Such a bizarre thread on an ever increasingly bizarre forum site. "Audiogon...where people come to fight about audio."
Please, if you want to look at the OP's question for just a second, the real question is the definition of "audiophile" not the definition of those who don't have a turntable.
Audiophile, to me, has a pejorative tinge. Sure, I search for "audiophile" on Craigslist because sometimes that pulls up a great piece of gear, but it ain't because I want to be one.
In the dictionary, an audiophile is an enthusiast of good audio reproduction. In cultural terms, and audiophile is someone looking to climb their way up to the next level of the "audio pyramid" as it were; but unfortunately, all too often, the true audiophile intention is not in ascension of sound quality, but in ascension over other audiophiles. It's like the sealions all trying to be on top of that highest rock. That is even how one could visualize this particular thread, with miller, soko, and robert all waiving their tusks around at each other.
So if someone wants to come on this site and pontificate about reversing cables or argue whether one imperfect sound reproduction is the "true" method over another, then they're an audiophile. Because no one else cares.
(I love good sound and tinkering with my system. But my primary love is good music, reasonably well reproduced. For that reason I consider myself a sort of non-automobile "gearhead" rather than an audiophile. More practical. Less competitive.)
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asvjerry
34:15 >>>>WTF!? Did I miss a game yesterday? Scripture? |
My neighbour had a red Porche Super fifty years ago. His son still has it, and has restored to 100 % original working shape. Beautiful machine.
This super Porche is a tractor.
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(Been a fan of Good 'sample & hold' since the Art of Noise....) Ann Dudley did the bulk of their arrangements....biilliant.... |
"It has a beat....you can dance to it"....*L* |
"If you came to party, let me keep your hands up!"
FBS is just 10 years younger than I....and its' good stuff to knock the dust off the sub....
...if I let any collect...;)
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"DOn't know of anyone crazy trying to play analogue in the car." I have a cassette player in the car and, if I decide to play any music, I play cassettes. Most of them recorded from LPs. Real LPs, from way back when. |
Beefheart was interviewed by Rolling Stone years ago. Had a great quote,"There are only 40 people in the world and 38 of them are hamburgers"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF177Aj59C8
One could ask: "WTF are you ON?!" A chair. |
sokogear, then you don't remember (or hadn't occupied the planet yet...not your fault...) the 'car record players'. Yes, for LP's.!
You'd insert the disc much like a CD. Never had the opportunity to disect one, but the 'tone arm' (or whatever it was...) likely ran @ 10 grams and Still would skip and mistrack unless one was on a road smooth as a bowling alley (i.e., Rare)....Visions of vinyl curling up from the 'stylus', likely more like a sharp nail....
That would likely get 'attached' to the 'reverb unit'...a wonderful spring affair that would give a yield a memorial 'Boing!' that would last a few seconds.... Only vaguely 'listenable' on the same 'bowling alley' road...
Late '50's~early '60's 'car audio was...weird...then came the 8 track cassettes....Tape stopping mid-selection....extract cart to find the mechanism had become a acetate pasta nightmare....
Ah....the Gawd Aweful Old Daze.....(there is NO 'emoji' for this)...
@boxer12.....that's being a 'bi-phile'....(no gender reference)....
#378?
glupson....and then there's MC Hammer.....'2 legit 2 quit!'....(did anyway)...and it's all 'shades of gray' mush to me....🤪
looscanon....(pun intended) from the PacPunk....one is what one eats....and I dream of wires.....do digital direct...no analogies for analog, livin' live livedly.....;) *chaump*chaump*
Those who expect sensiblity on a late Fry/early Sat must have grown quietly quiescent on the settee', dateless despondent desperados....looser losers...
@thecarpathian....there is a difference....;)
It's Free....only a dollar....
GeoK, there is not foothold, lost 'n spaced....some get a grip, some just get the grippe'...
I had to make my own friends....that's wye they're a bit disjointed.... |
No just an audiophile. Everyone if forced to listen to digital in their car, all audiophiles listen to both.DOn't know of anyone crazy trying to play analogue in the car.
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Since the consensus here seems to be "yes" and I listen to both analog & digital, I must be a double audiophile. Not sure I like that. |
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Sure Walrus.
Hey Zoo-boy - it's called entertainment, fun and maybe some knowledge transfer (maybe more in other discussions) This one has touched on audio equipment (analogue and yes , digital), cars - (Porsches and others and yes, SUV's), Rolexes, biology, anatomy, physics, psychoacoustics and others I'm forgetting. Please lighten up.
394 and counting.....
