Speakers with warm treble and good bass

Do give the Harbeth Super HL5 Plus a listen. These are the leanest, fastest and most dynamic speaker in the Harbeth line, in my opinion. If they are not warm enough for you, you may try the Compact 7ES3, a slightly smaller speaker than the SHL5+.

Your Rogue is not too heavy to lug to the dealer... You might consider listening to the Harbeths with that.

Alright there is a lot to respond to here.  First, I'll answer some of the questions that have been asked:

--Room Treatments
I am using acoustic panels from ATS Acoustics.  I have a total of 8 of them spread on the walls.  First reflection points have been taken into account.  

--Tubes in my Rouge
I have a range of tubes, but have been mainly using my Mullard new production EL34s for power.  For the input tube, I recently purchased a NOS Mullard CV4003 which is an excellent tube, best one I've found yet.  I've also tried the Brimar 12AU7, and another Mullard NOS 12AU7.  Other power tubes include Gold Lion KT 88 (good bass, good all-rounder tube), Tung Sol Kt 120 (not a fan, a bit too forward and aggressive), TAD KT88 (nothing special), SED Winged-C 6550 

--Soft dome vs. Metal Dome
I would tend to agree that in general, my ears agree more with soft dome tweeters.  However, the only exception to that rule that I have witnessed has been on the Totem speakers I auditioned.  They seemed very analytical to me.  Not bright and harsh like metal domes can tend to be, but it was still an uneasy sound IMO.

--My Spatial Audio M3 Turbo S
I've had the replacement pair for a week now, and have about 100 hours on them.  I am still not enjoying the sound.  They do several things very well, but I still get a certain aggressiveness from them.  It's possible that the high noise floor of the Rouge amp combined with the high sensitivity of the M3s is allowing some electrical noise to be amplified much greater than it would be in less efficient speakers.  Either way, it translates to a sound that my ears simply cannot settle into.  I am not going to start chasing my tail again on the amp search either.  

Next, I compiled a list of most of the speakers mentioned in the thread here.  Some have been omitted due to price, or other factors.  There are so many speakers here to try, but unfortunately the selection I have to listen to here in the Pittsburgh area is fairly limited.  That means it's all about taking the gamble and incurring more loss if things don't work out.  I am checking out my dealer this upcoming Saturday.  He does have Harbeth in stock, which I am curious to hear.  My main concern with those is the bass.  I've heard B&W before, and they weren't really my cup of tea; a bit too analytical.  I've also spent considerable time with a pair of Dali IKON 6.  My ears tend to have issues with ribbon tweeters.  I think it may be electrical noise that is reproduced too well by them.  They were pleasant speakers overall, but IMO leaned towards the analytical side.

--Monitor Audio
--Aerial Acoustics
----10t
--Dynaudio
--Harbeth
--Spendor
----S8e
--Soliloquy
--Vienna Acoustics
--Sonus Faber
----Liuto
--Rega
**--Proac
--PMC
--Alon Lotus SE
--Dali
--Avalon Acoustics Eidolon
--Tannoy
--Acoustic Energy AE109
--B&W
--Thiel

Gamut M5 or M7. Best musical satisfying sound I ever experienced. I had owned 70% of the suggestion here.
Regards 

I own a pair of Vienna Acoustics Mahlers. They have the sound you are looking for. Dual 10" woofers on each speaker as well as two 7" mids and a 1.2" tweeter. You can find these used for good prices,but beware, the wood veneers tend to fade. Mine are gloss black and have not faded a bit. I am running a McIntosh MC452 amp, C52 preamp and a MPC1500 power conditioner. Sound is liquid smooth and has tremendous bass. No need for a sub here.  These were $13,000.00 new.
I have seen them for sale here for around $4500.00. 
if you can find a pair to listen to, I think you will love them.  They weigh something like 160 pounds each. 4 ohm, 91dB.  Big speaker. My room is 14' x 17' and they sound awesome, but will perform in a much bigger room too.  

