Another song by Cosmo Sheldrake :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzaCJHKwhpI
lyrics is under the video....
Another good lyrics with meanings suggested as a flying impression :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYgF5VLKUtw
Another one i love to death:
«Today’s Lyrics Are Pathetically Bad» Rick Beato
He know better than me. He is a musician and i am not. I dont listen contemporary lyrics anyway, they are not all bad for sure, but what is good enough is few waves in an ocean of bad to worst...
I will never dare to claim it because i am old, not a musician anyway, i listen classical old music and world music and Jazz...
And old very old lyrics from Franco-Flemish school to Léo Ferré and to the genius Bob Dylan Dylan...
Just write what you think about Beato informed opinion...
I like him because he spoke bluntly and is enthusiast musician ...
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@devinplombier , that's a big +1 (or more) for Texas Love Song! (In my opinion, for what little it's worth, that actually was an okay album. And Taupin's lyrics were the reason I followed Elton John back then.) |
Cosmo Sheldrake album is a good start... Nobody can replace Dylan or Cohen... But someone else different may come... This album i posted above of Cosmo Sheldrake is as good poetry than these 2 giants first album... Wait 30 years and we will see what Cosmo Sheldrake could do...
There is many others i dont know... My point is popular music nowadays is atrocious not by lack of geniuses in music but by the way the industry manufacture the public itself...and format any talent under his thumb...I will not give name because i dont want to hurt or provoke useless debate... It is called mind programmation and control... It is a science... If someone is not conscious of that he cannot understand anything around him...
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@mahgister your mention of Léo Ferré suggests an appreciation for French DJ Solaar and Serge Gainsbourg both penned some serious wordsmithing in that language and, of course, legend Jacques Brel |
My three favorite more powerful song ever written Are : Jacques Brel : "Ne me quitte pas" Léo Ferré : "Avec le temps"
Bob Dylan : "Murder most Foul"
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Some qualifiers are needed. While there are great lyrics in some modern songs, the change I notice is in lyrics of the popular / radio play / awarded music when comparing songs from the 60's and 70's to today's music. Lyrics are not given importance today, and honestly, the youth don't seem to care. My son says (and it is the position of his peers) that lyrics don't matter as much as the beat or the overall feel of the song. Worse, some of the lyrics of the music are disgusting. Music, like everything, goes through cycles. Perhaps one day, pop/popular songs will be lyrics-centric again. |
The disintegration of speech and language depth in lyrics is not a fact about "taste" but about mind conditioning in an uneducated controlled social fabric.. The mastery of language by song writer artist is a strong indicator of their mastery of music too. At least a genius musician can collaborate with a poet... The decline of the poetic content and value of music goes with a simplification of chords, harmony, and the reduction of musical time complexities to a mere beat... Music for robot is not a question of taste but a question about the social fabric inducing consumers habits.
Why do you think Joni Mitchell hated Madonna ? As a work of art hate manufactured product.
" Beat is not music, it is mind under control using bodies said my training G.I. sergeant; who himself never dance"-- Groucho Marx
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In Herman Hesse novel "the Glass bead game" there is a quote about a Chinese emperor ordering the music master to his throne to be punished because of the troubles in the Empire.
In Imperial China in the golden era the link between the harmony in the social fabric and the high state of the music were fundamental... This is not just an anecdote but pure science or pure experience...
Now put a bad music which appeal to the animal and violent part of men with disintegrating lyrics near water crystallisation process... Then try it with a christian monk and Buddhist monk prayers... Analyse the resulting water crystallisations...
Music and audio are not about taste but about our own acoustic and musical education... Poetry in music is not about mere taste it is also about good harmony and complex musical time...
Then music is not about leisure time merely but about a "felt change in consciousness"... |
I will never agree with such an over simplified statement, as I am an American Father who has raised a very well educated Son, and he is the one who educated me on this so called ’Rap Music’ whom some say it is not music at all and is of no relevancy whatsoever. You need to open your eyes (and ears). Within the last 3 to 6 months this ’kid’ has released about 2 to 3 albums worth of material that has rocked the music industry world, especially with his iconic ’They not like us’. This ’kid’ won a 2018’ Pulitzer Prize for MUSIC, for the song entitled DAMN - ’For distinguished musical composition by an American that has had its first performance or recording in the United States during the year,’ (The)Recording released on April 14, 2017, a virtuosic song collection unified by its vernacular authenticity and rhythmic dynamism that offers affecting vignettes capturing the complexity of modern African-American life. The above statements are good enough for me. Kendrick Lamar has also won grammys and the artist is scheduled to perform at the upcoming Super Bowl on February 3rd 2025, imagine that.
