Prospectives on Chi-Fi
Putting politics aside this is a good opinion piece and I hope puts some things in prospective.
https://darko.audio/2023/04/think-made-in-china-is-a-turn-off-think-again/
We do have the ability to buy less from China. Getting some things from China doesn't mean you have to buy everything from China. There are plenty of companies in the US, Canada, Italy, France, Germany, etc manufacturing hi-fi gear in their own country of parts sourced mainly from their country. There are US companies that make toaster ovens, sheet pans, clothing, furniture, etc. I don't think having values and following them is virtue signaling. That's a put down. Buy Chinese if you want. Don't have to criticize those who do not do so to the best of their ability. There was a pre-walmart world at one time. |
Time for you and your falter ego to say bye-bye for now. In case anyone is wondering WTF is going on, juanmanuelfangioii started out like jeffstrick, being nice and polite while he inserted his venom into his posts only to get uglier and uglier as time went on. The same went for his other attempts. It always centered around the same topics that he lost the arguments over. He'd just come back, like a vengeful Phoenix, rising from the ashes, only to go down in flames again. As members here noticed the trend, they'd call him out on it and then the lid came off as his id exploded with his childish vulgarities and attitude. Soon his posts will vanish, like a fart in the breeze, only to come back later under another avatar. He's already signed off on another thread, decrying his situation but rest assured, he's sitting there, waiting for a response, so he can be his true self again. Get some popcorn and smoke 'em if you got 'em. All the best, |
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@thecarpathian feel much better went out back with my Springfield Saint and let is rip on some cases of Bud Light. Kid Rock is on to something. |
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@thecarpathian said "You forgot one. He was also juanmanuelfangioli. His latest persona is trying awfully hard to break the previous pattern of all his past banned usernames." 🤣😂🤣 I'm pretty sure this is a favorite bookmark Please help me find a new Audiogon user name |
WTF @thecarpathian No I am me and you are an class a ass! punkassbitch!!!!
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No offence over here in my part of the world. I even am a loyal Huawei user and can’t think of a better Phone for the money. General day to day luxuries such as a owned TV, Fridge/Freezer, Oven, Hob, Microwave, Washing Machine, Toaster, could not function and be such useful ancillaries for a simplified life, if they were not produced with parts from China or even produced in China. Items that I depend on to be quite safe such as My Vehicle, Bus, Train, Aeroplane, Medical Equipment would not be with Trusted and Dependable reputations unless there was something going on within their function that has been produced in China. It does seem quite strange there is a strong suggestion from those who feel seemingly threatened by the pricing to be found from Audio Products produced in China, that the items on offer are failures and should be overlooked in favour of Products Produced in China, but with this part of the Products History attempted to be concealed.
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@pindac In the performance motorcycle and automotive circles it often is. "Yes, I have injectors available for popular, rice, pasta and kraut, burner's." I did mean to offend. If I did, I apologize.
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Roxy54 beat you to it, by a mile @lordmelton Thanks though. I also enjoyed your perspectives on living in SE Asia and the PRC. Typing on iPhones sucks, and I often use voice to text. |
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Oh please! Give us all a break chicagoblues1977 > Earlflynn > Skypunk > Jerryg123 > whitefishpoint1175...and now, introducing jeffstrick! Don't act all shocked this has gone political, you are the worst offender
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I have had my suspicions about the reasoning behind the Term Chi-Fi being used. I have heard Dealers of Imports vehemently defend their Products and doing their best to alienate their own products, labeling them as a far superior Chi-Fi origin product than the usual to be found. In my mind the Term commenced as being a means to suggest low quality, and not necessarily a Slur on the Nation. Time can change things and the perspectives of thoughts once held. There is enough News Coverage to suggest that the Authorities in Western Countries are suspicious of China's Tech' Usage. I'll leave concerns about this to other's, the following is a statement made by another, that does have a certain appeal. "An ugly trend has developed on social media and in some audio forums regarding “Chi-fi” and we think there needs to be a wider community discussion about its use. Whether we want to acknowledge or not, the use of the phrase “Chi-fi” has derogatory connotations. It was originally coined to reference the start-up Chinese audio industry and even then, it came with the understanding that the products being labeled as such were inferior to their more developed counterparts coming from the United States, Canada, U.K, France, Germany, Italy, Denmark, and Japan. It parallels the early days of Japanese car sales in North America when it was not uncommon to hear them referred to as “Jap Junk” which was more blatantly racist and derogatory but also carried roughly the same sentiment. For those who would argue that the term is merely a reference to where the products are being made, I ask the question, then why do we not have Kor-fi, Ger-fi, US-fi, and Jap-fi? We don’t identify other products by country of origin which goes to negate part of that argument. The remainder of the argument can be quickly called out by the fact that people are quick to exclude certain Chinese-made products (HiFiMan as one example) as not qualifying as Chi-fi. If some products are excluded, what are the grounds for inclusion in the class? Obviously, it isn’t just the country of origin that is being used to make the distinction. The term isn’t applied to Western brands whose products are produced in China. Many American, Canadian, and British brands have production facilities in China including KEF, NAD, Wharfedale, Quad, PSB, Cambridge Audio, Polk, and many others. Consumers seem perfectly fine buying those products manufactured in China because that reality saves them money. What about companies that source parts from China but then assemble them elsewhere? " |
