Tube Amp vs Solid State Amp HELP

Oh, so now we're talking about the "sound" of things? Tube amps make reproduced music sound more accurate in my experience, possibly due to the linearity and even order harmonic content inherint in tube performance, or the ability of tubes to burn my fingers…maybe some of both. I like to point out (low threshold of entertainment warning) the frequent SS amp hype that says things can sound "tube-like."  I find tubes to be the most "tube-like" sounding, but I also think Nelson Pass is a swell guy.

What good tube amps are known for is making music "seem more interesting" ;-)

Also, as I've said before, tube amps make you "seem" more interesting, which is almost as valuable as actually being more interesting. Since you have gone for a SS amp, you can still cut holes in the top and stick tubes in it an light them up with tiny LEDs…this will insure some valuable street cred, but will also prove that your friends don't care very much.

I found a  Marantz 2235b on Craig's List for $225 but it's gone now.

wolf is right on. dammit. a nad after all of this???? why not just get an old marantz and drive a stake thru all of our hearts. 

Wait…you can’t make a decision without at least few dozen more pages of opinions from your audio geek brethren (and sister-en). What the hell are you thinking? This sort of thing throws a monkey wrench into this entire operation…next you’re gonna claim the NAD sounds "real good" when, clearly, a D’Agostino would be SO MUCH better for a mere $72,000 more…or what about that pair of single ended class A hand (and foot) wired furniture melting 8 watt tube mono blocks with a passive preamp you completely ignored…come on man! Don't insult us obvious experts with this sort of dangerous and rebellious knee jerk behavior. 

Thanks for all the suggestions. I think I'm going to order a  NAD 316BEE, compare the two, and make a decision .

As if all tube amps sound the same. My old Dynaco Stereo 70 sounds more different from my Music Reference RM200 than does a, say, high quality modern Mosfet solid state amp.

Old wives tales, summarized:

1. Tubes amps don’t have the detail of solid state amps.

2. Tube amps have flabby bass.

3. Tube amps don’t have the bass slam that solid state amps do.

4. Tube amps don’t have any dynamic headroom.

5. Tube amps are not as extended in the treble as solid state amps.

6. Tube amps run hot.

cheers, GK

Tube amps are warmer SS amps have better detail and highs(the real good ones).

A "tube roll" is a sandwich made up of mostly broken glass and little metal bits that, really, should only be eaten by trained side show magicians.

Ok, now I'm worried about the FX-10 damaging my speakers. I was reading the Dali manual and it was discussing how a small amp will have more high frequency information and will put a strain on the tweeter. Does this strain only occur if you push the volume too high, or does it also occur at a moderate listening level.

The problem occurs when you clip (overload) the amplifier. When the amp is overload (distorted) the distortion has a lot of high frequencies at high power and the tweeter only handles a few watts, so it can be damaged. As long as you don't overload the amp you will be fine.

+1 veroman. I thought I had posted similar thoughts yesterday. Must have not pushed the post button. A quality 40-50wpc SS amp would best suit your needs and budget. 

 the hiss is normal for amps of that caliber. it could be a pre tube but i doubt it. your tweeter is in no danger unless you overdrive the amp and even then i doubt it would be blown. not sure if that jolida is amp enough for those speakers to start. speakers with such modest sensitivity numbers need some more power and may be a ss amp is your best bet. never heard them tho so... i think it would sing with a typical 50 watt ss amp and above

kalali, it was a fairly reasonable time. the guy gets them from asia but quickly. maybe 3 weeks if i recalll. very well packed and solidly built. bigger than it looks

Ok, now I'm worried about the FX-10 damaging my speakers. I was reading the Dali manual and it was discussing how a small amp will have more high frequency information and will put a strain on the tweeter. Does this strain only occur if you push the volume too high, or does it also occur at a moderate listening level. I really wanted this amp to work but I'm thinking I need to explore other options.

So far my set up is as follows:

Pro-Ject Debut III (about to be upgraded with a Ortofon Blue cartridge)
Cambridge Azur 551P MM Phono Preamp
Jolida FX-10 integrated tube amp
Dali Zensor 1's

I set up my Dali's with the Jolida last night and was pretty pleased with the results. The Jolida is powerful enough to where I'm satisfied with the volume level. However, when I power on the amp I can hear a very slight drone (I'm guessing this might be some type of interference with the cables/wires). Also when I push the volume to the highest level I can hear a slight hissing sound when a record is not playing. I'm sure the hissing is still in the background while my record is playing, although my ear is not as refined as others so it really doesn't bother me. I'm not sure if there is anything I can do about the hissing. I'm guessing it is a result of the speakers not being efficient enough to handle the Jolida.

I'm going to play around with it some this weekend to see if I can reduce any of the background noise. Again, it really doesn't bother me as it might some. My question now is if the actual music coming from the speakers is sonically (if that's even a word) better with the tube amp, or with a ss amp (regardless of the background stuff going on that I really don't notice when the record is playing. I might have to order a ss amp just to compare and decide.

