Bravo! , we'll said Mike, I've done experiment's with taralabs cable's since the introduction of earlier ground station's of the mid 1990s, you can pm me and I share a few with you, also, at one time, I had the Taralabs, the one with two mono blocks grounding station and one stereo grounding station, all on the same interconnect! , talking about low noise floor that was not supposed to be heard on this model interconnect.
why do people feel the need to buy expensive cable
I have tried expensive cables and one's moderately priced. I would say there were some differences but I can't actually say the expensive cables were better. IMHO I believe a lot of people buy expensive cables because they don't actual trust their ears and are afraid of making a mistake. They figure the expensive cables are better for the fact they cost more. If you have a difference of opinion or share the same thoughts, I would like to hear about it.
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The reason people often state that expensive cables will not make budget speakers sound better is because the budget speakers drivers are limited in their excursion . The more money one spends on speakers generally the larger the drivers will be in the statement speakers . (harder to drive to their full potential ). Thus cables that can send the proper amount of current is more important for those speakers . Hence being able to hear large differences in cables in those systems. |
Ohm's Law suggests that if you desire more current to the speakers all you actually need do is reduce the length of the speaker cables. While this may or may not solve you particular concern regarding woofer excursion, I tend toward suspecting that increasing the current by itself will solve the other issues involved not related to woofer excursion. Such as grain in the treble, soundstage depth, resolution, tonality, frequency response, dynamics and inner dynamics, warmth and sweetness, to name a few. |
"True That . So the designer of amps and speakers should have the knowledge of what is needed to make there designs perform optimally . Why not tell the consumer ? " They can't be too specific because its impossible listen to everything in all possible combinations. Also factor in personal taste. Most manufacturers do give some general info on how to get the best from the speakers, in the owners manual and/or online. Another option is to call them directly. If you tell them about your system and taste, you usually get much more info out of them. |
Who likes going around the merry go round over and over , Start to feel dizzy after a while . How many of you like to feel you may not be using the right (best) cable ? No interest in buying fifteen different cables to simply find the one that has the proper design to fit a particular piece of gear . |
"Most manufacturers do give some general info on how to get the best from the speakers, in the owners manual and/or online. Another option is to call them directly. If you tell them about your system and taste, you usually get much more info out of them" I find the power requirement specs a joke . Magnepan for example states something like 100 - 200 watts for their speakers . Not much info there . same goes for all speaker specs i have read for speakers bought in the past . Lets use the sports car analogy once again . You buy a supercar but they leave a crucial aspect for performance up to you to decide . Unless you are a car designer you are not going to want to make that choice on your own . |
Yeah,I believe 91 and less sensitivity is lousy!, for what we pay for speaker's these days, you would think they would fix this problem that has never been addressed, to me, it's a lousy designer to have 87 sensitivity to get 24htz!, on the flip side of it, an incredible designer to get 24htz and have 96 or higher sensitivity. |
I said I was going to take no further part in this thread, but spurious claims by the usual suspects forced my hand. I have the following observations on this subject; I avoid cable manufacturers who make outlandish claims about heretofore unknown space age technology, who then proceed to publish copious amounts of technical and semi-technical information on their website for sponsored shills and hangers on to then endlessly copy and paste on this site. Secondly, it occurs to me if you were genuinely content with the quality and sound of your cables you would not need to repeatedly post about the qualities and performance of your cables, unless you a/ felt the need to justify their high cost by continuously brow-beating other members, b/ were not actually content with how they sound & were simply trying to mask buyer's remorse by convincing others how good they are, c/ were jealous of other members who own cables you knew sound better & probably cost less than your cables, or /d were actively shilling for a manufacturer (whether directly employed by the manufacturer or doing so of your own accord in the hope of special deals or on their products or public recognition in return). I'm guilty as charged for rabitting on endlessly about my Magico S5's, and I worked out why. They are very good speakers, that's true. But I wasn't content with where I was impatient to move up the Magico line to the S7's. The problem was I was ruined back in 1991 when I got to hear a pair of Infinity IRS-V's in a treated listening room which simply blew me away. The IRS-V's have been my reference ever since, and the benchmark by which I judge all other loudspeakers. So I can own up on that, but I have no such anxiety about my Jorma Prime and Statement cables. They are keepers and I will never sell them. |
Once you acknowledge that cables can affect the perception of recorded sound, one has to decide what a significant difference is worth. To my ears, in my system, cables that have improved the quality of reproduced sound to the degree audiophiles associate with upgrading active components and speakers, to me, just like having high quality components and speakers, alot of money is not considered an unusual investment for cable's that achieve this. |
Mapman wrote, "No manufacturer will knowingly publish something that might limit sales. That's why most speaker makers understate what power is needed for best performance. It would scare off potential customers in many cases if they told them how much power was needed for optimal performance." I actually don't think that's true. I am pretty sure most speaker manufacturers state the MINIMUM power required. They also frequently state the MAXIMUM POWER Handling capability. It's also why speaker manufactures usually state sensitivity, you know, to indicate relative power required. |
