When you know science and reason has lost the war is when you have people claiming that those who want to see evidence to support observation is considered on par with Qanon nuts and subjective claims are considered the gold standard. I think it's the other way around, extraordinary claims of supernatural hearing abiity are like those who claim they've seen aliens from distant galaxies and don't ask for evidence to support their visual accuracy or you're a conspiracy theory crackpot.
The secret to a great amplifier...
Is a $150 Orange fuse from Synergistic Research. Seriously, extreme boost in sonic performance. Blacker background, larger soundstage... if I wanted to make some bucks, I’d put these is cheap OEM compnents and start letting the accolades and purchasers come calling.
Mind you, I have a high value-oriented $20k system, so it was nice before, but damn!
Mind you, I have a high value-oriented $20k system, so it was nice before, but damn!
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millercarbon:"
Tim, they come with a full 30 day return guarantee. Hardly any get returned because they work so well. As redwoodaudio notes the improvement is not subtle. Its roughly equivalent to a good $500 power cord, interconnect, etc." Thanks, millercarbon, a 30 day guarantee makes all the difference to someone like me, who tosses out nickels like manhole covers. I also retract my skeptical comments and I'm climbing out of this QAnon subreddit black hole as I'm typing this. I'm really glad to be getting outta that weird hole, it's like an alternative universe down there. Everybody wears MAGA something and they all use their hands to help them talk out of their posteriors. Tim |
Bruno Putzeys and Lars Risbo brainstorming when they were designing the purifi amp and they came to a point when they realized their amp.. well just wasn’t very good, mediocre at best, Bruno had a light bulb moment and said "I know what would make this amp great! An Orange fuse! ", Lars slapped him on the back and said damn Bruno you saved our azz on this one.This is just pure gold, and is the way fusers think. I just hope the gullible aren’t stupid enough to believe it. Cheers George |
I don’t know about this orange fuse but it seems like the commie fuse like to suppress the highs and the lows and make everything more average. That easier to control and much better fit this type of power supply that runs on corrupt energy, looking to consolidate resources. These fuses work really well in the sander amp- is a real bum and this amp never work a day in it’s life but just stir up negative energy and try to redistribute it to the speaker. I guess I just don’t understand these fuses. |
The secret to a great amp...is the fuse. When you bought the amp was it mediocre? I can see Bruno Putzeys and Lars Risbo brainstorming when they were designing the purifi amp and they came to a point when they realized their amp.. well just wasn't very good, mediocre at best, Bruno had a light bulb moment and said "I know what would make this amp great! An Orange fuse! ", Lars slapped him on the back and said damn Bruno you saved our azz on this one. |
Stick a fuse, any fuse, in a crappy amp then come back and tell us the amp is now great. ..... That’s exactly what the OP is pitching. if I wanted to make some bucks, I’d put these is cheap OEM compnents and start letting the accolades and purchasers come calling. |
Tim, they come with a full 30 day return guarantee. Hardly any get returned because they work so well. As redwoodaudio notes the improvement is not subtle. Its roughly equivalent to a good $500 power cord, interconnect, etc. Redwoodaudio, You will enjoy the eMats. Very similar improvement to what you hear with the Orange fuses, only even more smooth and natural. Not the kind of thing that hits you over the head, more you notice many things sound much more real. Try them different places. They seem to work best near powerful fields. They can be cut up into strips and wrapped around outlets inside the box, or around speaker magnets, or even speaker cables and power cords. I have them practically lining the insides of my conditioner and step-down transformer boxes, and wrapped around most of my cables. I'm surprised ten HFT did nothing. Mine went up one at a time or in pairs, and it was easy to hear not only the improvement each one made but to fine tune it by moving them slightly one way or another. One time I tried one where I thought it would be good, but it actually made the sound worse. Never had one where it made no difference at all. |
Tweaks that I've liked: SR Orange fuses (not subtle) Highend Novum PMR resonator (subtle) Tweak Geek Stealth passive conditioner (used, subtle) DNM cables XLR x 2 + speaker cables(subtle) Tweaks that did nothing for me: BDR cones under preamp and amp SR FEQ + HFTs (10) I'm lucky enough to be able to afford to try these things. At this point, I have two more tweaks on the way: PPT omega emats High Fidelity Cables MC-1 pro |
glupson6,527 posts11-03-2020 8:56pmmillercarbon, How is life in your galaxy? Troubled, it seems. Whatever it is, do not hold your breath. You know it feels bad, don't you? Why do these trolls keep contaminating this site with their bilge ? They have been requested to desist, yet they keep on wanting to show their ignorance |
I believe the folks who don't like fuses should not worry about this post. While you are at it forget about after-stock power cords, interconnects, vibration control devices, speaker cables, etc. Get some lamp wire from Lowes and connect your system and use the stock power cords that came with your components, doesn't matter. |
perkri:"
