Did Carole King write all those songs you listed?? I knew she’s awesome but if so, that’s truly amazing!
The greatest Pop song yet written and recorded.
This thread is an offshoot and was inspired by @mahgister’s wonderful thread "Interesting videos about sounds and music." I made a couple of contributions to that thread, recommending a video recorded quite a few years ago by (I believe) a music teacher, who sits at his keyboard while explaining and demonstrating the construction of the utterly majestic "God Only Knows", written by Brian Wilson (music) and Tony Asher (lyrics), recorded by The Beach Boys (vocals) and the L.A. studio musicians who comprised the legendary Wrecking Crew (instruments), the song found on the Pet Sounds album.
In my posts, I made the case for the highly sophisticated and incredibly brilliant chord progressions, modulations (key changes), and use of inversion (playing a bass note below the tonic of the chord being played on the piano) in the song’s composition. So when the video below appeared when I just jumped onto YouTube, it’s title really caught my eye. It is entitled "Exploring The Mythical Chords Of "God Only Knows"." Brian is well known for his harmony vocal arrangements, but that’s just the icing on the cake; the song itself is in it’s chords and melody. Some of the chord sequences in "God Only Knows" bring me to tears. Add to that the vocal harmonies---many sung in counterpoint---and Carl Wilson's angelic singing of the melody, and you have an absolute masterpiece of a song.
I have long considered "God Only Knows" my favorite song, and imo the "best" song ever written. I’m not alone in that; Paul McCartney has stated he feels the same. I could have added this video to @mahgister’s thread, but I believe the song and it’s appreciation warrant it’s own thread. Watch and listen to this video (and the one I posted in mahgister’s thread), give the song a new listen, and see if you don’t agree with Paul and I. 😉
https://youtu.be/I2PHOt9_fGc?si=7NVfhFUBn4aw_GGo
@jonwolfpell it was @tylermunns who took the time to post that list, but i believe ck wrote all of those songs, mostly with gerry goffin (who also wrote giant hits for diana ross, gladys knight, etc. without her). add in ck's "tapestry" songs plus all the unlisted classics and she's on a par with john/paul and and dylan as the GOAT. |
the Association " Windy " the Go Go's " Vacation " the Temptations " Heard it Thru the Grapevine " the Drifters " Under the Boardwalk " ( also by Rickie Lee Jones ) the Bangles " Walk Like an Egyptian " Cyrkle " Red Rubber Ball " any or all of these songs make me want to sing and move ( I wouldn't say dance ) I think Pop songs have to be simple , not multiple layers of over dubbing or orchestra addons but that's just me . |
@rpeluso, I immediately caught the subjective pronoun being used as an object of a preposition too. You and @bdp24 might appreciate this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc Back to the thread's topic: Call it heresy for not citing a classic rock song, but a current favorite songwriter of mine put out a song about six years ago that I think is pop music genius; I consider it his magnum opus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKrSYgirAhc
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years ago i posted a thread which posited that "five o'clock world" by the vogues was the greatest pop song ever created. it's certainly the greatest to feature yodeling. i'd also throw in neil young's "expecting to fly", which i never tire of. amazing arrangement outdoes anything phil spector ever did. |
@jonwolfpell Indeed, Carol King wrote all those songs. Randy Newman’s body of songs in the ‘60s is the same way. |
BTW as a footnote to the above, "White Christmas" as sung by Crosby is the biggest selling single of all time according to Guinness. More interesting is that it was written by irving Berlin who is Jewish and did not celebrate Christmas per se and the talk show host who went on and on about it back when was Alan Berg...
