QSA Stones

I feel sorry for all of you that are unwilling to try something outside of your limited belief systems. 

@georgehiifi,

"All these "snake oil" products need to be eradicated, from forums, where they get free exposure and get massive profits, without posting themselves if you notice, they just let their shillers do it for them. That way there’s no liability back to them for any claims on what they do.
Cheers George"


Hopefully today’s audio consumer is far better informed than his predecessors were.

These disreputable dealers of hokum can only leave a bad taste in their customers mouths.

Until another Michael Faraday comes along to enlighten us all I think we can safely ignore all of these facile shill attempts.
---------
In the meantime I’ve also got some magic pebbles I’d love you all to try out...trust me they’re good, real good.

This stuff is mystical. It defies logic and science but you don’t need to listen to me, you don’t need no white paper man!


Just let my friend Dennis explain it.

"One through nine, no maybes, no supposes, no fractions.

You can’t travel in space, you can’t go out into space, you know, without, like, you know, uh, with fractions - what are you going to land on - one-quarter, three-eighths?

What are you going to do when you go from here to Venus or something?

That’s dialectic physics."

George it's NOT FREE.. The vendors pay a lot of money to SELL their stuff on AG. What part don't you understand.. You've paid nothing and have tried nothing..

What is your contribution other than earning the nickname "Repeat".

You're gonna keep fooling around and get in trouble again, man oh man.

You get a little traction from a few knuckle heads and you have to start showing how many times you can Repeat the same thing..

I'm really wishing there was an ON/OFF button.. I'd pay for it AG I really really would...  :-)

Repeat George and Pope mozartfan, throw in a little GK heck I'll contribute, we'd have a travlin' road show.. We'd make a fortune... :-)
Have MC, fuztone, tubebuffer, and Master M as guest stars.. LOL
Ozzy, hide45, and about a dozen others.. 

HECK lets make some money.. Let's run a Ponzi for a week or two and become billionaires for a while, why not.. Form a new club.. Trillionaires Club... Why mess around...

Let's start a new "Cyber Country"... Let's make it BIG too..

Regards

All these "snake oil" products need to be eradicated, from forums, where they get free exposure and get massive profits, without posting themselves if you notice, they just let their shillers do it for them. That way there’s no liability back to them for any claims on what they do.

Cheers George

Those of you taking pot shots at geoffkait, here is his partial resume.

Geoff Kait -- Aerospace Engineering (theoretical fluid dynamics and propulsion, statistical thermodynamics, nuclear physics, indeterminate structures). Undergrad thesis: Preliminary design of low-thrust engine for interplanetary travel utilizing momentum transfer mechanisms in highly magnetic metal crystal bombarded by high-energy ions. Work experience: satellite operations; radar data analysis; aerodynamics of high-performance aircraft; reentry vehicle dynamics; radio communications; satellite communications; spread spectrum communications.

Rock on boys, ha ha, I made a funny.  

@oldhvymec. Funny thing is I have tried all this stuff, Shitaki Stones, Petoskey Stones, Tuning Sticks, Crystals and none if it did anything, Did not even make my wallet lighter as I sent all the crap back and only bought this stuff from vendors with return privileges.

Here is the other thing I do not see this stuff being sold the real high end audio dealers...

BTW, GK always left me with more questions than answers.

Nah, just one answer https://youtu.be/YTY26k0CA0I?t=4

Anyone selling a reputable product will have a full money back guarantee or even a trial period. Please let me know the details.

No no no don’t think this way, as if only half are sent back, these shysters, are still making a small fortune.
And the chances of you sending them back and not feeling embarrassed about the purchase, you’ll just throw them away instead, and say never again.

Cheers George

Saving some kidney stones and painting a blue dot on each. Will be selling single stones for $60. Place your order quickly I expect to sell out quickly

BTW, GK always left me with more questions than answers.

I just need an ON/OFF button for some things.. LOL

Regards

It cannot be easier to understand. If you've tried them, you have an obligation (according to you) to report that to other folks.

The problem is most folks that are saying something doesn't work, haven't tried what they are talking about (STONES).

If you haven't tried them, then quit cluttering up the thread, I'm an avid reader in spite of the repeated post about how they CAN'T work.

NOT they didn't work for me.. I didn't hear a thing, OR my dog started attacking my leg and hiking HER leg on the amp with the stones. SHE normally squats outside to take a leak... She thinks she is a 130lb MALE Mastiff. She is a 13 lb Jack.

Report what happens, not what you haven't TRIED..

HECK LIE and say you did and the moon turned blue or something..

OR

Pay attention and READ.

Do I think stones can change the way a system can sounds? I know they can...

I use to really mess around with magnets as a kid. BIG magnets, electro magnets. Then neo and rare earth and a few other composites that can hold a field. HO train motors are really cool IF you pay attention to crazy Tesla.. :-)

THEN about 4 years ago (56 years total) I see cable manufactures using magnets to focus cables (for the lack of a better term). Very popular with some pretty good results and it has surely helped THEIR pocket books.. GOOD FOR THEM... Land of the FREE and home of the BRAVE. (My dog).

