QSA Stones

i use a book, so at least they
can read   

Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat.

Up to 20 plus post without a single contribution to the thread.

Admin at what point do you actually step in?

Paying VENDORS are threatening legal action, Agon members are threating to leave the forums and the rhetoric continues.

Do the members need to tally a VOTE?

Or just leave, I’m close with this clown.

I support Agon with MY money..

With what I’ve tried and learned through the years as a mechanic. I don’t need or have to, it’s a choice.

NOT an obsession. (well maybe)

I’ve personally seen some weird STUFF that worked, no idea why, didn’t care why.. It WORKED..

Some things I do care about like my O2 concentrator. :-)

That’s right MY O2 machine will put out enough concentrated O2 to raise the Titanic and the DEAD... I have 12 available for shipping right NOW..

PM if in need of a turbo charged (climate change activated) O2 concentrator. It can blow up a standard car tire in 30 seconds when using the optional (and reasonably priced) solar adaptor kit. 3K for off the grid..
1K for a standard residential charge kit. :-)

BTW I’m paying people to say it works even if it doesn’t. They are shills, I pay them to LIE.. Full disclosure... They will say anything for a buck..

I’ve broken all 8 Commandments, I left out TWO because I didn’t want to cop to um...

Regards..

@georgehifi 

That link does the same thing....read the text.....the claim is "SEEMS to.....blah blah blah"
It would not be legal for such a scam to imply the stones actually do anything.  

I could care less about the cliques here that bully people. All it takes for evil to prosper is good men to do nothing.  So many guys in this hobby are older, and frankly, their faculties are not as sharp as they used to be so "caveat emptor" is not fair to the disabled. Perhaps you should start an Official Audio Scam thread? If you are passionate, you could post similar threads in other forums?  I have emailed some of these vendors to send me a "demo" set before I purchase but of course zero replies. 

My opinions of those who support taking advantage of the less mentally acute has been substantially lowered.  I would not trust the same to suggest a headphone holder.

Honestly, perhaps  the entire thread is a joke by folks having too many cocktails and a good laugh.  Or they have smoked their breakfast one too many times?  

@coralkong 
“ 
Dude, if i ever leave Adiogon..... I assure everoynt that you YOU are the reason................just saying “

Awwww Bless …. I simply don’t know how we all coped before you rocked up 6 months ago LoLLLLLLL 

@oldhvymec …

” A shill is a "plant", a huckster. HE IS NEITHER. He speaks about the products HE owns and paid for.. No freebies.. No payed or bribed advertisement.. He likes the product..“

And how the hell do you know ?

And no, I don’t own and will not buy any of these stones.

Good for you, at least you see the illegal selling hoax going on here??

Maybe he needs another timeout. It sure was peaceful here during the time of his last break. What do you say admin?

Or maybe you need time out for promoting this outrageous rock hoax, and turning this place into a "snake oil pit"

@Admin
This thread is just just a load of mud slinging now many times personal.
This thread has gone toxic and needs to be euthanized.

The mud slinging started with George and has continued unabated because of same. Maybe he needs another timeout. It sure was peaceful here during the time of his last break. What do you say admin?

And no, I don't own and will not buy any of these stones. 

Dude, if i ever leave Adiogon.....  I assure everoynt that you YOU are the reason................just saying

You obviosley get kid gloves around here.

I'm tbinking 

Mihael's sending out the call.

5 https://www.tweekgeek.com/qsa-gemstones-pack-of-5/

Thanks for posting that link!! Cheers George

I missed that one, OMG🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

This is just outrageous what’s claimed!!!!!!!!!!!

"Sound

All seem to lower the noise floor, and allow more recording ambience and decay through. They also seem to make the presentation more liquid and natural sounding. However, the different colors seem to influence different frequencies more than others. There is also some overlap between them.

Red: Warmth, bloom, and decay

Clear: High frequencies, air, space. Good with tube components, not good with metal dome tweeters.

Blue: lower Mids and upper mids: Openness, texture, layering, transparency

(new) Black: Air, space, texture. This one is my favorite, along with the blue. The two together open up the sound in a refined way."

@Admin please put a Bullitt in it. 

For anyone who maybe interested, QSA has new stone items:  QSA Gemstones - Pack of 5 https://www.tweekgeek.com/qsa-gemstones-pack-of-5/

I also found it interesting that in the product description it says:

Red: Warmth, bloom, and decay

Clear: High frequencies, air, space. Good with tube components, not good with metal dome tweeters.