Give your Spatial Audio M3 Turbos a chance to break in and see what you think. I have the M3s (non-turbo) and have not had any listener fatigue whatsoever. I sold my Klipschorns after 17 years because of treble harshness that was causing fatigue, and bought the M3s after listening to most of the speakers you list and more. And to get the best of all worlds, I added a pair of Goldenear Forcefield 4 subs. Goldenear bass is sublime, and they've been a perfect match for the M3s, which have a warm, musical bass of their own. 

Jwglista,

Find a pair of Spendor S8e speakers and don't look back.

Hi good question based on what you have tried . I have a friend that is a former Rogue, Modwright, Acoustic Zen , Dahli dealer. He also had many more brands . He has multiple systems in his home and office , including a dedicated room for listening as well as a dedicated room to house equipment with its own power panel . He too favors Rogue equipment . One of his systems contains the updated Rogue Mono blocs and their top pre amp . He has  the Adagio's in custom burl walnut and Acoustic Zens best cables . Also in the rotation are a pair of Dahli's and he runs a pair of Jl Fathom v2's in 10". The room has extensive acoustic treatment and is tuned with with his $5k meter . Your tastes sound very similar to yours, and this is why I jumped in . He offered me the Acoustic Zens as they were replaced by the Joseph Audio Pulsars . They are SWEET ! Also IMHO you are under powered . He has a Chronus II in his office and I tried  my Zu Omens and Klipsh Heresy II 's with it for giggles . It was nice . But I have a pair of JBL  4312a's on 28" Sound Anchor stands and any tubes below 100 watts or SS below 200 watts won't work . You would hate these , but it's just my example . So to answer your question , audition the Pulsars , but at $7k and 5k for subs plus cables , thats a lot of green . Also , have you rolled any tubes ? I recently moved into entry level low powered tubes . I have a Rogue RP-1 and a Dennis Had Set amp . The first thing I did was replace the JJ's in the Rogue. I obtained NOS RCA , Mullard and Tekefunkens, settling on the Tele's. I have 6 gain tubes , and 4 rectifier tubes all NOS for the power amp. I also have 3 pairs of current production power tubes . So in closing , audition the Pulsars , they sound fabulous and have a huge soundstage . Consider more POWER . But first , TRY ROLLING THE SMALL TUBES IN YOUR AMP WITH NOS . Telefunken and black plate RCA will be what you will like . Also the Tesla Red Tips, are very liquid . The Red Lion KT-88 reissues are great. The small tubes will have the biggest change in your system and be the most cost effective . Anyway , I hope this helps , and happy listening . Regards , Mike B.

There is a lot of solid advice in this thread.

-Speakers interact with the room they are in
-Electronics sound better with both adequate and clean power

I have 2 subs. Each amp has it's own 20amp breaker. My McIntosh mc352 has it's own 20 amp breaker. The wiring and outlets are new and industrial (read overkill). All other electronics go through 3 PowerVAR conditioners.

I have homemade floor to ceiling triangular bass traps using Rockwool absorption. Behind my listening position hangs a 2x4ft panel i made that is also Rockwool.  I have lots of absorption and next I will be doing diffusion panels.

I have Martin Logan Prodigy's which are honestly too big for this room so I have room modes like crazy. My next step is to purchase a mic and software to analyze my room.

Good luck with your quest.

You seem to have my exact tastes for non-fatiguing, non-analytical sound with deep, warm bass. I purchased a preowned pair of Thiel CS3.6 on Audiogon for $1200 about 6 years ago and no other speaker I have tried comes close for my taste. I recently tried the Revel Ultima Salon2s and before that, the Focal Electra 1037 Be speakers and they seemed to lack the warm, wide soundstage I get with the Thiels. I currently drive these with an Audio Research Ref 150 amp, Ref 5 preamp and Modwright tube modified Oppo BDP 105, all plugged into a PS Audio P5 Power Plant. Some might say your 100 tube watts is not enough power for the Thiels, but I previously used the Thiels with the integrated 60 watts per channel Audio Research VIi60 tube amp with nearly equally good results. You really owe it to yourself to try these. I see a pair for sale on Audiogon now, but it looks like one of the drivers has a dented dust cover.