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Living in South East Asia for 35 years and spending extended periods of time in Mainland China since the early '90s when you could only buy a black or brown pair of shoes and people were just transitioning from Chairman Mao's denim suits. Urine and feces was still collected in buckets in the streets in the evening and shipped to the farms, flush toilets didn't exist outside of big hotels. Western corporations have made trillions of dollars enslaving the Chinese peasants to work 50 weeks per year for a pittance, but China's main resource is people. That's why you can get your Topping for chump change or why Apple can pocket billions and get their products made for slave wages. Apple are now moving to India, Vietnam, Thailand etc., to mitigate the risk of long term employees wanting retirement and redundancy payments. I could go on and on but Slavery 1.0 has come back to haunt you. Slavery 2.0 will be a lot worse. Chinese HIFI manufacturers aren't war-mongers but in China everything is State owned and just like the US uses your tax dollars for whatever it likes, with zero accountability, so can China. On a positive note people who wear fake designer goods are a laughing stock. Wearing a fake Rolex shows you're a fool, so I have every confidence that people will forget the Chinese copies and low rent products and buy good gear. Pride of ownership is an important part or our hobby. Taiwan is not in China, but it maybe soon.
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Yes, the factual, obvious and nagging truth that the former guy has over 100 copyrights from China and he and his daughter had 18 fast tracked to them in 2 months time when he was in office. He always liked a sucker. All the best, |
1 I don’t know who lordmelton is ...but he sounds idiotic. 2 I have a Line Magnetic Audio Integrated amp and a Denafrips DAC, both have performed flawlessly and the LM was serviced with zero issues under warranty. 3 The US cut dirty deals with China over decades, not any one administration is at fault, many are. |
Lord Melton's post has nothing to do with Chi-Fi. Just for the record, I was worse off under the prior administration. Even my paltry 2017 tax cut has expired. Now for on-topic: My "American" branded Revel speakers are owned by a S. Korean conglomerate and manufactured in the PRC. My "Japanese" branded Rotel CD player was manufactured in the PRC. My "English" branded Cambridge Audio amp was manufactured in the PRC. My only non-Chi-Fi components are a 1978 vintage Philips turntable, made in Belgium, and a 1982 vintage Luxman tuner, made in Japan. Who ultimately pushed for relaxing trade and manufacturing barriers? Western capitalists. Who suffered as a result, western workers. Who were the ultimate deciders? Western consumers. Now there are Chinese components in everything from Rolls Royces to $25 desktop chip amps. The interplay between the the Chinese and US economies is now equivalent to the "Balance of Terror" there used to be between the US and the USSR during the cold war. |
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Lord Melton should be honored, respected, and acknowledged for bravely, boldly, and fearlessly expressing a political viewpoint with I am sure full advance knowledge that he would be insulted, ridiculed, and marginalized. Many are too weak, ignorant, or brainwashed to attempt such a feat, yet Lord Melton would not be swayed, cowered, influenced to hide from the truth as he sees it and instead thrusts it forward for all to digest. Well done Lord MELTON DO NOT LET THE OTHERS SILENCE YOUR BRAVERY |
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I’m not a fan of Made in China even though :
So yes, I’m a firm supporter of Made in the U.S.A., Canada, & Mexico. But I’m not a Trumper. My own job was outsourced to China many years ago. I don’t like anything made in China BUT......we don’t have a choice really. Now I’ve never been to China (but that would be a cool trip though), or socialized with their people (other than friends here in the U.S. & Canada). So my perspective is probably jaded and one sided. People here in North America buy this crap regardless of the risk involved. Did I mention that various U.S.Companies get their I.P. stolen and turned into products for sale usually for the Asian market. Knockoff Audio products just like knockoff Gucci Bags. |
It would be great if I could buy a DAC made in the USA that has the same quality build and sound as my Denafrips Venus II. Do any of you know of any? Not sure why some focus on origin instead of product quality and sound. I would love to know if there is another R2R DAC that is built as well and sounds as great for the same money? |
The last thing I need from Srajan is a lecture on how evil Western Civilization has been. I know the OP said "politics aside", but Srajan made that hard to do. I own some ChiFi, and I am happy with it, but that doesn't mean I am happy supporting a country that enslaves people, harvests organs from political prisoners, and is on the cusp of invading Taiwan and dominating the planet with it's fascist and communist economy and complete lack of liberty. No, the West isn't perfect, but I bet there are about a billion Chinese that would like to live here. How many in the West want to relocate to the PRC? |
