Poor Fritz

Thank you to everyone who has given kenjit fuel to derail yet another thread and turn it into Kenjit theater.

Your constant stream of engagement has turned this thread into something far from the helpful positive place I tried to start it.

Please, take a bow people.

ladies and gentlemen
boys and girls

like most deeply troubled internet forum trolls, their getting the response, getting ’a rise’ out of the crowd IS the objective - focused on their unfortunate inner need

only way to defeat is to ignore completely... emphasis on completely

doing anything more is to feed into a ’co dependency’ - part of what is being craved - thus YOU become part of the problem not the solution

ok? got it?

now, lets cue up some heavenly music... let's enjoy this lovely evening

"Amps make no difference. I have heard dozens of amps at home and in stores. Cabling makes no difference at all."

Disqualified.  

Why do you guys continue to engage in commentary with him versus simply moving past his dialogue

Forget perfection.
Has kenjit ever even praised any actual speaker (or anything else audio) that you can buy?

Maybe not so much on your bose cubes.

@mofojo 

I don't have any Bose cubes. And when did I ever say that i was using Bose cubes to try to hear the differences between amps and dacs? You're just making things up in order to try to insult me but you have now failed because the assumptions you made were FALSE.

I think everyone's IQ is now down to that of kenjits. 
Leave this thread while you can.🤪 👀 

False. Incorrect as usual.
Amps make a huge difference.
DACs make a  definite audible difference.

Maybe not so much on your bose cubes. 

And lastly, I don’t think you’d even know what perfection was if it slapped you across the face, which by the way, I’d pay good money to see.

and you would? How? 

Also, I have never ever seen you talk about amps, preamps, dacs or cabling.

I start with the thing that makes the biggest difference which is speakers. 
Amps make no difference. I have heard dozens of amps at home and in stores. Cabling makes no difference at all. 

Why cant you tell me what the bad aspects of the Fritz speakers are? All i have ever heard you do is extol the virtues of speakers but never any criticisms

Quite fond of Decwares approach to audio components.

And for the DUMMIES who think making a speaker is simple for a small manufacturer, have a look at this. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khUFKRlRm44&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3Z1keBsc2lZMUJ9TYerr27n...

So yeah, you think they are gouging us? I think not. These are objects made out of passion. And, after setting up a shop, designing/testing/re-testing and finally going into production, its going to take a while before a decent living can be made.

Never mind the time it takes to develop the skills necessary to understand how a component works, the cause and effect of making changes, having the ability to decipher what is heard and how to fix, you also need the physical skill to actually build the thing.

These folks are not pumping out a 1000 speakers a day

There are some here who can just shove it with their opinions, cause they don't know $h11T

Wow. Perfection will never be reached in any walk of life of any physical thing. So your argument is false Kenjit. People should be comparing speakers to each other because there is no perfection. Ok.... box uh rocks

criminal as in deplorable.I stand by that statement. If you are a regular reader of this site you will realize that there are no negative reviews or posts EVER. Perhaps they are all deleted just like many of my posts, that mysteriously disappear? If you look at any speaker companys website the same pattern emerges, No matter cheap the speaker is, you will never see anything negative being said about it.
It is deplorable that speaker companies can make any claim they like and produce no evidence whatsoever. I refuse to apologize for trying to reveal these nasty facts to the wider community of audiophiles.

Duke, 

The goal of speaker design is PERFECTION. If you cannot or will not agree to that, you are in the wrong job. It is all about winning and trying to outdo the competition. There is a war going on and YOU yourself as a speaker engineer are a part of this whether you know it or not. Which faction do you belong to Duke? I have only one interest and that is to find perfection. 

I am not interested in how wonderful the KEF meta LS50s sound, or how wonderful the Audiokinesis Ginas sound. I wanna know how BAD THEY ARE! I wanna uncover all the dirty secrets that so many people are desperate to suppress. Show me why they are flawed and tell me how they can be improved! 

Erik, 

I still haven't been told what improvements you could do to the SNR1 which incidentally were heavily criticized by the engineers over on diyaudio. Feel free to share your thoughts. 

I knew a lady who made violins, violas and cellos.  She was a silver medalist in the US.  I loved the sound of her instruments, and the horror stories she had over selling direct were such that she never sold direct even to friends.  The care and feeding of the musicians was so great she couldn't possibly make violins AND take care of them, and this was in fact something her dealers did very well.

This is also something I think about when I think of Fritz and other one-person shops.  They not only have to make the speakers, they have to market them, they have to put up with people nickel and dime ing them, criticizing them like they would do no major brand, and deal with the entire sales process.

I simply cannot imagine wanting to be in that business at all, so if you find a bespoke speaker maker you like and trust and buy from, please, treat them well.


Best,


Erik

@b_limo 

Do the Fritz have any weaknesses in sound quality? What improvements could be made if the speakers were sold for ten times their current price?

@b_limo Thanks for the clarification. It makes sense.

Fritz explained to me that there is too much risk with floorstanding speakers because if 1 is damaged in shipping, you have to re-veneer both in order to get the veneer bookmatched.  I also think that the floorstanding ones got damaged more than the smaller monitors.  
He packages his speakers really well but I could see being concerned about damaging floorstanding speakers.

