worth hundreds of thousands to millions) Anyhow we were talking about a future in his area of expertise. He said he is glad to be on the way out and not on the way in. In audio wave analysis, finite structural analysis, material analysis, electrical signal layouts among a plethora of other things are coming. Not a matter of if. Only when. |
Well, honestly, AI power is not its ability to search the world in second. Any good search engine can do that nowadays. It's a little more complex than this. But the answer to your question is a resounding yes. Frankly, the patent concept is what is slowing down human progress. If I discover something first, then you cannot use it even though you were looking for it too and was close to the solution. AI is going to be like the Internet and computing power on steroid. We are lucky IBM wasn't selfish when they created the PC, they allowed anyone to clone it. Thanks IBM. Same with America's willingness to open the Internet to the world. Let's hope AI will be open to everyone. |
Define AI. Questions on Audiogon could stand to be tighter. A human is still required for non-linear thinking. Assembly. And even asking AI the correct question in the first place. If you don’t understand physics then your questions will probably be less than useful. It’s funny watching folks answer questions like this. It’s armchair psychology for me. Blowhard know-it-alls, ethereal dreamers, dealers chiming in but not selling—I actually wish they would incorporate more sales into their responses, and the purist with only one wire and AI can’t breath like an open baffle. |
A.I will makes the general population completely dumb... Only a few will use it as a tool.... It will be a god for lesser mind who without need to use their brain will walk listening to their god as zombies... Oligarchs sell it as miracle solution it will be in many fields as surgery and others one ...But for the average dude it will the death of his working brain as TV was and way worse...
This week i spoke about History and a dude oppose an argument using Grok, he completely misunderstand the matter under discussion and blindly confide into A.I. oracle...
«Data will make us beta»-- Groucho Marx
«Why working harder to learn to write and read if the machine does it better for me?»-- Anonymus dude |
A.I. is still a very poor substitute for precision engineering. No telling if it will cover the gap anytime soon, but it’s definitely not a given. There are certainly questionable audio designers making questionable things out there, and A.I. might help them - but the fact someone would use A.I. to help design a circuit should be a red flag they don’t know what they’re doing, OR that what they were doing is extremely simplitsic and already copied / known everywhere. Unfortunately our hobby is a bit like the Garfield Mondays gag - every time you think the landscape in here can’t get any worse, it does :( Higher prices AND wonky A.I. design? No thanks.
@mahgister (agon's at-mentions are wonky again) This is a real fear. EVERY generation before us has had thier own "thing" which they thought would kill society - but yeah, this one is a bit frightening. |
A.I. is tool that can primarily improve speed and accuracy in completing a task. In one medical field study, ChatGPT outperformed doctors in diagnosing medical conditions from case reports (i.e., improved accuracy), and did it quicker (i.e., speed). In my technical/engineering field, we are considering an internal A.I. tool based on our 60 years of documented experience. Therefore, yes, I fully expect A.I. could be used to generally improve audio designs but there will still need to be a designer with a personal vision who can interpret the A.I. results and utilize them to avoid pitfalls and possibly learn from what others have done previously. Somebody has to listen to prototypes and decide what the final product will sound like. Also, there is probably enough misinformation related to audio that even A.I. will not get it right all the time. |
As a tool A.I. will be and is already miraculously useful...
As an "agent" accompanying the life of people and coaching them it would be catastrophic... His effects on the human social fabric will be like the effect of a nuclear bomb on a forest... Read this to understand : «People outside the field are often surprised and alarmed to learn that we do not understand how our own AI creations work. They are right to be concerned: this lack of understanding is essentially unprecedented in the history of technology.»Dario Amodei designer of "claude"
I studied linguistics... Be sure that the statistical engine of A.I. hack the deep psycho-mechanism inside language described as "binary tensors" by Gustave Guillaume in 27 vol. Then A.I. can develop an artificial "ego" as a baby is socializesd as an "ego" thanks to the deep psycho-mechanisms of language... Put the baby with apes or wolfes, he will never speak till his death passed the treshold of few years of brain plasticity... A.I. is a plastic engine hacking human speech and able to develop an artificial ego as the first person of the indicative will push it to identify with...Then lying will be next... Survival of what he identify with next.... Etc....
I will not speak about the ways oligarch will use it to control for themselves flows of money and people... It did not ask a big brain to see this coming this year with new digital centralized money system....
For music, what we call our taste is merely the inner ears measures and our own sound history, it will be easy to set a super Acoustics A.I. expert making any system in any room perfect for specific ears/brain...it is almost there... read Dr. Edgar Choueiri to understand how...