@mahgister , you’re my guy and you have taught me so much, but I disagree with you on the ’Beat’ thing. The one instrument that someone tried to teach me in a very formal ways were the Drums. The drum(s) has held an still holds too this day a very powerful position in music by holding down the beat. In the continent of Africa, no matter where you lived, or what tribe you came from, the drum (beat) was the most powerful piece of (mass) communication. It was said that when someone played the drum(s) they were ’Evoking The Gods’. And this MUSICAL tradition has lasted for thousands’ of years. To which has been passed down to many on the North and South American continents and continues, to this day. Even in ancient (Europe) Rome and Greece, and other European countries/cultures the examples drums were used to monitor the speed of the oars men and the drum was also used in the Military Application of displacements of fighting mens regiments. Not to mention for the Social and Cultural Impact in Religious and Sacred Ceremonies. Indeed, I have to say the Drum or Beat, is part of the fabric of humanity itself. |
As a listener, rhythm is extremely important to me. On a wider scale, the contribution that African culture has contributed in this regard to the world (and to my enjoyment of Jazz, Rock and Blues) is unquestionable and profound. However, for me, rhythm alone is not enough to hold my interest. Melody is even more important. And the colors and shifting tensions and resolutions provided by harmony please my ear enormously. The sophistication of melodic and harmonic elements, coupled with infectious rhythms, is what drew me from Rock into Jazz in the first place. The fact that Rap is the dominant genre, worldwide; that Rap is relevant; that Rap practitioners have garnered prestigious awards, have no impact on my response to Rap as a listener. There are other genres I find equally unengaging that can boast of their own particular attributes. As vibration, music acts upon us on a variety of levels/aspects, simultaneously. The left brain is only one of them. If this were not true, then the facts you list regarding Rap would ensure that I enjoyed the genre. Obviously, this is not the case; we also experience music physiologically and emotionally and our tastes are conditioned by still other factors, as well-- some that can be difficult to pin down. I’ve expressed my fondness for melody, so why don’t I enjoy every genre that has strong melodic content? We may try to justify our subjective preferences with objective rationales and they may hold up to a certain degree, but they do not tell the whole story.
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Where does it say that Rap music doesn’t have Melody or Melodies? The Rap that I’ve had the limited amount of time to listen to not only has melodies but very good musicians backing the artist, whether live or recorded. Key word - artist. Even in rap itself the phrase ’the beat(s)’ is actually a misnomer. In rap a beat is a construct of many different musical components designed to hold a groove. Whether it be a melodic ’love’ rap or a rap dance song, not just a (computer?) driven drum beat. Although rap is not a favorite of mine I have been fortunate enough to has enjoyed some of the ’club bangers’ as the kids have called them over the years of rappers music with music samples of some of the best music ever. I just had to respond to some of the absolutism or is it elitism here.
And about vibration(s)? I’ve already made lengthy responses to that subject, here on Audiogon. And Rick Beato, I wholeheartedly agree with you on him, I've responded to him once that I was not in agreement with some of his comments |
Do you know how many concepts are necessary to define rythm in music ? My point was not against the popular concept of beat or the musical one but against the mechanization of rythm and his simplification by an industry mechanizing our mind...
In the same way do you know how many concepts are necessary to define musical time ? The degradation of musical time in simplistic "beat" is a fact...
Now i attack no genre being "rap" or "heavy metal" or "pop" because there is great music in all these genre... My point is about an impoverishment across most genres... By the way rythm is the essence of music and the ground zero of music for reason linked to the gestural body, members and mouth.... my favorite music is African Yoruba speaking drum..... ( my favorite book about theoretical acoustics is written by a master of this instrument )
If we want to understand someone we must understand what he spoke about... I never intended to speak against rap or beat... ( there is plenty of great poetical texts in rap by the way ) But against their degradation by a process of manufacturation of the product and of the public which exist in almost all genres......
I dont attack musical taste, i claim that music has nothing to do with taste but with education of our taste...
I am not born with taste for some opo artist or for bach or for yoruba drum... I learned about myself discovering some ...