Geoff my point is that vendor specs are usually specified loosely because if used teh results will often at least satisy most people. That's different than specifying what is needed for best performance in order to satisfy audiophiles. Maybe some high end companies do, but most vendors overall do not If they do, they limit their market to a select few and must price higher accordingly in order to make enough profit off of fewer units sold. Just saying that proper application of specifications will likely lead to decent but not optimal results. |
In regards to some of the above discussion, cables can't add something to the sound or signal since they are passive. I've always thought that the best ones do no harm so you can hear everything if your system is up to snuff. Or do I have it wrong? And, Melbguy, you insult people and then expect an audience when you post? |
"I actually don't think that's true. I am pretty sure most speaker manufacturers state the MINIMUM power required. They also frequently state the MAXIMUM POWER Handling capability. It's also why speaker manufactures usually state sensitivity, you know, to indicate relative power required. Geoffkait (Threads | Answers | This Thread)" I have to agree. Although I can understand Mapman's comments. I just think its the other way around. If you look at how amp company's rate their products, its almost criminal. Not all of them, but the closer you get to mass market, the more bogus the ratings. I think that leaves speaker manufacturers in a bad place because there's no standard. The average person would think a 200 watt Bryston amp is a rip off because they can buy a Sony receiver in BB for less than the sales tax on the Bryston. |
11-02-15: RunninNo, I tell it how it really is. I give honest advice whether it's fashionable or not. And I call out shills and hypocrites. And for that, I have been banned on several forums, attacked and accused by people like you of being a troll & isolated. But there is a silent minority of people who respect me for not being a puppet, sheep or phonie who are too scared to publically show any support. They're the ones I have time for. |
People feel the need because to them it makes the system sound better. I think if you hear a difference and it's worth it to you then you do it. Cables and equipment are always going to be priced high because the demand in the market is there. I once was in a room where there was half a million plus dollars worth of equipment and cabling and the owner flat out enjoyed it. Did his system sound better than anything I heard? Yes! Would I spend that amount in audio equipment and cabling? No! However, I would never criticize someone else for doing it. Yeah you can get by with cheaper cabling and equipment and enjoy it. However, the sound of the equipment and cabling in that room I heard that day was flat out amazing. It's still in my head two years later. Enjoy your cables! 1.00 or $10,000. If it's worth it to you! If others have something to say about it. Cut your system on and drown out the noise. Don't talk just listen.lol. Audio is a need! We all are nuts! |
Lol Calvin, yes no question it is possible to put together a musical sounding system (incl: wire) on a relatively modest budget if you do your homework & choose your gear wisely. Going 2nd hand or getting a good deal through an Audio dealer obviously helps as well. I should clarify, my above comments were only directed at two or three shills/rear end tow ropes who repeatedly subject forum members to obvious shilling. I don't need to name names as it's pretty obvious who they are. I'm sorry if any other members took though my comments were directed at them. And yes, give the fact i'd rather be single and buy more audio gear suggests i'm a bit nuts! |
@Taters, Audio shows are always sausage fests. It's fair to say there would be a higher than average percentage of single guys <40y.o attending, but I think the older crowd mostly have a happy spouse at home busy catching up with friends or a good book. @Onhwy61, It sure can. A wise person once told me "you'll get there one day". But for the time being atleast, after work this nerdy hobby is the main game. |
Every man should have a good hobby. Audio is ours. Some people drink drug chase women and gamble. We have our audio and most of our wives understand and give us our needed space. They shop we listen to audio. Anyway. Way off subject. Once you get to a certain point you got to have good cables and they are going to cost a little extra money. Lol. |
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The "I just can't stand country music, and that's about all she wants to listen to" blues..... My wife and I like a lot of teh same kinds of music best, but she is not as adventurous as me. Whenever I play King Crimson, it makes her want to climb the wall. And most modern day Flaming Lips, Motorhead, etc. is right out. |
I agree Dave. In the Jorma range, the Unity cables to me represent the sweet spot in their range, though I would go for the Origo pc's as they are quite a bit better than the Unity model. |
Jmcgrogan2 and Kijanki, if it's on the radio now I don't blame you for not liking it. I'll bet I could play you some current Country music you would like, stuff that doesn't get played. There is a substantial and thriving "alternative" Country music community that produces a lot of great stuff. Check out the No Depression website. ND covers "Americana" artists like Buddy Miller, Jim Lauderdale, Marty Stuart, and hundreds of others. |
10-29-15: Ebm Some people have money to buy the best. Ebm (Threads | Answers | This Thread) 10-29-15: Zd542 "10-29-15: Ebm Some people have money to buy the best." And everyone hates us for it, don't they? I say, there's plenty of money out there and if you don't have any its your own fault. Stop crying like a bunch of babies. Zd542 (Threads | Answers | This Thread) Also you need to be naive enough to spend substantially more than actually needed. Scenic statement "This is how much $$$$$ I can spend on wires" is completely foolish. Why would anyone HATE naive and foolish seriously? They give away money for nothing or for someone who sells. I believe that any business owner or seller must LOVE and respect them indeed! They give a great opportunity to invest $20...30 in parts and sell that wire for thousand$ if not more... There are moms who buy diapers $125 each and I don't see why anyone have to hate them too. |
Czarivey, I wouldn't say all high end cables are way over-priced, though yes there are many companies which make huge profits. I'll avoid naming names as that has ended up in more than one major dust up before. Suffice to say, Jorma Design imho is one of the better value high end cable manufacturers, especially when compared to Nordost and Captain Cobalt's favourite wire, Tara Labs. ps: Don't ever listen to Jorma Statement sc's...you might need a diaper because of how good they sound ;) |