Blue: lower Mids and upper mids: Openness, texture, layering, transparency

(new) Black: Air, space, texture. This one is my favorite, along with the blue. The two together open up the sound in a refined way.

Clear: 'not good with metal tweeters.'

QSA stones, not personal opinions weather or not someone is part of someone's sales staff.

A shill is a "plant", a huckster. HE IS NEITHER. He speaks about the products HE owns and paid for.. No freebies.. No payed or bribed advertisement.. He likes the product..

ASK MC, he is an honest fellow, and a Agon member I personally like..

There is a point where it's as simple as "Jealousy brings unkind words".

Nothing to offer to the thread "LIKE" Repeat George. ZERO..

QSA Stones, have you tried them? I haven't.

Regards

I keep hearing the term "shill".
Doesn’t that imply someone has a vested interested in selling the product in question?

Who’s selling something here?

Go read MC posts he is a dealer for for a couple of these Tweak Guys, BDR Cones, Townsend Audio. If it walks like a duck….. guess we can just call them carnival barkers. 

I don’t care what you buy, where you buy it, and from whom you buy it. I don’t know if QSA tone-stones work, I’ve never tried them. 

I have tried several tweaks in my system that absolutely made a difference. 

But to never try something because you don’t think it could possibly work, and therefore shout from the mountaintops that whoever DOES try it is an idiot and wasting their money......well, kind of seems your opinion isn’t worth a whole lot to me. What do you care how much money I spend on and what I choose to try/buy? 

Could care less what you buy either. I have tried all this crap and guess what it did not work. Guess you have have an entry level Raven and Tektons for it to work….

I guess it’s whoever argues most (and loudest) in the most passive aggressive way wins? 

I have no doubt who the ignorant flat-earthers are in this thread.

You have no idea!  I guess MC wins every time then LOL NOT!

Maybe they can try their coloured rocks on these, and get some Technicolor going

https://ibb.co/JdYvmKs

I think I will try a red amp, blue pre-amp and purple speakers and see how that sounds. Why not?😉

I have never insulted anyone for spending money on whatever they please. I merely pointed out a few things that I believe are worth thinking about when considering an occult tweaker product.

MillerCarbon has shared some pretty well thought through opinions about just trusting your ears (assuming they’re any good) and not always searching for a scientific explanation for why something improves the sound-- but that does not mean that most or all of the "improvement" you hear with some of these products is not all in your head. After all, that’s where the music goes doesn’t it?

That said, with respect to vibration control, there is no question that quashing as many extraneous vibrations as possible will improve the sound of your system. I am committed to trying the nobb springs because of MillerCarbon’s writing on this subject.

I have two decent turntables-- a SOTA Star Sapphire VI with an Origin Live arm and Soundsmith Hyperion cartridge that plays at very loud volumes with little or no audible vibrational feedback-- played out to Genesis III floor-standing speakers and Genesis Servo-12 subs.

My other turntable, a MoFi Ultradeck, sits on a butcher block which sits on six Isoaccoustics Orea feet. This deck will cause some vibrational feedback above a certain volume level. This is the one I’m hoping I can improve with some nobb springs, or Townsend springs possibly.

Anyway, I try to focus on the obvious stuff-- most of that being my rooms deficiencies-- so vibration and reflection are the demons that I still wrestle with.

Rocks - The 3 C’s; Color, Cut and Cult….

No wonder she didn’t like that ring I got her..

My take is IF the placebo gets you high, buy em…..

@jerrybj,

Looking back on this thread, it looks like you had no problem cheering on others who threw out insults. Not to mention your own name calling. So please don't act like your so innocent. 

"Please elaborate on exactly what it means to be a flat-earther."

In this instance, I'll go with "I've never heard it, therefore it doesn't exist."

Happy Listening, folks.

@mr-m
Saying I disagree with you is not an attack.
It's an opinion.

Saying I spend my money foolishly is an attack.
That's an insult.