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HEY SOKO..... you familiar with the word TAINT? |
"Pain is a good example. I can step on your foot and get a certain level of pain and I can take a full swing at your foot with a sledge hammer and that will get a more intense level of pain. Very analog." Would stepping be C and sledge hammer A? Or both are A? Sledge hammer should be A, but what about stepping? I am really not sure, but would like to learn. Is it really a good example against what rauliegas was trying to convey? "A few English ones might even sneak through before you try to kill me. Very typical human behavior." Oh man, you have been hanging out with the wrong crowd. |
Raul, don't believe me. I'm just a peasant. Do google the human cochlea,
organ of corti and the physiology of human hearing. Neurons and all of our sensors are neither off or on. They are always somewhere in between. Off is dead. There is less active and more active. Pain is a good example. I can step on your foot and get a certain level of pain and I can take a full swing at your foot with a sledge hammer and that will get a more intense level of pain. Very analog. If I hooked you up to a DAC you would probably throw it against the wall uttering whatever four letter words you have in your native language. A few English ones might even sneak through before you try to kill me. Very typical human behavior. But please, this is just an example and I have no intention of swinging anything at you. I love your accent.
Zoophaugus, don't be a party pooper. Silly posts sometimes enact very interesting discussions. if you feel left out or somehow disenfranchised please visit another post. I'm sure you can find one to your liking.
Avsjerry, I'm not sure but I think that might make you a Pack Man.
Twoch, nobody cares. At least I think nobody cares. Lick your finger and stick it up in the air.
Geoffkait, I am totally lost.
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I'm a sports car fan and I own a Miata! and a turntable. No Rolex.... |
Says the guy who posted twice.
zoophaugus,
What I find astounding is the sheer number of people who have so much trouble spelling a simple word like loser.
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It's bad enough that the original poster is looking for attention but the fact that you guys give it to him is even worse.. |
asvjerry, Thanks for your trust (in my posts). "Yup, that grey mush inside ones' skull." Strangely so, this thread has been discussing the white one, not the grey one. |
These silly attention grabbing headlines posted week after week after never ending week are getting tiresome and clearly demonstrate the sheer number of loosers that have no life and substitute this site for real life friends...
It's simply astounding.. |
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I have turntables (2.5)...does 2 cassette decks = 1 R2R?
I have 3 subs. I even eat them occasionally....
Do I be 'kinda audiophile'? |
glupson...I take you seriously. Really....
I hope I'm taken seriously.....but, there is the range of Serious that gets applied to one in a given circumstance....
Serious as a heart attack.
Serious threat.
Seriously insane.
Seriously dense.
Etc.....(seriously....)
Like, "
If impulses turn into a continuous something, do they need some kind of converter?"
Yup, that grey mush inside ones' skull. Unique enough that noboldy hears and comprehends anything in exactly the same fashion.
To the point that, even when we agree on anything, it's still a subject for scrutiny on a 'nit-pick' level....
"Hell is other humans." *L* |
Macan and Rolex-- yep it works!!?? |
@glupson : sorry I will not.
No matters what and how many impulses goes over a period of time still are discrete. In my first post about I said that maybe the distance in between could be angstroms.
Anyway, it is enough. I already confirmed what I need it to.
R.
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"I’ve been away from digital for quite a few years, am I missing something new and exciting." Try newer DACs. |
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So could we maybe agree that digital could be awesome, but needs higher resolution. The problem is 16/44 just isn’t enough. What happened to sacd and hopes for other high res formats. I got tired of waiting and gave up on digital. But will welcome it back when it advances. I’ve been away from digital for quite a few years, am I missing something new and exciting. Don’t care about the convenience of streaming without sounding much better than CD’s. |
rauliruegas,
""" Still, if anyone is keeping tabs, it is not continuous. """
More clear than clean water.
Do not quote me around here. Usually, nobody takes my statements seriously. As much as electrical impulses may not be continuous, over period of time it is enough of them to make it practically continuous, I think. I mean, there are short bursts, but there is so many of them and so close together that final outcome is practically smooth and virtually continuous. And then someone added neurotransmitters to the story which ends up going into a whole new ocean. Which is really a neurophysiology realm and barely discussible on a thread where people have varied backgrounds. From real estate agents to virologists. |
Dear @glupson : " action potential ", was in the information I posted.
""" Still, if anyone is keeping tabs, it is not continuous. """
More clear than clean water.
Btw, your question in the last post is exactly what I posted to that same gentleman. Not only MIT research but other top institutions/gentlemans talk about discrete electric impulse and about " all or nothin " condition and " off/onn " condition too.
@looscannon , you can named as you wish : binary or whatever the subject is that are electric impulses: undreds of impulses at very fast speed. An impulse is discrete. In no one of the several researchs out there no one speaked of non discrete impulses and please remember that for scientifics they only know no more than the 17% of the whole brain operation so it's not " healthy " that you can post with absolute certainty what you posted. Of course that due to my very high ignorance levels on the specific subject I can be wrong but exist the possibility that you can be wrong either.
Thank’s.
R. |
That’s qualifies. Everyone who loves a nice reproduced sound is. As is every individual and his or her system. The act of obtaining and maintaining a playback system to hear amazing music qualifies you.