Tube rolling refers to the practice of replacing tubes with different ones to 'tune' a product to ones sonic liking. To roll tubes in an all tube integrated amp would cost at least 1/2 your integrated amp budget. Tube amplifiers are more expensive than SS ones of equal power. Jolida does make a budget 'hybrid' tube amp amplifier where tubes are used in the preamp stage and possess a SS amplifier. Don't remember the model number.

What are you using for a sources? 

What's "tube roll"?

definitely a tube amp with the dalis so you can tube roll to take the edge off of the treble.

I haven't had a chance to listen with the Dali's yet. My hope is that the Jolida drives the Dali's enough for my liking. If not I'm then faced with a decision. Either buy the Klipsch's from my friend in order to accommodate the Jolida (which I'd rather not do since the Klipsch are larger in size than the Dali's) or keep the Dali's and look for another amp. I really do have my mind set on a tube amp though. It's just with my room, set up, AND MY WIFE'S OPINION; that the Dali's would be a better fit.

Have you had a chance to hear the Dali's compared to the Klipsch's? Which speaker do you like the best?  The NAD 316BEE is a good budget SS amp that would serve the Dali's well. Could be bought new within your budget. A factory refurbished one is offered on AG at about $100 less.

Have you tried the Dali's with the Jolida? 

Veroman, if I may ask, how long did the delivery take? It appears that the items are shipped from Asia. I'm quite a bit intrigued by their bookshelf speakers. Thanks.

musicalparadise.ca has some amps to consider. buy direct from manufacturer. I enjoy my 400$ set amp daily. not sure if its enough juice for you tho but they have others

Right now I'm using my friends Kilpsch RB-61 ii speakers with the Jolida FX-10. Those speakers are sensitive enough to accommodate the Jolida. Now I'm not sure if I should just offer to buy the Jolida and the Kilpsch and send back the Dali's. The Kilpsh are a little too big size wise for what I want however. I liked the fact that the Dali's were more compact. 

You've got pretty good speakers.  Personally I'd save up more like $800 - $1000 and buy something like a used PrimaLuna Prologue.  I think you'll be much happier in the long run.  Best of luck. 

+1 helomech. Check out Music Direct. I like the Marantz 6005 recommendation. Don't know if $400 will buy one however.

$2,600? 

Check into Raven Nighthawk integrated tube amp.  It is $2600 made in Texas and awesome.  There is a topic on Raven and you can see what various owners think of their amp.

You might try ordering a couple of "inexpensive" integrateds from a site like Music Direct, which will allow you to audition them with your gear and return them if they don't work for you. Though I'm not sure if the customer has to pay for return shipping. I think the Marantz PM 5xxx and 6xxxx series integrateds are on closeout from a few online retailers. They are a highly regarded integrated in that price range.

I've been curious about the following amp. Maybe someone here has tried one.

http://www.monoprice.com/mobile/product/details/13194?maincategoryid=109&categoryid=10919&su...=

I believe they are basically a knockoff of a more expensive brand, but I've discovered that some knockoffs can be very good.

Budget is around $350-$400

You keep dancing around it but have never told us what your budget is?  Without that it's impossible to give you a meaningful recommendation.  And no, don't trust Amazon reviews.  You have much more wisdom and experience here. 

hfarrior3, I wouldn't but if I did, I could always return it.

Are GemTune tub amps decent? They are good ratings on Amazon, but I'm not sure how much I trust those reviews.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FE9OYZ4/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=15FLK6IF5670Y&...

If you want tubes I like Wolf's recommendation, check out Jolida. Otherwise I believe that SS options may be a better fit budget wise. What are you willing to spend on an integrated? 

Also, I would like a tube amp if there is a decent one that's affordable. (I know affordable is a relative term)

To clarify, my current set up is a Cambridge 551p phono preamp, Pro Ject debut 3, and the Dali Zensor 1's. Any suggestions for a good amp with that set up would be helpful. It will also help give an idea of my budget range. I'm going to try my friends tube amp to see if it sounds okay. If not I have to explore other options. Thanks for any input.

boletti 

It is clear you are not married : )


Good plan

To hell with the measurements and the amp type.  You need to listen to the options in YOUR system and make the call yourself.  Worry less about the hardware and opinion of others and more about the music.

The Stereophile measurements indicate a min of 5 ohms and low phase angles with a measured sensitivity of 88db for the Zensor 1.  They rated it as an easy load for the partnering amp.  I would definitely go for a tube amp.  Thirty to forty tube watts should be plenty.   

Yeah…weird choices, and that FX10 is really only useful with very efficient speakers, although it's a nice inexpensive amp. As a tube aficionado I can easily recommend a higher powered Jolida integrated as they're fun, sound great, and you can't spend much on 'em as they're mostly a bargain.

Is there a reason why you are stuck between those two particular amps??