@nonoise , lol. Fair enough. Weep no more.
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@kota1 All anyone here needs to do is go back and look at your posts and try to remember the ones you deleted and they'll know who to believe. All the best, |
kota1 has turned into quite the troll, hasn't he? The reason I posted the way I did was due to the holier than thou attitude that came with some of the first few posts, which I see have been deleted. Hey, we still remember the gist. If you want to show your shrine and demand obsequence, then expect the agnostics to sound off. All the best, |
@toddsyr same results for me, logged in with safari and tried it. got the same red bar even though I'm logged in and named my system. Not worth the continued efforts and posts about it. You'd think that after all these years Agon would have a functional and friendly site.... |
Have you also noticed that members mentor others with equal attention regardless of how expensive their personal gear might be? Very few were gifted at birth the ability to purchase expensive gear. Most spent a good part of their lives living within a limited budget, but this hobby seems to attract older people and some, when retired, treat themselves to items that they couldn’t afford while supporting a family. Most remember the challenges of building systems at various price points.
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@speedthrills I used an iPad, that’s probably the simplist way. First, take and edit your photos. Then: Click on your profile box, top right of the page You can keep it private while you put it all together and you can save and continue (edit) building it later. Once you’re done, make it public. If you get stuck, you can go back to Help and ask Tammy (Admin) for help, she’s great. |
I have not posted my system in this forum because I think that it is nobody's business what kind of gear that I have. I don't make a lot of posts on this forum anyway. Most posts that I have made are regarding gear that I have owned. For me, my music systems are mechanisms for listening to, discovering, and enjoying music. The music is most important. Beyond that, I want the system to be relatively simple and I want it to be relatively unobtrusive in my room. I love Roon because it is a great interface and sounds good in various places in my house. I am an avid fly fisher, and lots of people that enjoy that sport are crazy about expensive gear. In my opinion, audiophiles are far crazier about gear than people who fly fish. Fly Fishing on-line forums, however, do not have special sections on these forums for listing all of the crazy expensive gear that they have. Just saying. |
Adults trust adults on their words... So useful or meaningful photos of a system could be, we are supposed to be friendly and polite.. I dont understand the bullying and blackmail and threats to anybody... Why ? Because it is evident people proud of their audio system will put it here in image anyway ... Some prefer discretion because their own average system is not in a so beautiful room...That means nothing about their life experience...Some had very beatiful room and system and dont want to put it here... They are free and i will listen and speak to them anyway... My first system photos here were with average components in a completely "crazy/" homemade laboratory acoustic room... I learned acoustic with one year full time experiments each day... I am confident in myself and for the sake and motivation of others who dont own costly system , i posted mine, so ridiculous it appear to be for the eyes here... The title of my virtual system page is " top audiophile experience for the non wealthy " Most commentaries i received even by private emails were sarcasms by idiots... Now my system had improved esthetically 😊 because i did no more own a dedicated acoustic room but headphone... I posted images of my three components... I am proud not of my components so much, but about the way i optimized them MYSELF to reach a TOP soundfield at peanuts costs... but it cannot be seen in an image.. I dont judge people on their virtual system image or not... i will read any good faith poster, and i am here to discuss with "friends" not only about specific audio questions but more general one about music and sound... My main interest now is no more improving my system , it is done to my utmost satisfaction... My main interest is about the question : what is sound ? What is hearing a sound ? I dont appreciate "totalitarian" demands for images and blackmailing people insinuating they are not worthy of trust because they dont put their room in display...
I dont like those who despise other people for this reason... Trust, respect, fair discussions matter more than image of your supposed "competency" because you own a 50,000 bucks system... I smile at this "naiveté"... Audio is about acoustic not about gear cost or appearance... And by the way acoustic did not reduce to costly panels on a wall... I learned this in my experiments.. And photos dont tell this story at all ... By the way the OP question is a legitimate interesting question... We are free to answer it or not...
«Some are so proud to have quit their mother basement even thirty years after the fact that they cannot resist to post images to prove it» Anonymus audiogon poster 😁 «Our mother womb is the best dedicated acoustic room » -- Groucho Marx 🤓 |
You'll have to accept that we don't need your permission to post here, even if it's response to your question or opinion. Also, it's likely that none of us care if you live in your mom's basement. |
I forgot to say that because as you said you are a part-timer here , you dont know that Audiogon is ALREADY an high end site covering all aspects of the experience , then nobody need your opinion about what Audiogon must be , because reading your simplistic description , Audiogon is already that and more... What we need is posters who think before whining about someone or about this site... We dont need your feelings about my arguments, we need your arguments about any posts, and nobody in audiogon will ask you how to transform audiogon in an high end site... it could be news to you, but audiogon is already one high end site..