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"...they release impulses that fire off axons in a continuous fashion." If impulses turn into a continuous something, do they need some kind of converter? |
Raul, where did you get a binary concept of human hearing? Inside the cochlea is an arrangement of ciliated cells that are set up very much like piano strings. When sound comes along at their intended frequency they release impulses that fire off axons in a continuous fashion. These impulses are handed off to the eight cranial nerve which travels to the parietal cortex where they are interpreted. There is absolutely nothing binary about it.
We are all audiophiles or we would not be here having this discussion.
We love music and we love the stuff that reproduces it. Take enough acid and it all sounds great.
Make Love and forget about the war part. It sucks. |
I guess firstly I'm a Porschephile and audiophile second I just sold my 96 993 speedyellow 911 Turbo but still have a 78 911 SC I've always been interested in well engineered sporty cars. When I was 24 I bought a BMW 2002ti and at that time no one knew what the heck it was. I owned many BMW M cars over the years and decided to try Porsche for a change. Turned out to be one hell of an investment!! Also in my early 20,'s I got tired of listening to my friends stereo systems that made my ears bleed from clipping! There must be somthing better and I ended up with a Marantz 2265B and Teac casset player and Cerwin Vega speakers
By the time the 90's rolled around l bought a VAC PA 80 80 and a ARC LS 15 that l still have today
Over the years I've gone though many speakers and currently have a pair of Maggie's. 7's
and have recently added a Exogal comet plus DAC and Audiolab 6000N streamer. I also have a very good 5.1 system.Did I spend FU money, I don't think so, I'm I an Audiophile? I think so??? |
My life has been full of music since I was 5. That’s when I received for Christmas my first transistor radio and shortly after began piano lessons. Of course I’m a macho guy and transitioned to... you guessed it, the drums. For years and years I played along with the music and with a few lessons and I mean a few I taught myself to play. Middle school thru high school I was the band geek, plus the very competitive sports fanatic who also excelled at baseball. Unfortunately drumming ended for a while after a major left arm injury and I didn’t play again for 15 years. Once I could manage it I bought a Fender jazz deluxe and taught myself to play. Now I could play rush on my bass...well not really but I did learn to play ok even with my arm limitations. Years later I was able to build a kit most would envy and passed on the love of drumming to my son who had Neal talent. In 1986 I bought my first stereophile magazine and my life changed. Goodbye Radio shack, hello ocd, please help me become a audiophile. Please do not nullify this “audiophile“ with a lack understanding. |
raulliruegas, "Dear @glupson : you are rigth." I would like to use your quote from now on. I forgot what the details were, but someone earlier mentioned action potential, too. I am not sure if it was supposed to be analog, digital, continuous, or something else in that sentence. Still, if anyone is keeping tabs, it is not continuous. |
Dear @glupson : you are rigth. I posted that way because is something I pasted but whon says that the chemical developed neurotransmitters changes the discrete electric impulses binary condition to a continuos one other that what you stated?
Many years ago and obviously way before this and other threads about I listened from some one the digital status of the human beens and everything shows to that direction.
R. |
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Some of us have the means to upgrade and some upgrade when they can afford it. I’ve been in both camps...as the means provided I upgraded. I now have 2 systems. One is a home theater and the other is an almost as amazing, poor, left over, hard to sell montage of components that I decided not to sell because their resale value on audiogon wasn’t worth selling if I could have my “audiophile” habit upstairs also. I love how someone says I’m not a true “audiophile” because I upgrade every 5 or 6 years for the last 35. I’ve been to many a live event (saw Rush and the amazing Neal peart 48 times) Been to at least 500 plus live shows and I love that sound, but a PA system isn’t practical in a home environment, (goofy wife what does she know). The klipsch fortes I owned in the 80’s as well as my entire system (that took my poor ass years to built) is still in use by my x-wife to this day. Audiophiles come from every walk of life and what connects them is the music and it reproduction. Period.
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As usual you are ALL WRONG! Just kidding.
A person who enjoys music is a “music aficionado”
A person who enjoys listening to music AND does something to make it sound better to their ears, is an “audiophile” no matter the format or system.
A person calling another person a “porschephile” should be a hate crime.
A person bragging about being a good autocrosser and considers themselves a auto racer, should also check with their wife before going out to the store.
Notice that the people with the best systems are the least judge mental(sp).
Peace out
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Being an audiophile is not about what you own. Its about how you get what you own to sound! I am very proud to be one by my own creativity....My systems look like trash and cost peanuts.... His sound is out of this world by my homemade low cost methods then being an audiophile for me is being creative not being a customer.... You cannot buy the "audiophile" title with an amplifier.... The audiophile task is more important than the piece of electronic, the ultimate question is: How to embed it? A true audiophile rarely upgrade.... He makes perfect the embedding process and that cost if we are creative peanuts..... I think most people dont understand that.... :) |
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Ocd every tiny, small aspect of your system too the point you’ve gone slightly insane and your wife is about too kill you. Then do it again after a few years. Sell, sell, after buy, buy, buy. 20k later I can slow my pace. Holy smoke I think I’m done honey, I promise. Crap I feel...crap I can’t stop myself, oh no, I must buy again. One word crazy audiophile...
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