Studio Electric speakers are voiced in that way. Down just a little bit in the 3-4 kHz range to take the edge off, up a bit in the "air" range above 12kHz.

Add a JL audio E-110 to any mid priced speaker you've mentioned.  Astounding!  Will make more of a difference than going from a $2k/pair speaker to a $5k/pair. A year ago I added this to Vandy 2's, and WOW!!!!   None of these speakers reproduce the bottom octave.  Most people don't even realize all the music that simply isn't being reproduced at all.

I am surprised there is not a single recommendation for B&W. I have a small listening room and I am running an old pair of B&W 602’s. They definitely tick all of the boxes you mention. I have tried many different speakers and gone through tons of amps and integrated/receivers and they just sound great with everything.

I recently found a great deal on an open box set of the newer CM series from B&W and after auditioning them, they sounded almost identical to the 602’s. Slightly better detail. VERY slight, but not $1000 better. I returned them.

At this point I am considering stepping up to the 805. Typically in the $1600-$2000 range when used. I have also strongly considered the Ascend Sierras because of the huge number of recommendations. I like the sound of the Paradigms too.

The last few months I have been in the "I have to upgrade mindset." But as I sit here listening to my current system, drinking my coffee and reading Audiogon, I think I have finally calmed the urge. What I have sounds damn good. Good luck on the never ending quest :)

Look at the Zingali range. They are hand made in Italy and use a wooden horn. Deigned for tube amps with low output they are superbly smooth and great bass but have the detail and speed of a horn without the forward or harshness you are concerned about.

And of course the midrange is magical. Look good too.

I have found my Acoustic Energy AE109s have a warm treble and solid bass. The soft dome tweeter and ported dual mid-bass drivers deliver the characteristics you are seeking with either tubes or solid-state amplification.

Some good recommendations already. I am surprised the Harbeths and Spendors weren't on your original list. They seem to be exactly what you are looking for. I also have found the Aerials excellent, and in the way you are looking for.

As to acoustics, if you haven't taken care of the first reflection points on the walls and eliminated any slap echo in the room as well, you are on a fool's errand, as no speaker will perform anywhere near its potential.

Best of luck!

I must also mention that I was surprised at a couple speakers you mentioned as being too bright. I agree that evaluating room acoustics is a good idea. 

One thing I've noticed about metal dome tweeters, however good or warm, is that they always sound more analytical than fabric domes. IMO, any metal dome tweeter is going to sound less musical overall compared to a fabric dome. This is just my personal experience. I think people often associate their analytical sound with brightness. I do like some metal dome tweeters, though only because I'm a bit of a detail whore.

We seem to be having a similar problem with speakers I've been going through many over the last few years.  I really regret selling my ProAc's response 2.5's and they did everything your looking for probably the best speaker I have owned in regards to just enjoying music great bass great  mids and a tweeter that didn't kill you.  I hear thier newer stuff is quite good. I've tried the AudioNote ANe's and liked them but traded them as I just wasn't listening to music as much as I thought I should. I'm currently enjoying some Living Voice Avatar 2's but they are quite expensive in the US/Canada. I have heard as some one else mentions the PMC twenty series and they are quite nice but could be a bit too detailed. I tried some Devour gibbon 8's and found them tiring and to be honest heard them directly beside some Dyna's and the Dynaudios were much smoother and enjoyable. I would look for some used Proac's still miss them the most for their musicality and the ability to play deep base

I have two suggestions, both of which are no longer made.  Since you will be forced to buy used you will be getting a super value!

1. Aerial 10t - Just a fantastic all around speaker.  You should pay about $2,000 for a pair in good condition.  Requires lots of power to get the best performance.

2.  Sonus Faber Luito -  very warm, almost romantic sound with good solid base for its size.  Much more recent than the Aerial.  Expect to pay around $2,500 for some in excellent condition.