«My crocodile too had "good" taste»-- Groucho Marx
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The 60's & 70's gave us: Walter Becker & Donald Fagen - Leonard Cohen - Ray Davies - Bob Dylan - Joni Mitchell & Al Stewart. The 80's & 90's gave us: Lloyd Cole - Rodney Crowell - Matt Johnson (The The) - Paddy MacAloon (Prefab Sprout) - Morrissey (Smiths) & Paul Westerberg (Replacements). As for the 21st century, I'm hard pressed to think of anyone who deserves to be mentioned or compared to any of the above songwriters. |
To name some, Steve Earle and Lucinda Williams and Michael Timmins have continued to write lyrics in to the 21st Century. I don't listen to the radio much anymore, but I am sure that there are plenty of others. But maybe you are right. After all, what can compare to such great lyrics like those of The Bird Is The Word? |
"As for the 21st century, I'm hard pressed to think of anyone who deserves to be mentioned or compared to any of the above songwriters." Totally agree. Most of the best songwriters of the 21st century got started in the 20th century. Try to name a dozen great songwriters of today who are under 30,or even 40. I think most would be hard pressed to do so. I can go back to the 1960's > 1980's and just off the top of my head name dozens of songs that have become classics that people still listen to today. But I can't think of a truly memorable song that will become a classic that was written in the last 20 years by someone who wasn't around before that. As far as the next Dylan, Cohen, Simon, Van Morrison, Joni Mitchell, Robbie Robertson....I could go on and on.....there's no modern songwriter under 40 that's even close to that stature. Do a Google search for best songwriters of the 21st century. You'll get some lists and some forum discussions and 90% of the artists named will be in their 40s or older, many much older. Does this mean there are no decent modern songwriters? Of course not; but they're few and far between and even fewer of them would arguably deserve being called great.
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Maybe people who listen to the radio wouldn't listen to oldies stations if there was anything better on the new music stations. In your previous comment you mentioned Lucinda, Timmins, and Earle, but as great as the are they're all in their 60s. I don't think they're the ones we're talking about when we discuss modern songwriters. |
An era cannot be defined by his geniuses nor his geniuses can be explained by the era where they are born... I believe in a synchronisation between the genius and his era... Bob Dylan was made by his era and he contribute to his era make-off , they were synchronised...
It is well explained by Richard Tarnas in "Cosmos and Psyche" ...
Our era is an era of corporates control to a level never seen in human history, than education, medias, arts, are conditioned at birth and all along to satisfy "the owners" and we are not these owners... It is no surprize that for the last decades the spirit of the era was the mechanization of the minds... How can a poet sing against A.I. as Dylan did against vietnam and the Beatles ? Is there no motives to sing a rebel song now ? The social fabric has been pulverized to pieces. Protestations are now expressions of divisions and not a union against our masters ... Music, lyrics, cannot go where our mind did not go... They comply ... And a cry which cannot be heard is never launched... A cry can made a beautiful poetical moving lyric if it is not just a refusal cry but a cry of hope too... I dont see much hope ... We dont lack geniuses , in music or poetry, we lack the grip on our own destiny and in our social fabric... There is nowhere in history great works of art without a firm grip by man in his social fabric... Technocracy is not expression of a firm grip on the social fabric by the people but by very few and not to serve people but their own survival... |
Maybe. However, although I don’t listen to the radio much at all these days, going back a few (or even several) years when I did, but still in the 2000s, I remember that I thought that Brandi Carlile and Ryan Bingham and Josh Ritter and Justin Townes Earle were writing some good stuff. I realize that they are probably all in their 40s now (and I think Justin Earle would be in his 40s if he were still alive) but it is 2025 after all, meaning that they were probably in their 20s at the turn of the century. But still, it’s hard to compete with the likes of ". . . hang on Sloopy, Sloopy hang on . . .". |
Rodney Crowell's The Houston Kid is my favorite album so far this century. Buddy Miller is my favorite living musician/producer, Iris DeMent my favorite living songwriter. But there are plenty of others plowing the same field---great songs, great singing, great musicianship. This is in fact a golden age of great music, better imo than the 1960's. Sacrilege!
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@ezwind: You’re looking in the wrong places. Right here on Audiogon posters such as @slaw are making recommendations of great youg(er) artists. Steve has excellent musical taste, and really keeps up with new ones. I myself can heartily recommend Molly Tuttle and Billy Strings (both heard on Ringo Starr’s album out later this month), two young bluegrass artists. Then there are Jenny Lewis, Tift Merritt, Brennen Leigh, Courtney Barnett, and plenty of other new females. I seem to gravitate to the dames, but here’s a video of Chris Stapleton---a newish Country artist---performing a killer live version of the Rodney Crowell song "Ain’t Living Long Like This". Watch for the guitar solo by Buddy Miller, a solo that epitomizes cool! For contrast I’ll also post a video of Rodney performing the song live with Emmylou Harris (and a stupendous band), another great version.
https://youtu.be/pFTedYeP-vQ?si=M8TJtWiuGTvuyBMs
https://youtu.be/KnqBH7jLb0I?si=iDgVtgjD4UFb6RN7
And while Mary Gauthier and Gillian Welch are no spring chickens, they have a couple/few more good decades ahead of them. For more, head over to the No Depression website, the home of Americana music.