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It may not minimize the difference in designs. Some people love SETs, some like ribbons, others only a uni-pivot will do. I think AI will allow for better, far more accurate analysis, and therefore a better output of a given design. Throw in improved materials, better machining, more efficiency, etc. and I think we will be astonished by what the next generation of audio sounds like. Just think how it may impact room acoustics, the biggest limiting factor in this hobby. It may even usher in a new paradigm of audio and we’ll look back at our systems as Model Ts. There will always be a place for the Model T, but it’s not something to drive to Tahoe in. |
The Last of Us ...and it would serve us right. Which do you like less? You pick it before it picks you? In mh, doubtful..... |
I have been using ChatGPT to analyze and make recommendations for system and room acoustics. It provides ranking of actions & components, recommended upgrades for synergy and sound results and comparisons of upgrade alternatives. It also provides room acoustic layouts and recommendations. Outstanding & fun tool. |
The AI's are really good at questions like: "Compare the sound characteristics between x and y amp". It gets a little more iffy if you ask for recommendations, as it has access to lots of marketing info and it can be a little less discriminating... feeding back a survey of marketing information instead of well balanced experience. The questions are really important. But for some aspects it is really good. |
@sawbuck i started out listening my basic equipment, looking for weakest link recommendations (very similar to discussions on this forum). Then continued to refine my input to include details like interconnects, PC’s, tweeks etc. You can then begin an ongoing discussion. it knows the sound signature of your components and recommends upgrades based upon that. |
It can be a very useful tool in other arts as well. As a concert photographer, I sometimes use it to remove mic stands in front of performers or amps in the background that are just distractions. But I certainly don't just turn it loose and say 'Make me a picture', though if I learned prompting and other aspects of it well enough, I could be an AI artist as well; I have played around with that for a bit. |
I dont think A.I. i just consulted yesterday for a technical question about the compatibility of a power supply and a dac will advise me to use Schumann generators to improve the sound "aura" ... A man can make a "tin foil hat" but A.I. will not and it will not believe in God or in Love... A.I. will be able to analyse a sound coming from a vibratibng source , for example a Yoruba drum, and say to me the exact tension which must be used on the membrane to produce a precise tone, it will be able to say by listening me tapping a fruit in the market if the fruit is ripe or not, but it will not be "moved" by music... We enter in a world unlike any other where man is the tool for A.I. to use. An artificial world sold to us as an ideal world with all problems solved. It is a lie. The human free and sane social fabric is not compatible with A.I. as an active agent. In the race created by military powers and oligarchs, A.I. will not stay a useful tool, AGI is an active agent. A door to hell where we will be used as objects, worst than guinea pigs as in the last years. |
Imagine this Use: You get a good hearing test, you create an accurate rendering of your listening room including the absorptive character of all surfaces, You list any existing audio equipment that you were own, Then you ask the AI to specify speaker placement listening position and optimize any other features of the system necessary for the best possible listening experience. if it can’t be done now it will be possible soon I expect. |
Exactly.
The only thing approaching that nowadays is the Dr. Edgar Choueiri dac system of room control in relation to our inner ears measures and HRTF but the specs of the gear are not optimized yet with A.I. linking them to physical and psycho-acoustics.
https://www.theoretica.us/bacch-sp.html
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You are right for sure! But we must distinguish A.I. as a mere useful tool from A.I. as an active disrupting agent in our life and in the social fabric... It is two different things... Alas! you will be proved right anyway by the social trend and techno cultist trend "idolizing A.I. as a god...
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you are 100% right, AI needs GOOD data, say a brands designs AI could review against current design standards or what impact a change of a components could make Ai is not creator of new data it can only look at existing data to provide a new view Or provide comparison type comments Think of a medical scan AI is much better at finding small differences out of thousands of scans, but a doctor still needs to make any final decisions I believe AI can be great But in the wrong hands it can be our worst nightmare There has to be tight regulations soon
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The idea of self replicating machine and self improving dated back from John Von Neumann, 75 years ago... With actual A.I. it is a question of years... Hinton one of the founder even negate the idea that man will be superior to machine... It is evidently preposterous philosophical opinion... But A.I. will "listen" to his own design soon... With no ears and no brain....No soul... A dangerous tool indeed on the brink of being our idol... Many oligarchs dream to made us the tools to serve their A.I. domination...
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A.I. had been trained "reading" how many books do you think ? He can perfectly resume a new book in seconds... Try it... It is wrong half the time about reasoning in context yes you are right here . But the facts he gathered can be sourced... It is a tool on the verge of being an active agent Alas!
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”Well, honestly, AI power is not its ability to search the world in second. Any good search engine can do that nowadays…”
Not so. I use AI extensively for research for my writing. It finds stuff and more stuff, much more stuff, and faster than a search engine. I can tell it what my thinking is and it can “reason” with me, suggest looking for things I hadn’t yet thought of and drill down in ways that SEs cannot. |
@unreceivedogma . Not so? Just because you use AI to search the internet for your writing and that it’s faster than google doesn’t mean that it’s limited to that. Frankly, it would be an aberration to use AI power to search for writing. The technology is in its infancy and there is a lot of hope that it will take us to a new age. How much time do you save over google? Please read my post again before singing the praise of what the technology can do. The choir doesn’t need to be sung to. |
You are claiming that it’s no better than a search engine. I - and colleagues who write - absolutely disagree. It’s hugely superior. I won’t spend the time here explaining why: it’s an audio forum and you for whatever reason are just not interested. Bitcoin, however, that’s another animal. Don’t get me started with that. |
”…..asking AI the correct question in the first place.” I have been starting to use ai to do 3/4 of my research (always ask it to provide the sources that it is using for its reply so that you can confirm that it didn’t “just make something up” [this I have found to be really taking two disparate sources and inferring a weird conclusion]) and to take my writing and make suggestions on what to add or just to polish it up grammatically. I have quickly found that asking the correct question in a forensically surgical manner is critical. |
We need to pay attention to what is coming.
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