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Thanks to whoever brought us the Father John Mundy song. I liked it a lot and want to listen to it, and some others, when I’m less busy than I am right now. What a wonderful list we have contributed to here. It’s hard for me to pick a favorite song of all time, but previous posters have hit on a number of the ones I have thought of as "favorite" over the years (I don’t go for "best"). "Will You Love Me Tomorrow" is an early, pre-pubescent favorite by the Shirelles. I knew something lay ahead in the attraction/love department when I got a little older, and that song prepared me for the fact that it—whatever it was—mightn’t always go so well. The melody and the girls’ voices, well, I became a girl group fan whenever I started hearing that song, probably in 1963 on the Scott Muni show (77 WABC-AM). Then came two of my other favorites, "Be My Baby" and "Then He Kissed Me," Phil Spector productions by the Ronettes and the Crystals. Courtesy of You Tube and my hard drives filled with songs, I still listen regularly to those two, as well as all of the songs I’m listing here. Someone mentioned the Beach Boys having been declared uncool. I bought into that idea as an incipient hippie in 1966, and ended up not buying Pet Sounds until it was rereleased in 1974 on Brother Records (I had started my album collection with Surfer Girl and Surfin’ USA, and had bought every subsequent Beach Boys LP and 45). And I knew nothing of Smile until I bought the Good Vibrations box set in 1993. I had the singles that came from those albums, and have thought of "Heroes and Villains" as a favorite song of all time many a year. I like "You Still Believe in Me" more than I like "God Only Knows" from Pet Sounds. Each time they sing "cry-y-y-y-y" with sixteen y’s is the clearest summons to musical nirvana I know of. Except when it’s the bum-de-bum-bum drum starting "Be My Baby." Or the horn and drum swirl that brings us to our feet as it opens Martha and the Vandella’s "Dancing in the Street." Someone mentioned Cat Stevens. I liked him, though not as much as I’ve liked other artists. The song that sticks with me is "How Can I Tell You?", which someone used to play at me, hoping it would get me to fall in love with him. But it’s a beautiful song. So many more: haven’t even touched Carly Simon ("You’re So Vain") or Linda Ronstadt, my all-time favorite singer ("Long, Long Time"). Or Joni Mitchell ("Rainy Night House"). Or Warren Zevon, especially "Desperados under the Eaves" from his first album. Oh, and I always liked "12:30 (Young Girls Are Coming to the Canyon)" more than "California Dreaming." It’s what I’m going to listen to next, when I’m done with "How Can I Tell You?" The first line always gets me these days, as I used to live in New York City, and out my windows, I had a view of the Con Ed clock (which was not stuck at 12:30, but still). |
When I think of the Best Pop Song ever written and recorded, I think of what song that will make a lasting impression on people of all ages, race and religion, and it must be a song can be sung universally. In my opinion, there is only one song that can do this, and that song is "Hey Jude" by the Beatles. |
Lot's of great songs mentioned here. I think I want to make a play list! Many of the songs mentioned are ground breaking but pretty old. IMO pop began in the '50s and has been evolving since then. I think to get to the greatest pop song one has to look later in the evolution. MJ's Billie Jean or Thriller or something from Prince reflects the evolution. Cheers |
roccity, I might suggest Goodbye Mister Blue from Father John Misty as his magnum opus. Of course it's a matter that is personal. Or of taste. Or of preference. Or life experience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DdUQ7kY4Ec As a wise person said, there is no accounting for taste. But in all honesty this is a fantastic composition. Definitely. |
jay15206, how about this version of that wonderful Zevon song? I think it's marvelous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJQ4E5l8tEk
And I love 12:30, too. My favorite Cat Stevens might be Sad Lisa.
Oh, and what about "He's A Rebel"! Written by Gene Pitney, but made famous by The Crystals?! |
Now that I have had some time to think about it. Here are a few fabulous pop songs. To me, "pop songs" are light, bouncy and really have nothing dramatic to say. "A,B,C" The Jackson 5 "Mama Mia" ABBA "Dancing Queen" ABBA "Eight Days a Week" The Beatles "(Marie's The Name) His Latest Flame" Elvis Presley "Shake It Off" Taylor Swift "Can’t Get You Out of My Head" Kylie Minogue "B-A-B-Y" Rachel Sweet
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Thank you, rpeluso, for the Madeleine Peyroux "Desperados." She does it right. I imagine you've heard her version of Leonard Cohen's "Dance Me to the End of Love" (perhaps a good choice, perhaps a bad, on Rosh Hashanah). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REmk1EaaIzo And yes, I love "He's a Rebel." "Da Doo Ron Ron" as well. By chance, do you have a relative named Marlene. - jay15206 p.s. I like "Hey, Jude." |
@teboerio I feel compelled to note that Glen Campbell’s 1970 version of Jimmy Webb’s masterpiece “MacArthur Park” is hard to beat. |
@noromance Carol was the music, Gerry was the lyrics. |
One of my very favorite early-60’s songs/records is "On Broadway", sung by The Drifters, written by Carole King and Gerry Goffin’s Brill Building songwriting team competition: Cynthia Weil and Barry Mann. The song/recording is very haunting, and hearing it never fails to "return me to" the time of it’s release. I remember hearing it coming out of the transistor radio under my pillow at night. 😊 By the way, playing the guitar solo in the song is none other than Phil Spector!