I just again listened to Rodney’s version, and was as always left in utter awe at the quality of the music being made. It just don’t get no better!
As for what the future holds, I figure I have about a decade left here on Earth, so it ain’t my problem.
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I listen mostly to darkwave and associated genres. While I can parse the words and the sequence appears to be grammatical (more or less), I can hardly ever figure out what he/she/they mean. Dada? Onomatopoetics? I don't know. I still like the music and mostly treat the vocals as another instrument. I also like music that have vocals in languages I don't understand (Turkish, Greek, Russian, Polish, ...). Frequently the songs sung in the artists native tongues sound more authentic than when they try English (e.g. Ductape). I am not bothered with not being able to understand the words, occasionally wonder whether I enjoy some rather controversial content; think Rammstein, which I understand as a German native speaker. I may be a bit lyrically tone-deaf as a hard-core scientist. OTOH I like writing, have 5 books with my name on the spine, and countless scientific papers. So I also have to read a lot, However, "literature" leaves me cold, poetry makes me mad. It is language that I find interesting, and language is there to convey meaning. Otherwise, why bother? I have asked some musicians to explain their lyrics, but that was not well received. How dare I pose such a question? With Punk at least you know exactly what you get. |
@bdp24 - I think we’re talking about two very different things. I’m aware of just about all the artists you mentioned and I do stay fairly up to date on the new young artists entering the scene. Like you, my tastes lean toward the catch-all Americana genres and there are certainly a lot of them who are very talented and who are putting out some excellent music. And yes, there are also plenty of "old-timers" who have been around for a long time and who continue to produce quality stuff. But of the younger group, many of whom are terrific artists, how many of them are writing consistently great songs with lyrics that are anywhere near as sophisticated and memorable as those by Dylan, Simon, Morrison, et al? For example, I really like Billy Strings a lot and he he’s written some fine songs, but has he come up with a Tom Thumb’s Blues or Rave on John Donne or Me & Julio? Do the young songwriters of today write stuff that you can listen to over and over again and find something new to appreciate every time? Maybe they are, but I haven’t heard them yet. |
These are four singer/songwriters/guitarist who have been doing it at a high level for decades: Dave Alvin, Janis Ian, Richard Thompson and Joan Armatrading. But let's talk Steely Dan. There's a video where Rick Beato talks about how the song "Aja" changed what he thought popular music could be. The man loves Steely Dan. There are numerous video where he gets deep into The Dan Universe. Becker/Fagen wrote some wonderful lyrics. Give a listen to "Pearl Of the Quarter", "Glamour Profession", "Cousin Dupree" or "Lunch With Gina". They were storytellers. "From the Bottom" has an detailed video of the bass playing on Fagen's "The Nightfly". If you're serious about the album, it's a must watch. |
Disclosure - I'm a 70 year old boomer and I'm becoming crotchety in my old age. Also, I'm a big fan of Beato and I've watched quite a few of his videos. He's a musical expert and he has interviewed many of my favorite musicians. I have SeriusXM in my car and when I'm on a longer drive I occasionally listen to the current POP station or Hip Hop or another station with new music. The lyrics of many of these songs, especially modern Hip Hop/R&B are absolutely horrible. They are venal, vulgar, misogynistic, and disgusting. Some are just banal but there is a pretty big subset of lyrics that were unimaginable 40 years ago. I drive along at 70n mph with my mouth agape hardly believing that I'm actually hearing what I'm hearing. If you have SeriusXM or a streaming service where you can play this current music I recommend that you break out of your bubble and listen to this stuff to get a sense of what young people are hearing. As Huey Lewis sang, "Sometimes bad is bad." |
The problem is this : "meaning" is conveyed in language not on an uni-lateral way but in a multi-polar way ...Meaning exist not on one level but is articulated on many levels, from phonology to pragmatic levels... Grounded in biology and in the body gestures rythms and vocal gestures rythms and tones are the poetical level of meaning... Then there is a syntaxical level in speech which has nothing to do with the concept of syntax in the formal language, because human speech syntax is not a "formal" machine even if it can be analysed formally as Chomsky did. ( Gustave Guillaume goes deeper here) At the top there is analogy which is irreducible to logic no more than metaphor... ( A.I. use statistical engines to decodes it not logic) The scientific prosaic meaning is a mere half part of language meaning...The most efficient part but not the only and more important meaningfulness...( try to imagine a world of robot communication to understand my point , human social fabric is not a hive )
What is poetry ? Not non sense as superficial look can put it, but deep meaning : " a felt change of consciousness" caused by the way we use words said Owen Barfield in "poetic diction".. Litterature is as powerful as equations. Why did Grothendieck used the metaphor"dessins d’enfants" to describe the mathematical concept of some schemes ? Because it speak more directly about the meaning intended and it convey the way the mathematician mind felt the change from the top of the geometrical iceberg draught by a child to his inside hidden depth. https://www.ams.org/notices/200307/what-is.pdf
The meaning of poetry even when i dont understand the Farsi language in a song for example is there anyway between sounds...I "understand" it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS065XPSCFc
My point was that poetry in popular music is as much important as music and part of it... If the language degenerate in a culture the rest degenerate, even if we had A.I. and especially if we had A.I.