I’m always surprised by the claims made by occult tweaker products. I use the word "occult" because these products make big claims but always supply small to zero evidence to justify them. They’ll always tell you what you should "expect" to hear when you try them-- and that is part of the success of occult products-- the power of suggestion. You project differences that you think you hear onto the product-- often just cheap crap like rocks, paint, or "black box" specials. Saying rocks will make your system sound better because of some special "ju ju" that no can even begin to explain and back up with any credible evidence is the seed they plant in your mind-- then your mind does the rest. The "eye witness" theory-- as in, "I heard it so it must be so" is meaningless. Courts understand that even eyewitnesses are often very unreliable-- as memories can be altered just by thinking about them.

All that said, if you take a pill and feel better, it can be the pill, or it can be the placebo effect-- something very real but not very well understood. That effect is probably more real than the magical benefits of $80 rocks that cost very little and do even less-- other that to perhaps decrease some vibrations-- something most non-magical rocks can also do quite well.

As an aside-- those rocks look like crap for $80 apiece. If you’re going to rip people off selling dressed up rocks, at least slap a decent looking sticker on them and paint them a pretty color so that they don’t look like cow-sh!t yeah?

noske

To some the issue is about the ethics of making claims that cannot be substantiated in any objective manner.

This is a hobbyist's group, not a scientific forum. No one here owes anyone scientific proof of anything. If that's an "issue" for you, you may be in the wrong place.

The 'science' aspect of audio started disappearing when patch cords were re-named interconnects and PRaT was considered more valuable than data. 

Wake up boys and girls there's very little on this forum that's about the love of Music; it's a lot more about bling. 

@coralkong What do you care how much money I spend on and what I choose to try/buy?

....

I have no doubt who the ignorant flat-earthers are in this thread.

I don't think the primary issue is money - I now consider that to be something of a deflection.  To some the issue is about the ethics of making claims that cannot be substantiated in any objective manner.

This of course is applicable in many areas of our day to day living in a civilized society.

Please elaborate on exactly what it means to be a flat-earther.



  

@jerrybj,

Well, I've got you beat by several years. I responded to you because you made it personal and attacked me and another member.

As I said, spend your money as foolishly as you wish...

I keep hearing the term "shill".
Doesn’t that imply someone has a vested interested in selling the product in question?

Who’s selling something here?

I don’t care what you buy, where you buy it, and from whom you buy it. I don’t know if QSA tone-stones work, I’ve never tried them.

I have tried several tweaks in my system that absolutely made a difference.

But to never try something because you don’t think it could possibly work, and therefore shout from the mountaintops that whoever DOES try it is an idiot and wasting their money......well, kind of seems your opinion isn’t worth a whole lot to me. What do you care how much money I spend on and what I choose to try/buy? 

I guess it’s whoever argues most (and loudest) in the most passive aggressive way wins?

I have no doubt who the ignorant flat-earthers are in this thread.

@rocray Yes and as am I, but do you take to forums and shill for them at every turn? And basically call everyone an idiot that disagrees (and who have tried this junk). Vibration isolation works but Sticks, Stones, and Crystals nope total jive. (I tried to be a true believer but I don’t like kool-Aid and sent it all back or tossed it out). 

I’m glad I’m gainfully employed.  I get to spend my money as I see fit. Unless of course, spending money on tweaks adversely affects my social credit score.  LOL! ;-) 

it is tricky to prove a negative..

Unless you bring common sense into it.

No, that is not sufficient. What this is perhaps suggesting is that certain facts may be taken as truth because they are so well known or authoritatively tested that there can be no doubt.

Even that can be tricky in a variety of circumstances. A trite but well known example - there was no evidence of black swans before about 1800. They were unicorns. Common sense said no way, dude. Yet today they are (relatively) well known.

Check out the Wiki entry on Orgone. Whilst the subject of justified mirth (in hindsight), nevertheless some very substantial claims were based on its existence.

Anyway, the notion of what constitutes common sense is not universal as between different cultures or other metrics of consciousness, so that’s another hurdle not considered in my first paragraph, and quite possibly more important in the circumstances.

Yes, correct.
I am a noob.
It’s only been 45 years of buying stereo equipment..

So  @millercarbon you are part of the cancel culture.

Deplorable.

You are right t_ramey he should be banned. Maybe if enough of us request he will be? Meantime please report his abusive posts as what they are: abusive of other members and off-topic. If he wants to start a discussion about snake oil and shills he is free to do so. If he keeps wrecking discussions imposing his unwanted opinions and insults on us we are equally free to report him and request that he be

banned.

even more so than the fuse scam, which thank god is now under control.