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I worked in an audio store for two years and worked with and heard hundreds of pieces of equipment in a multitude of configurations including different interconnecting cables, and speaker cables. I’ve worked with professional sound reinforcement equipment and studio recording equipment And I DJ at the Taj Mahal and designed hand made speakers out of rare earth metals for the Sultan of Brunei. I also made secret headphones once for James Bond himself. Oh, did I take any pics! How DARE you....😂 Put up or shut up please!! |
I think you are mis-interpreting (at least sincere Audiogoners) the wish that everyone would post their gear. Its not who has the loudest exhaust at Cars & Coffee, its about learning everyone's journey and perhaps learning/informing others. For instance if your system listed a Marantz * and another member is curious about acquiring one, you might be able to help them avoid some of the pitfalls and balancing those with the joy you derive from same. Too many, especially the arrogant ones, believe its about a measuring stick somehow.
Relax, share or dont share your gear, nobody really gives a heck. Those that do however form connections with others and can learn and improve. For instance, if I post something about achieving neutrality and you look at my system, you will know for certain that I can't possibly achieve neutrality with the gear I have. Now, those that have similar gear looking to dial back the warmth might learn from my mistakes.
Again, its a community but the only way to receive the community benefits is to become a part of it rather than a the occasional flyby snarkiness. |
I agree with @kota1 and @vonhelmholtz . Guys, put up or shut up as the saying goes. Just based on some of the responses in this thread, I will know to discount anything you have to say in the future...for whatever reason. I don’t care if you live in your mom’s basement and only have old, hand-me-down equipment from your late grandfather. I don’t care if you have a system from Best Buy using the cheapest components possible. What I DO care about is your sincerity, willingness to learn new things, and some kind of show of commitment to this hobby. Too many people on here want everyone else to "take their word for it". No. If you’re too ashamed, or too stupid (technically ignorant?), or whatever your lame excuse is to post your system on here, then I really have no need for you to chime in when I have a question or ask for an opinion on mine.
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The "audio karens" on this site rarely have a system posted, brag about their (imaginary) creds and luxurious systems, at the end of the day they might as well be living in the basement with an AM radio that is 20 years old with too much time on their hands. Even the most humble system and blurry pic demonstrates the sincerity of the member who is posting.
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I don't post my system because that is worthless within the overall context of my life experience with audio and equipment. My first system was put together in 1970 and I've changed and upgraded multiple times. I worked in an audio store for two years and worked with and heard hundreds of pieces of equipment in a multitude of configurations including different interconnecting cables, and speaker cables. I've worked with professional sound reinforcement equipment and studio recording equipment. Somehow, you think that by knowing my current equipment suite tells you the sum of my experience? What a joke. |
For those that don’t post their system, on occasion, do you view other member’s system when answering a question? I frequently view the Ops system. It provides me with some idea of the pond in which a particular component lives. I also post because I think that it can provide a better context when I ask an equipment question. One lingering question in my mind is how does my choice of McIntosh enhance, or detracts from what I hear, so I pay attention to what equipment other equipment is paired with McIntosh amp/preamps. I also consider my use of room treatment to be in a learning part of the curve. One of my system photos shows an elaborate number of absorbers resting on the floor, but the truth is that my wife will kill me if I put some of our photos on the walls without consulting her and most are in storage, so as I pull from storage, I am storing them in my two channel room. So far, my initial effort has been trying to tame the low frequencies so that I don’t put energy into my turntable. So, I frequently look at the Ops system. It is really unfortunate when such a posting is used as a basis for criticizing someone for their system vs trying to add value. Those sort of people, and they are everywhere, are to be ignored.
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We can read a post in two ways: for the positive content or intent or to confirm our own bias or to whine for the sake of it ... The focus main point and the most important fact in audio hobby circle around acoustic and psycho-acoustic more than gear engineering which come in second... This is a FACT... Psycho-acoustic science rule design not the reverse... Prove me wrong instead of whining against my post...