After the 4th, no one will be talking about Orange anymore... " Hello perkri, Ha! Very clever, but it now looks like there are still millions of votes left to count, However, you're still my huckleberry. isochronism:" So ... orange fuse bad?? HA " Hello isochronism, I 'm absolutely certain I'm not fond of orange Presidents. But I currently lack the required negative knowledge and experience of orange fuses that I, unfortunately, do have with orange Presidents! However, I do agree with you, I have no current reasons to doubt redwoodaudio's positive experiences with these orange fuse replacements, either. I also recall other threads touting the benefits of various alternative brand fuse replacements on sound quality in the past, however, that were not completely validated by thread posters that had bought and tried them . I remain agnostic on these prospective fuse upgrades only because I've never actually tried any of them and, therefore, have no firsthand experience, knowledge or relevant advice. Of course, I could just buy a couple orange fuses and give them a try. But I also know if I do, and I perceive no significant sq improvement and can't return them for a refund, that I'd feel like I just bought some snake oil. This is the main issue I want to avoid due to my belief in the latin term 'caveat emptor', which translates to 'buyer beware'. I also realize I'd be less annoyed by losing the $300 than being swindled on a potential snake oil scheme, possibly orchestrated by redwoodaudio along with the possible assistance of others. This would be far more irritating to me than losing the $300. I want to be clear, however, that I'm not actually accusing redwoodaudio of anything at this point. I believe he still deserves the benefit of the doubt, pending any future evidence to the contrary, that he is being sincere about his praise of the orange fuses and has no ulterior motives. Overall, I've decided to remain agnostic on the potential sound quality benefits of the orange or any other brand of replacement fuses until I can personally verify the claimed sound quality improvements. While I could easily just buy a couple and give them a try, I'm not going to do it, based on general principles and the knowledge that that's exactly the sentiment or urge that I suspect snake oil purveyors rely on individuals relenting to. You guys all respect firmly adhering to important principles, right? Just like requiring, insisting and ensuring that all legitimate votes are counted in a Presidential election, even if it takes a bit longer, before declaring the results in a democracy, right? Tim |
This is a good example of the saying "no good deed goes unpunished". This is not the first time positive finding's are reported here with the installation of special fuses. I myself have no reason to question the member's good findings and experience, , plus I further appreciate redwoodaudio's sharing of this tweek! |
I'm really not trying to convince or persuade anyone. Just letting those of you who are interested know, in slightly cheeky way, of my experience with these fuses. I'm not special. But I needed to hear this from others a few times before I could take the leap. And I'm glad I did. I don't care if you do or don't want to try it. But if you do, it's fun. |
One needn't spend $160 on a fuse to get better results. Why is it that naysayers always base their premises on esoteric prices when a fuse at 1/3 the cost will have an effect? You can spend even less and still hear a difference. Also, why is it that there's always a flock, group, gaggle or pod of newcomers that stirs this subject up and thinks themselves to be oh, so, relevant and witty, as if this decades old subject weren't already debated and laid to rest? All the best, Nonoise |
From what I can tell, most engineers would call it confirmation bias, but a they would allow on the off chance that the changing the fuse did anything, that it was a factor of cleaning contacts or reseating the fuse and that is all I have ever seen attributed. Let's say I have two fuses. One is lower resistance, one is higher resistance. Which of those fuses will result in more high frequency noise and ripple in the power supply? |
@tubebuffer - Let's plug those $160 fuses into some stock Chinese OEM DACs, put a fancy audio brand name on it, market it as the marvelous new "giant-killer" to Thomas & Stereo on YouTube and make some serious $$$. I've got a decent job as it is right now, but were I more of an entrepeneur and slightly less ethical, i'd be all over it. |
Right. The signal path is not what we think it is. If it was then power conditioners, and even power supplies, would not matter. Heck even speaker cabinets would be irrelevant. Hard to get more outside the signal path than a speaker cabinet. Then again, maybe not. The room is even further outside the signal path. Yet there are people who say the room is the most important component. One thing we can say for sure, anyone who says a fuse can’t matter because its outside the signal path, or whatever, when all these other things do, well they have at the very least not given the subject much thought. |
Unicorns and fairies.....what a pertinent analogy, and typical of a naysayer. These same engineers say that the fuse cannot impact the sound but that correct orientation of the fuse in the holder can affect the sound. Well, which is it? If all it is is a sacrificial device and it's placement in the design of the amp doesn't matter, why does the fuse holder not having that exact grip on the fuse matter? How can a speck or mote of anything on the fuse end cap make a difference if for the same reasons a fuse can't? I would contend that a fuse made of highly conductive metals, on the order of what you'd find in a cable or trace, would have more effect than the god awful, non conductive metals used in a bog standard fuse, and that that would account for a greater difference in what possibly couldn't affect the sound whereas that speck or mote of dust would. Why does using a solid bar of copper result in better sound? Don't do it, but many have tried it and reported back about it for decades. Why do amp designers go to all the trouble of designing a great sounding amp, only to have to add the fuse element afterwards, as an after thought, and find the amp to not sound as good as before? With all those E.E. degrees comes a lot of conventional wisdom about the role of the fuse, but not the possibility of it's contribution to the sound, since it's role is that of a sacrificial one. To do so in such a blithely ignorant manner without trying it for oneself, to see if a difference can be heard, is an insult to the first and greatest scientific method: direct observation. All the best, Nonoise |