Different materials that have formed over millions of years and then MAN does some hocus pocus to it in a micro wave.. Are folks that silly to think a ROCK with 10,000 different "THINGS" in it and just one or two altered by some bonehead, can't do weird things?

Genuine NUTS are what roles down hills.  Be at the bottom.. LOL

Geez, I've made a few mistakes that turned out really GOOD..  Imagine that a mistake that turned out well.. 

Kind of like Brittney saying "Ops I did it again" Was that a mistake? :-)

Regards

@millercarbon Enjoy the voodoo and the earth is flat.

@georgehifi

Sorry, but posted my post without seeing yours. Coincidence....not trying to plagiarize.

Interestingly He will not post a phone number for contact .  But does claim 30 days return for any new purchase

@ghdprentice not seeing any Petoskey stones on your system?

@clearthink and @ghdprentice

Feeling silly because you bought 5 of these $80.00 Petoskey Stones?

@millercarbon you are a Copper Bracelet Salesmen s dream.

So I have some Polished Stones my kids bought in Petoskey Mi when they were younger. I placed them on my X200, put on the copper bracelets I bought from the old woman in Cicero and put a tin foil hat on and guess what?
They're coming to take me away ho, ho. 

No really why do I need to disprove this nonsense when you can not back up your position with any data other than your wax filled ears.
Think about it even the FDA (I know touch subject) when getting approval for a drug you have to provide the SCIENTIFIC DATA that the drug will do what it is intended to remedy or cure.

So why do I have to disprove what you have no proof of?

Keep up the silliness.

@gochurchgo 

I'll bite. I think its all horse sh*t. All of it. But do they have a money back guarantee? If so I could be persuaded to try it. I'm kind of a sucker for sub $100 tweaks.

Agreed.  Anyone selling a reputable product will have a full money back guarantee or even a trial period.  Please let me know the details.  I am unable to find a review posted at a reputable industry website...perhaps someone can post a link? 

These seem earily similar to the guy who used to sell "Brilliant Pebbles" and had pictures of taping them to your ICs. He also had a "Super Intelligent Chip" that you put on top of your cd player and somehow lazer light would leak into the room and activate the magic.  
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina64.htm

Shhhhh! If you say his name he might come back!

These things are just hand off from Geoff Kait’s Machina Dynamica Pebbles he was selling, at least your money stayed in the US with his snake oil.
https://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm

Cheers George

I will pass on rocks dude.

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” Arthur C. Clarke


Science is filled with fraud and published findings that cannot be replicated. So claiming science is infallible or the ultimate truth of the universe is total crap. 

jerryg123-

I also have the right to debunk junk science. 

Okay, but there is no junk science, and you debunk nothing. If you want to learn to debunk, drop the snarky insults and innuendo and propose some actual science. But you can't, and I know it, and advise you not even try as it will only give me reason to show just how inept you are at it. tick to what you know, blather, only take it somewhere else. Please. I recommend Audio Science Review. They don't know how to listen either. You will feel right at home. 

I'll bite. I think its all horse sh*t. All of it. But do they have a money back guarantee? If so I could be persuaded to try it. I'm kind of a sucker for sub $100 tweaks.

Dear God .... Such *Desperate for attention*  arrogance ...

The true arrogance lies with those who, seeing no need to try or investigate it for themselves beforehand, make absolute statements that something cannot possibly work. It is inconceivable to them that anything outside the narrow world of their knowledge, understanding and training has any validity or merit.

jerryg123"I see you are a true believer and I will respect that. I also have the right to debunk junk science. Especially when one can not even begin to validate it with science other than voodoo science"

So when will you commence you're debunking so far all I see from you is a lot of words and mostly just bunking.

I think Everyone wants great sound and some will do (especially the gullible), anything to achieve it.Unfortunately and undeniable Great sound is going to cost big money for equipment upfront. No amount of voodoo and propped up BS gimmicks Will change that fact and/or make junk sound like a Ken Fritz stereo !! I truly feel sorry for anyone who gets scammed by some of the crap out there. And I certainly don’t have any respect for people with either no friends not much of a life or shirts with holes too small for their heads. In this world we live by science we create by science. Fluke does happen but can be explained by science.
Some of us will remember..Is it live or is it Memorex sales S… Technology and science changed that thinking fast enough. So is it regression that we find Ourselves in a gravel pit looking for rocks to put on our equipment. If nothing else it proves humour is constant.

I only buy rocks made in the USA. These look like Chinese-made knock-off rocks. 

@coralkong I see you are a true believer and I will respect that. I also have the right to debunk junk science. Especially when one can not even begin to validate it with science other than voodoo science. Now if you told me this was a stone that was a Ferrite core/choke and it was reducing EMI and transient parasitic signals with a pretty blue or red stone on top and could support your findings with factual data, I would believe it.

BTW you can buy 2, 15mm Ferrite Cores for $25.00 on Amazon.