@loomisjohnson: Speaking of Phil Spector, you may know he didn’t write the orchestra charts for his recordings/productions, that was done by his arranger Jack Nitzsche. Guess who wrote the orchestral/string arrangement for "Expecting To Fly", and produced the whole recording? Jack Nitzsche. Jack in one reason Neil’s Harvest album is as good as it is, as well as the 1971 s/t Crazy Horse album, produced by Jack and Bruce Botnick.
@tylermunns: I absolutely loved Bobby Vee’s recording of "Take Good Care Of My Baby" and "Go Away Little Girl" by Steve Lawrence. I had them on 45 RPM singles back then, and still do. That’s one reason I could never own only a Linn Sondek. 😉
I can’t tell you what a pleasure it is to be surrounded by fellow song and songwriter lovers! I’m tempted to start a thread dedicated to a related topic: Power Pop. That idea came to me after listening to the one Fastball album I own, which opens with a killer Power Pop song: "The Way".
Has anyone else heard "One Hit Wonders Of The World Unite" by the Canadian group Badger? Here ’tis, but be forewarned: the sound quality is terrible.
bahttps://youtu.be/yjfqmK_xPPI?si=JIyIG-rJc162izNknd
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Phil Spector’s vision was original. He was a producer, not an arranger/transcriber. |
The greatest pop song written and recorded .... Lots of interesting opinions here - but I think the answer to this question was not even mentioned ! (Unless I missed it in this lengthy thread ! )..... The greatest pop song one could argue is the song that has remained on the top 40 charts the longest - meaning it resonated with the largest group of music fans. It is: "All I Want for Christmas Is You" by Mariah Carey. It holds the record for the most weeks in the Top 40 history with 86 weeks. 86 weeks !!! FYI - she has also earned more than $50 million in royalties for this single song. And no matter your age, religion, or musical taste, the song is a pop masterpiece.
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@tylermunns: A songwriter/bandmate and I discovered Randy Newman’s first album through Van Dyke Parks and Brian Wilson. Because of Van’s work with Brian on the Smile recordings (I discovered the Smiley Smile album in early-’68, and turned him on to it. He became as obsessed with it as I), we got his debut album (Song Cycle, an amazing piece of work) as soon as we learned of it (it was released in late-’67). Listening to Song Cycle on acid is an experience unlike any other. 😉 Song Cycle opens with "Vine Street", a song credited on the album’s back cover to R. Newman (he is credited with the arrangement as well), and a little investigation revealed the R to be Randy. Van performs "Vine Street" in a somewhat surrealistic manner, so I didn’t know what to expect when I got Randy’s 1968 s/t debut album (it was released with two different covers; I of course have both 😉). The album credits production to Van Dyke Parks and Lenny Waronker, so getting it was a no-brainer. The album was engineered by Lee Herschberg, so it sounds great. What a breathe of fresh air! In the midst of psychedelic horsesh*t, power trios (with which I was growing tired), and album side-long jams, here was an album of superb two and three minute long songs, recorded not with a Rock band, but an orchestra. Randy’s vocal abilities were obviously limited, but his delivery served the songs well enough. I became a life-long fan, though I wasn’t happy when he hired the members of Toto to record with him. I have his entire catalogue, Good Old Boys being a particular favorite. It was through Randy’s albums that I first became aware of Jim Keltner, Randy’s preferred drummer (he is also on Maria Muldaur’s 1973 solo debut, another favorite album of mine). |
My original US copy of Song Cycle is one of my more cherished records. |
@tylermunns: Does your copy of the Song Cycle LP have the beautiful gold Warner Brothers center paper label? Both my copies (one has the rear cover with lyrics, the other without them but full musician credits) have the later ugly green WB label. I’ve been looking for a gold label copy in Mint condition for a few years now, to no avail. I’m a patient guy. 😉 The LP was reissued by somebody a few years ago. I have the Speakers Corner Records reissue of Nilsson Sings Newman, but haven’t gotten around to listening to it yet. Thanks for the reminder. |