Wow, a sigh of collective relief. Do you have some sales figures George? Has your tireless crusade finally made a dint into the ill gotten gains of those devious charlatans?

IF you had a stone that could FIX your screwed up system for 86.50 would you buy it?

Ok if it doesn’t work you can send it back.

The reason WHY they don’t tell you or any one else WHAT or WHY it works is pure and simple THEFT. They are not copyrighted, they are not intellectual property and they have no patent.

WHY on EARTH would I tell you how it works..

Buy it and Try it or send it back..

AS a manufacture of mushrooms I’m under no obligation to tell you or anyone how I grow my mushrooms. JUST if you DON’T die from eating them your lucky...

No Ticky, no laundry.

I’ve posted a lot of speaker repairs on this site just to erase them.. Why give away everything.. No one told me I’m dying just yet.. ;-)

Regards

 

it is tricky to prove a negative..

Unless you bring common sense into it.

Cheers George

If people want to chime in and tell other people how thing "can’t" work, then why chime in at all? If you have an explanation WHY, then share it and move on.

The same goes for everyone else that chimes in to explain everyone else’s ignorance or usually just calls everyone a liar. Their opinions and 5 dollars will get you a cup of coffee.

As a matter of general principle, the onus is placed on the person making a claim that in fact the claim has merit and has general application. This is a positive claim.

Others may then show cause as to any reason they may have doubt about the positive claim. This rebuttal may question any number of substantive and material facts that the claimant may make in support of their claim. Should this raise any doubts, the person making the claim is free to clarify, or seek to provide further information.

This approach is somewhat different to any claims that any tweak does *not* work. This is the scenario in the provided quote (roughly - the issues there are perhaps inadvertently conflated if you have read this far) and is an entirely different matter, and as some may know, it is tricky to prove a negative..

I use the green stones... until the moss dies and turns brown🙄

SIX out of the last 13 posts on the Recent page are by one person. He has nothing of value to say in any of those 6 posts. What he does have to say not only runs counter to the purpose of the discussion, it is derogatory and insulting as well. The overarching attitude is one of stubborn unyielding arrogance. Why oh why is this guy even allowed on the site?

You are right t_ramey he should be banned. Maybe if enough of us request he will be? Meantime please report his abusive posts as what they are: abusive of other members and off-topic. If he wants to start a discussion about snake oil and shills he is free to do so. If he keeps wrecking discussions imposing his unwanted opinions and insults on us we are equally free to report him and request that he be banned.

Stones would play, inside her head.....

It is an open forum not his personal blog.

phcollie
Thanks for the Link George. Upon further study I note that the seller of these items take careful care not to claim they actually work.
They use the phrase "These seem to ....." twice, and the phrase "these reach the upper mids".....which of course is a meaningless statement. A rock can not "reach" anything.
Legally, if they actually worked, the statement would read "These Do X,Y,Z." not "These Seem to Do X,Y,Z". This keeps them from legal exposure for running a scam.
It also keeps them from being shut down by their local regulatory body.
It is sad that these types of people do this....imagine some poor guy on fixed income being told,..."just buy more rocks and it will sound amazing."

Yes, just another scam this time with $86 rocks aimed at the gullible, thank god Audiogon saw fit to cull most of the $$$$ snake oil fuse threads now.

Hopefully this rock one won’t do too much damage to peoples pockets before it’s removed as well.

Cheers George

I pay out only on the product.
But also can give generously to the individual, when singled out.
(haven’t you learnt that yet)

Especially in light of the OP’s request…..

If you think this is all bunk, or can’t see how these type of things can have any impact on the sound,  it with some people.that’s fine, but I’ll politely ask you to refrain from making repeated posts to that effect. The QSA Stones are obviously not for you, nor is this thread directed towards you.

It appears politeness Just doesn’t cut it with some people……

Seeing you once again have to get personal, by calling me out

You deserve to blow your $200 on a 10cent rebadged fuse, even putting it up your nose would be more constructive to most.

Then you too can be like MC with 10 of every bit of snake oil plastered/taped/cable-tied all over your system and see where it gets you.

@georgehifi 
You have very little understanding in the meaning and use of the English language.
Saying I disagree with what you say is not personal.
And then you are rude in your response.

And your attempt to call people out? That's okay?
Hypocrite. Arrogant. Rude. 

IS GOING TO EFFECT THE SOUND

 That should be affect...btw