Based on your requirements, I highly recommend trying to audition the Epos Elan or Epic series. The speakers do have a somewhat utilitarian look, but they are extremely good for their modest price.

I own a pair of Monitor Audio Silver 8s and use them with a Rogue Audio Sphinx. The MAs do have a warm treble despite being metal dome, and they do resolve a little more detail than the Epos, but the Epos are considerably more musical. I own a pair of Epos Epic 2s as well. They are such great speakers that I can't imagine ever getting rid of them. They also have better bass than many small floor standers, despite being bookshelves. EPOS speakers are rated at 4 ohm, but for practical purposes, they're closer to 6 ohms. You could probably get away with running them off the 8 ohm taps of your Cronus with no issues.

What room treatments are you using? 

How about ascend acoustics  Sierra towers ? 
Great midrange and non fatiguing highs 

Some great suggestions to mull over on speakers, but may I ask what tube compliment you have in your integrated? Have you experimented with different tubes? I know another can of worms to open, but like others have said, something fundamental sounds amiss, after going through all those quite respectable speakers and still coming up wanting... That or possibly your listening room is too "live" and you are getting some unwanted reflections. 

Two immediately come to mind:

Sonus Faber (I own the Olympica 3 and definitely fit your description)
Tannoy

Sonus Faber
Vienna Acoustics

Roll the dice and choose one from the many speakers suggested above. My guess is it won't matter as you are stuck in the "something must be better" mode. New speakers will only provide temporary relief for that itch.

Sonus faber cremona series would be a good option.

Is it possible something in your room is creating high freq issues? Some sorta reflection? Have you auditioned any systems in a well treated room? BTW I am currently cleaning up my power and seeing improvements with highs.

Wow lots of replies here, this is great, thanks all.  Lots to respond to.

One thing that I have seen mentioned a few times is cleaning up my power supply.  This is something I have been considering for a while, although at the moment I'm not sure I can come up with the cash for speakers *and* a good power regenerator.  I am currently using my old trusty PS Audio UPC-200 for basic filtering, which does help, but I would like to end up with a PS Audio P3 or P5.

I am currently auditioning a pair of the Spatial Audio M3 Turbo S.  One of them arrived with a broken woofer, so I'm not sure that I am getting a true representation of their sound.  The replacement is being delivered this Friday, so I should know more in a couple weeks after it breaks in.  My impressions of the M3 Turbo S so far is that they have excellent coherency, soundstage, detail, and bass, but the treble may not be to my tastes either.  They use a compression driver, which from everything I read said it was supposed to sound smooth, but I've been having fatigue issues.  I really do think I need to address the power thing though, as I will never know if these issues are due to the speakers, or just the fact that the speakers are extended enough in the treble to reveal issues with hash and grain.

The Vienna Acoustics have been on my radar for several years, but I never followed through with them.  My concern with those would be the bass.

Electrostats like the Martin Logan may be good, but again, not sure how the bass would be on those unless I moved way up the line or had a very powerful amp, which I currently do not own.  The Summits are way out of my price range I'm afraid.

Dynaudio have always been interesting to me as well.  Not sure if there is a place near me to audition them.  My Rouge integrated can output I believe up to 100 watts if using the KT 120 tubes, not sure if that will suffice.

I think the Eminent Technology LFT-8b speakers would work great with your amp. My dealer sells both products (Rogue and Eminent Tech) and they really are amazing paired together. I find the LFT-8b’s to be very neutral with amazing detail and somewhat laid back presentation. One of the best attributes is that they have basically no distortion. The bass detail is great and they go low (25hz). The tweeter also has 3 output settings to tailor the sound. They also sound great a lower listening levels, which I find most speakers fail. Just my experience, thought I would share.
The one negative is speaker placement can be fussy.

PMC Twenty series is all that.  NEAT Motive series if your room is small/medium size.

Dynaudio a great choice. Excellent quality speakers that will never sound too cold but rather anywhere from to neutral to a TAD warm depending on what is fed to them.  Gotta have an amp up top the task of driving them optimally though for best results.