Second You ask why i know it is not so common to know that MOST people dont know about the 4 components of a soundfield ? Simple ; if you are of good faith look for reviews, more than one, where it is CLEARLY suggested that there is not only imaging and soundstage but also holographic volume of each sound sources and immersiveness as defined by the ratio and timing between the sound sources dimensions and the listener position...GIVE ME CLEAR EXAMPLE... Knowing concretely something is also being able to create it and control it...I discovered these 4 aspects in my own room axcoustic experiments.. I dont remember reading a review where there is much more than Timbre experience, the most basic factor and two of the soundfield factors not four CLEARLY described ...FIND ME ONE WHICH IS EXPLICITLY SAID THAT THERE IS NOT TWO... Among all thousands reviews on the net probably only very very few mention these 4 aspects... Reviewers focus on the GEAR they must sell not on acoustic experience...
Try to be friendly first, second give me an ARGUMENT if you think i am wrong... Not your whining, but argument ...Good luck... i never complaint myself without ARGUMENTS... because it is that will make this site bad not my enumerating evident facts... acoustic matter more than the cost of gear... There is 4 components aspects of the soundfield not two...And not only most people dont know it , they dont know how to control them in a room this is why they dont experience them ... You know why ? It is very HARD and complex to do... You know why ? Because small room acoustic cannot be optimized by general recipe as there is all over the internet... you know why ? It is because all small room differ a lot by size, geometry, topology and acoustic content, and the owners hearing differ too... Then forget general recipe for children... Experimenting in small room acoustic is not buying panels and changing the speakers location... Much more to do than that.. By the way my post intent was also to put at ease those of us who dont have costly system in dedicated esthetical room and invite them to put their system image without being ashamed because how a system sound for his owner is not on an image .. Acoustic experience matter more than esthetic and cost of the system...PERIOD...
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I would guess that there are numerous reasons for people not posting their systems. 1. Laziness. 2. Don’t feel there is a need to do so. 3. Don’t know how to. 4. Feel self conscious about their system because it didn’t cost six figures like many systems on here. 5. Many people don’t want to make their personal situation public for a variety of reasons. That being said, there are certain people on this site that I would love to see what they listen to. |
I got my system pics all over on other audio sites, I don't need it here. These kind of comments are what diminish the value of this site: "Acoustic and psycho-acoustic experiments are the heart of audio not the esthetical living room with impressive gear components , generally costly we can see..", "For example i discovered in my experiments 4 aspects of the soundfield, all reviewers know only two... And they can afford the best gear ever... Why ?". My reply to comment 1 is: you can have both and the people I know have both. I have built 5 dedicated listening rooms in 5 different custom homes with acoustics, golden ratios, and power requirements in mind before driving the 1st nail. Comment 2: how do you know others haven't discovered more than 2? I'm a part timer here as well mainly because of some of the posts like the 2 above and others wanting to know what is the best sounding speaker. Of course the post will receive tens/hundreds of replies all indicating that their speakers are the best which more confuses the OP. For example, What a more high end site would be discussing are the values of: diffusers at reflection points vs. traps; what sq differences did someone hear when using X speaker positioning method over another; sq differences between i2s vs ethernet vs XX; sq differences between using a preamp vs no preamp; sq differences using a standard network switch vs an audio network switch. More personal evaluations on what they heard when doing their own evaluations on exxperimenting. Everybody experiments in this hobby, some of us build new audio rooms, some of us buy new equipment, and some move their speakers 1/2 in any direction trying to find the best sq. |
@jjss49 Thanks for the heads up on checking on the questionable ones. All the best, |
no, not if you’re earnest in trying to help other people
sorry you had that experience that said, my takeaway would have been that you should have left your system info up, let the jerk who gave you grief pound sand -- makes no sense to me to let one negative nelly troll affect the legit contributions of long time folks here one sidebar note here... as an example, you can click @nonoise and even though there is no system listed, you can click ’marketplace feedback’ and see plenty of that (and all positive feedback to boot) accumulated over the years... so you know this person is for real |
@sgreg1 +1 No cell phone either. Don't care. But it is fun sometimes to see what others have. I think many engage only as far as willing. The hobby consumes a fraction of my whole, listening a larger portion. Agree that many talk about equipment conquests they've imagined. But then is that not normal of people to pontificate beyond their actual scope of experience? |
I second the proposal... it will be comical to see ... 😊
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