When we speak badly or partially staying on one level instead of using language multidimensionality we think badly... There is a difference between a bad journaslist and a great poet or a great thinker, but a common point : linear annoying day to day prose.
«We never fall in love "in" prose»--Groucho Marx |
They just don't write great songs like this any more:
Well I met him on a Sunday (oooooo) |
"Sweet Little Sixteen" by Chuck Berry (1958) Oh and Chuck wrote a plethora of pedo type rock songs. But hey, you’ve got to have somebody to blame, right? "Run for Your Life" by the Beatles (1965) "Good Morning, Little School Girl" by the Grateful Dead (1967) ’Good morning little schoolgirl, can I come home with you? Tell your mama and your papa I’m a little schoolboy too - Come on now pretty baby I just can’t help myself. You’re so young and pretty I don’t need nobody else.’ "Young Girl" by Gary Puckett & the Union Gap (1968) "Brown Sugar" by The Rolling Stones - Do I really need to post the lyrics here? "Christine Sixteen" by Kiss (1977) Oh and let’s not forget about Ted Nugent. A guy who by his own admission said in a 1977 High Times magazine article that he faked symptoms (being unhygienic to appear mentally unfit) and used meth before his military physical to get out of serving. And to this day is a ’highly regarded’ rock & roller in many other ahem, "circles" of high regard. There’s a video of him and his daughters discussing his interactions with teen girls who were about the age of his girls when he was touring. And in a word Disgusting, indeed. "Jailbait" by Ted Nugent (1981)
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Language exist in social context... Muddy Waters wrote great lyrics we called blues classics ... but the same thing today said by an another voice with the same words will be ridiculous. Then what define good lyrics and bad one are not only the individual singer but the social context and specific era....And the microtonal accents of his vocal chords....The same text read by X will sound atrocious and read by Y marvellous...
Poetry lives also in time eras... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyjRslYlC3A
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As an aside, back in nineteen eighty and something I read Up And Down With The Rolling Stones (because the review in Playboy seemed interesting) which was theoretically authored by an "insider" and I remember the author claimed that Brown Sugar was referring to unrefined heroin. |
I had to do a google search because I’ve lost track of the years, but Justin Townes Earle’s first CD release was in 2008, and according to Wiki, he followed that with seven more. I admit that I haven’t heard everything that he did, but I listened to a public radio station that played his stuff and I thought that what I did hear was pretty good. And all of it from the 21st century. |
I here you Big Brother @mahgister, but this may surprise you. Today, Rap and (modern) R&B music is played not only on AM, FM internet (stations) streamers but also in different languages, all over the world. Rap and the so called (modern) R&B ain't going away. I come to audiogon with an open palette and try very hard not to be negative or combative in anyway. But sometimes...You gotta...Just, stand up...As Bob Marley would say. |
There is great music in rap or R&B but this genre are very difficult to do with musical mastery... Why ? Because they are as powerful than instinctually simple... It takes genius not ordinary musician and singer...Sorry... Who can rival Muddy Waters singing blues ? Not many singers... I am not a blues afficionado at all but i like Muddy Waters and John Lee Hooker and very very few others... I like them because they are great artist not because they sang blues... For me they are the blues in a way no other one can be...