@steakster I agree that your satisfaction with speakers is bound to change when you clean up your power. I found power quality to be more important than speaker cables, which make less of a difference versus power quality. (I use PS Audio Power plants.)

I also have a Rogue "Cronus Magnum+" and it sounded great with Avalon Acoustics "Eidolon" speakers (AntiCables speaker cables). Since the Rogue, I’ve also run Ayon Audio "Triton III"s and Raven Audio "Blackhawk LE". I found the Rogue to have a wonderful sound, but it has a discernible noise floor versus either the Ayon or Raven. I would attribute that to the premier quality of the parts (especially the resistors and caps, along with transformer shielding) of the Raven and Ayon. I could be wrong, and it could have been my tubes, but I did roll a few through the Rogue so... (Note: Rogue is a GREAT bargain at it’s price point, even more so used, plus it’s made in the USA ...same as Raven.)

I’d start with my power, the I’d try out different speakers. I recently listened to the Harbeth Super HL5 plus and also the Monitor 30.1 and 40.2 -- all are wonderful speakers. I am absolutely dying to hear the Harbeths with the Raven amp, that might become my next home office system. (The Ayon Triton seems to be in love with the Avalon Eidolon speakers...)

Speakers should be neutral in sound.

yeah but monitor audio can be hot in highs,but  might be pair very well with tube amp,dynaudio contour le will fit the bill but they don't mate well with tube amp
harbeth and spendor will mate very well with tube amp,but the bass will be problem

I would audition the Monitor Audio line again if I were you... I’ve had Paradigm for 20+ years and now have Monitors and think the sound you are looking for describes them very well... I can tell you for a fact that the Monitor Silver 8s are much better in every way than the V3 of the Studio 60s

Jwglista,

I kinda thought the Aerials were out of the price range too. So I bought the b&wcm6s2.  Highly rated you can look up the reviews.  But they try to impress too much.  After 8 months I went bad to listen to the Aerials.  Now I am going to trade up.  

Were you ever feel sorry you ever spent too much on audio?  i dont know anyone that felt that way.

+1 for rega... Outstanding speakers in terms of naturalness, smoothness, and detail.

jwglista

Martin Logan Summits, great bass that has it's own amp, and Electrostatic mids and treble, say no more! 

Cheers George

Try Urban-001  by Bache audio

Speakers that I have heard that lean towards what you are asking for are what has been mentioned
Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand
Vienna Acoustics Beethoven Baby Grand
Harbeth 7, 30, 5
Dynaudio Focus 220

Dalis have a nice warm sound and decent bass.  They're a pleasant sounding speaker.

A pair of Alon Lotus SE speakers should be just your ticket especially with the Rogue Audio Chrome Magnum int. tube amp. There is a pair for sale over at Usaudiomart for $1000 which is a downright steal. (no affiliation with the seller, just a long time Alon Lotus SE user)

+1 on either the Harbeths, SPENDORs, or JMR's

other worthy contenders  IMO = REGA floorstanders , Proac, PMC

Final point: I am equally surprised along with the previous posts  at  the failure of the Vandersteens as a top fave for you.

+1 soix, I am also a bit surprised at the OP's take on the Vandy’s. They have always sounded warm and punchy when I have heard them.

Dynaudio is a good recommendation. Also, if looking used, look for a pair of Soliloquy speakers. Vienna Acoustics and Sonus Faber may also be worth listening to.

I'm very surprised at your impression of the Vandys.  I'd seriously question the setup and associated equipment if it was at a dealer.  Not what I associatiate with the Vandy 2s at all, although I'm sure you heard what you heard.  I'd give them another chance. 

BTW, I strongly agree with Erik's recommendation above about British monitors.  I just didn't think of them dammit.  Go hear some Harbeths or Spendors, although you'd probably have to buy used and they probably won't be the last word in bass at your price point.  But what they do right may far outweigh that for you.  Also like the Dynaudio recommendation.  You've got lots of good recommendations here.  Hope you can go out and hear a bunch of them.