@daledeee1 the thread is bout stones not $39.00 springs on Amazon. I am a firm believer in Vibration Control and that is well documented and science supports that in audio, electrical and mechanical power transmission. Vibration and it's the parasitic energy/drag effect efficiencies.

I have Springs or Suspension under all my equipment and have brass pucks on top of my equipment to help reduce vibrations.

Hunks of rock with crystals not so much. Kind of like drinking tigers blood or snorting Rino Horn will make a hard man.

So keep it in context you are comparing real engineering and science with VOODOO.

Do you guys wear power crystals around your neck to give you strength?
Reminds me of the Eastern European (no rub on Eastern Europe or the wonderful people) that sold copper bracelets on the streets of Cicero IL down by the Danly Machine Factory claiming they cured arthritis (debunked by the medical field for centuries).

Apples for apples and keep it real.

Reminds me of when I was a kid.  If someone didn't know what else to say, the response was "you're stupid".  Or as Bambi said  "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all".  Or the kid that always has to get the last word in.

Oh,  I put springs under my speakers and it was/is one of  the biggest improvements yet.  Cost me $100 for subs and speakers.  Clarity, transients, bass, soundstage wider and deeper.  Voices OMG.  READY, SET, GO.  Tell me I wasted my money or I am imagining the results.

Yes @millercarbon and coralkong: I’ve only tried the stones directly on top of my preamp and amp's output transformers. To my ears, very similar in effect to the SR ECT’s.

Go kick rocks y’all ;-)

Now, when is someone gonna throw this dog a stone! 

If you think this is all bunk, or can’t see how these type of things can have any impact on the sound, that’s fine, but I’ll politely ask you to refrain from making repeated posts to that effect. The QSA Stones are obviously not for you, nor is this thread directed towards you.


Reading is apparently not a lot of people's strong suit here.

This Tweak Geek fella would have been hawking elixir’s back in the Old Wild West.
Who thinks of these cons?

Cannot blame the guy though, A sucker is born…..

Magic stones - another chapter in the Flat Earth Science textbook! 

For those who have an like these stones, I wonder if you might try some stones from your yard or nearby and report back about any differences. I’m open to trying things, but DIY seems the best, first route.

Pet rocks?

+1 @mijostyn your brain works like mine...

Thanks for the info guys.

Synergistic Research ECT’s. (Had to look it up. That’s a lot of **T’s to keep straight, for sure!)
I don’t have any external power supplies/power conditioners on my system, so not sure if the stones would be of any benefit to me.

Like I say, I don’t doubt that the QSA stones do "something", just not sure it’s something I need in my particular system. Perhaps someday I will give them a shot, but I need to get some other things straightened out first. (Currently remodeling/re-doing my listening room/office.)

I wonder if they have a similar effect to SR’s GCT’s (or whatever they’re called)? Those, supposedly, are the bees knees, but I have no experience with them.

SR has so many you got to get it right- HFT, ECT, PHT, probably more. Some like their fuses and outlets use a similar substance. So does NPS1260, so did PPT Total Contact. There are a lot of different aspects to improving sound, and a lot of different approaches resulting from this. A lot of these are complimentary and work together very well. I have a lot of different things in my system that work. Not everything I've tried does work. But everything used in my system sure does, and I have done the demos with people to prove it.

It's not the insults, it's the constant insults. ONE is never enough, it has to be over and over and over... It's like living next door to a neighbor that has a dog outside YOUR window that barks all the time. It's HIS dog...

It's like trying to talk to a Klingon (Grand Nagus Zek DS9)

Regards

Dear God .... Such *Desperate for attention*  arrogance ...

”For reference- and I do mean reference- here is the system of the kind of advanced audiophile you all should be doing your level best to learn from. https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367 ”

QSA stones are pretty far down on my "wish" list, but I don’t doubt that they do "something" to your system. Whether or not I understand it is irrelevant.

I wonder if they have a similar effect to SR’s GCT’s (or whatever they’re called)? Those, supposedly, are the bees knees, but I have no experience with them.

A quick check of the people interested only in mockery shows most of them don't even have a system. One has a decent entry level setup on a normal shelf in front of a fireplace. Just the kind of thing that could be improved a lot for not much investment of money if only he were interested in investing some brainpower to improvement instead of mockery. This is how you do it. Another one seems okay until reading down the system components we find "Cables Gone thru so so many". So a guy who has yet to figure out the basics is mocking more advanced audiophiles.

For reference- and I do mean reference- here is the system of the kind of advanced audiophile you all should be doing your level best to learn from. https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367 It really doesn't have to cost a lot to make some big moves in the right direction. Just last week someone posted how much better their system sounds just from routing cables as I recommended here. You guys could do it too. First step, maybe not be such a yugebohner. 

I actually have a fourth type of QSA Stone: the extremely rare nothing stone. It’s supposed to be a clear color stone but there is absolutely nothing there on top. Just a completely smooth brown cow chip. Doesn’t say much for QSA’s quality control. I did inform Mike of the problem but he never got back to me. No big deal, maybe it will be a rare collector’s item one day.

  These snake oil products are making Audiogon a dumping ground for rubbish to sell to the gullible.

Cheers George