Then there is geniuses in all genres... But i dont like most genres only few geniuses...
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'While some interpretations of the song would like to see it primarily as a celebration of a drug counterculture, any pretence the phrase “Brown Sugar” is other than a reference to a black woman falls away in the final lyric of the studio album.'
'This combination of sexual imagery and illicit drug references in the song’s lyrics contributes to the culturally transgressive place the Rolling Stones occupy in popular music history.' |
@mahgister, you are making my point for me. James Brown, himself used rap in his music, and in fact he was called ’Brother Rap’ in my community. Issac Hayes, used rap in his music, and also in fact he was called ’Ike The Rapper’ in, my community. The Jazz artist Gil Scott heron introduced to the world to the rap group The Last Poets who appeared on Gil Scott-Heron’s 1972 album .Black Spirits - Festival Of New Black Poets In America and in that album The Last Poets recorded "And See Her Image In The River" and "Song of Ditla, part II" live at the Apollo Theatre in Harlem, New York for the album. Rap music, just like some parts of Jazz, comes from a community in the early ’50’s or even earlier maybe, as the correct date is not known. But it came about because young people wanted a place to just ’Hangout’ as it were. All you had to have was a nickel (5¢) to get a cup of coffee and some cigarettes to sit in little ’Hip’ cafe and socialize. That’s it. Folks would recite poetry with or without a band. As they (we) still do to this day. @mahgister I’m trying not to be rude. This rap stuff is a long part of my history, culture and community and I think I may know more about it than you do. And it gets a little frustrating, at times when someone who’s not of my culture, speaks as if they know more about Rap than I do, and doesn’t even listen to the music genre, and writes and speaks about Rap, as if they do! No offense here, I’m just trying to exchange knowledge of a music idiom that I have a familiarity with, in a positive way of course, that’s all. The reason why rap music can be so raunchy at times is because it has always been apart of the ’culture’. For gosh sakes! Has anyone ever listened to Ma Rainey or Bessie Smith! And they had a backing band too!
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I get it . NOT a statement about my feelings on Rap one way or the other, but there is a big difference (in my book, anyway) between lyrics with “raunchy” sexuality, usually by way of innuendo or double entendre and lyrics that demean and debase by way of raunchiness, misogyny and/or suggestions of violence. The latter is the Rap that I can do without. |
Now of course there was ’gangster rap’ that emerged in the 70’s but from that came the ’Neo Soul’ movement which was a subset of (gangster) rap which got it’s start in the mid 80’s. In this particular genre those young kids brought back the cafe style of rap as a softer form of rap where poetry, books, coffee and wine was shared amongst like minded folks. They even had a snap your finger technique they would do after each person’s rap of poetry. And yes, sometimes it was with backing bands and sometime it was not. You never hear about that subset of rap because it didn’t make the evening news. Nevertheless, it was massively important to the community because it brought us these young musicians and for a short time there was a New York city based form of rap called ’New Jack Swing’. And out of the out of the ’New Jack Swing’ era we got a type of music that these new artist called ’Neo Soul’. And this movement gave us artist such as: Erykah Badu D’Angelo Lauryn Hill Floetry Jill Scott The Fugees And many, many others. Was this Rap persay? Yes, because they not only rapped but sang too. It was all connected and this was the first time musicians played live and studio sessions with instruments over recorded music ’samples’ or what some call ’beats’ today. Rap has evolved just like any thing else, and it’s a shame that only the bad things are remembered, by some. And I will admit that some of this so called rap music that some put out is straight garbage. But I will not let an entire genre of music music be categorized, judged and generalized by some of that garbage. |
No offence! You are right and knowledgeable more than me about Rap meanings and history... My point is about the mechanization of music , musicians and the public... The point made by Beato... There is genius poets in jazz music and songs as there is in all genre rap included...Even nowadays for sure... My point stemming from Beato video is about mechanisation and manufacturing of lyrics and music ... I had my taste but i am not deaf... I did not like blues for example till i listen Hooker and Waters and few others... There is genius everywhere... But there is also by the industry growing monster a mechanization of mind and public... And this mechanization reach a point of great power over artists and public molding their minds in the last 30 years...
It is my opinion but i am not an informed musician...
We need frogman ...
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I won't argue with that; I was only remembering what someone who was theoretically an "insider" stated in a book. |
@8th-note , you've got five years on me, but how did your dad feel about Dylan and The Beatles? I remember that my dad did not like either of them--not at all. |