Even though I'm in the "classic vinyl' age group with the majority of posters on this thread, I'm going to go a little more recent and say Michael Morales "Who Do You Give Your Love To?", and Thomas Dolby's "She Blinded Me With Science" both stand the test of a little less time. Back in my becoming an audiophile days, "Baby, Now That I Found You" by the Foundations, and "Red Rubber Ball" by The Cyrkle always made me reach for the volume knob. In the surf genre, "New York's a Lonely Town" by The Trade Winds gets a nod as well. I've had to give a thumbs up to pretty much every tune listed on this thread so far. We got to grow up during a time when music itself was growing up. Being able to say, "I remember when that song came out on the AM radio" puts us in an especially privileged group of music lovers, because in those pre MTV days, the AM radio station DJ's were ultimately the ones who decided which songs were hits. Air time was expensive, and they wouldn't waste it on songs that didn't have what it took to stay on the charts, or even songs that ran over a certain time limit. When Phil Spector produced The Righteous Brothers "You've Lost That Loving Feeling", a song that ran almost four minutes, he knew it was a chart topper. He also knew that most stations wouldn't play a song that long, so he deliberately misprinted the label time as 3:05 to make sure it got the air time it deserved. By the time the DJ's figured out the scam, it was too big of a hit to stop playing it. That's always been one of my favorite stories from the halcyon days of rock music. I'm glad I got to be a part of that special era.
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@roxy54, both of those songs are standouts, two I often sing in my head. Just wonderful songs. |
In the words of the Highlander "There can be only one". Written by Mick at the tender age of 25, the song is as powerful today as ever. There are plenty of pretty pop songs, and then there is the one that towers above them all IMHO 🤣 Please allow me to introduce myself And I was 'round when Jesus Christ Pleased to meet you Stuck around St. Petersburg I rode a tank Pleased to meet you I watched with glee I shouted out Let me please introduce myself Pleased to meet you Pleased to meet you Just as every cop is a criminal So if you meet me Pleased to meet you Woo, who Tell me baby, what's my name? What's my name |
I have to ask you this What is a Pop song ? I'm seeing all kinds of music being listed as Pop songs , I wouldn't consider the Beach Boys " Only God Knows " as Pop or John Lennon's " Imagine " or Jefferson Airplane's " Comin Back to Me " , but " Walk Away Renee " ( I like Rickie Lee Jones version ) maybe all of what ABBA did or Diana Ross and the Supremes or all the Beach Boys surfer songs or all the Beatles up to Revolver is the type of music that I would think of as Pop . Am I way off base with my categorization ?
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@vair68robert - Good question - I think your categorization is perfectly correct for you - take a category and put in what you think belongs there, and nobody should tell you you are wrong. 'Pop' is just short for 'Popular' and all kinds of music can be so considered by somebody. That's why I think the 'Rock and Roll Hall of Fame', if such a thing should even exist, with everything that is in it, should be renamed the 'Pop Music Hall of Fame' - that would cover it all, I should think. |
vair68robert, I used to consider everything I listened to as "rock," which was where it was located in the record store bins. Along came the internet, and the Steve Hoffman forum, where I was informed that most of my favorites (the Beach Boys, Linda Ronstadt, Motown, the girl groups) were actually considered "pop." I was alright with that, as I’d never listened much to the one-word-name groups, or any hair metal, or hard metal, or John Mayall, or pre-Lindsey and Stevie FM. Except for Satanic Majesties and Let It Bleed, I don’t even like post-Between the Buttons Stones. So I’ve continued to hie to that definition, as long as we’re talking about the pop music of our generation. (Begone, Shawn Mendes, Barefoots, Britney, Taylor Swift, etc.) But if you want to go back to calling it all "rock," I have no problem with that. P.S. The only version of "Walk Away, Renee" I like is the original. |