I’m sure Fritz would build a pair of floorstanding speakers but you’ll pay and there will be no trial or refund.  

not sure what he is winning..WHINING maybe..totally non-productive inputs.I like to LOBE right past his posts

Kenjit if you can complain this much about the speaker industry, I wonder what you think of the recording Industry?

@simao 

He has in the past but they are special order only.  I own M3TM's and Carrera Be's and they are a completely different type of speaker.  

Omg... This kenjit is a trip... We sure this is not an alter ego of... You know who?

You wonder how these people function in society.... If they even do... 

Question: I’ve wondered about Fritz for awhile now. I have a pair of Spatial M3 Turbo S’s that are completely satisfying, but I wish Fritz offered a floorstander. Does he? or do his monitors compare to the Spatials?

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He has come to the stark realization that there is no way that even he could build a speaker that would make him happy.

He has actually come to the realization that THEY, i.e. the criminal speaker industry, is unable to satisfy his ultra high standards due to their incompetence and low standards. 

You are right that he is miserable but only because he has been betrayed by the speaker industry by false grand promises of high sound quality for years and years which were never realized.

He is the epitome of an audiophile yet is victimized by his fellow audiophiles. How ironic.

It must be hell being that miserable. I have never seen anything quite like it. He is clearly not capable of doing better himself than what he criticizes. He can't tune a speaker to his own ears, he can't build the perfect speaker, he can't design a crossover, he doesn't know what measurements matter, he doesn't know how to design and build a cabinet. If he could, he would have done it. He has come to the stark realization that there is no way that even he could build a speaker that would make him happy. 

No they are not.

Oh yes they are!   Go figure!

I can't decide if what I most like about kenjit is:

He complains about everything

or

He has yet to actually demonstrate anything better


This bs sandwich has a broad range of flavors.

They are close enough for me

No they are not. They are not even full range. They suffer from lobing just like other speakers. Nobody would buy Wilson or Magico or Vivid if the Fritz were superior. So lets be realistic.

They are close enough for me. 

Fritz never said that his speakers were perfect and flawless.   Only a few manufacturers have told me that at shows and their speakers generally were very imperfect.  Fritz builds really nice smaller speakers for a reasonable price.  

Yes.  

Nobody should buy a fritz until they are told about what aspects of the sound quality are BAD. 

All people have done so far is extol the virtues of Fritz speakers as if to say they are PERFECT all the while knowing that they are not perfect. 

So does anybody dare to criticize the great master speaker designs of Fritz or are his speakers PERFECT AND FLAWLESS?

OK, since no one will read the actual definition, comparable is not EQUAL IN ALL WAYS.

For instance, a VW Tiguan is comparable to a Subaru Forrester.

And yet again, people are nit picking the poor man's great value speakers in ways they would not for a famous badge.

From my knowledge, Fritz does not use modified drivers.  What he does have is great knowledge of the different drivers.  He stays up to date with any revisions made to drivers as well. He memorizes the weights of the cones and which drivers use what drive systems.  He understands that Seas Excel Drivers, while being great, and drivers he has and will use, actually ring above a certain frequency.  In order to overcome that ringing, you need to make a more complicated crossover.  Fritz likes to use the highest quality drivers and keep his crossovers as simple as possible.  
Fritz is a speaker chef.  He knows what ingredients to put together in order to create delicious dishes.  The ingredients are the drivers he pairs together, the seasoning is his crossovers, the dish is his speakers as a whole.  His house sound, to me at least, is like those vintage speakers in their warmth, tone and fullness, combined with the accuracy, imaging, detail (sparkle and shimmering- Carreras) and accuracy of a thoroughly modern speaker.   

Some things in life are more special than the sum of their parts.  Fritz’s speakers are one of those things.  His Carreras are awesome and if you are on the fence, just get a pair already.  Im sitting here listening to them right now and I promise you, you would love what I’m hearing.  I’ve spent hundreds of hours listening to good sound at Audio Shows so I have some frame of reference.  Fritz knows how to build a high quality, fun to listen to, rock the house monitor speaker at a cost that I don’t think can be matched except for a few rare others (tekton, salk, etc).

+1

Some people look at a speaker from a photo and make assumptions on parts and materials used inside, and the manufacturer total cost for each component used. It’s not always comparable in function, sound, or cost just because it looks the same from the outside.  

Because the DIY public doesn't keep their doors open the large scale manufactures do.

 Dynaudio and others were doing this for years with Totem and other manufacturers starting out with custom quality wound voice coils, better magnets, or surrounds, and different baskets in special circumstances

Why arent these supposedly better versions already being produced and offered for sale to the public then? 

When in doubt, look it up:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/comparable?s=t

My original sentence was correct.

@erik_squires
"... who uses comparable drivers".

How do we know they are "comparable"? Maybe his drivers are better than standard versions...

It’s not entirely impossible Fritz has as special order line made to spec for his particular drivers - on some models. Dynaudio and others were doing this for years with Totem and other manufacturers starting out with custom quality wound voice coils, better magnets, or surrounds, and different baskets in special circumstances for some "signature" models requested by the builder. I’d bet the cost of the Be tweeter alone used in his Carerras is more than what some may have guessed until looking closer.

Not saying this is the case with Fritz for his tweeters or woofers. It could be though...However, as you mentioned its easy for "armchair" folks to make assumptions on the cost of the drivers, or get one digit off on a model number on a part and not realize when higher grade version drivers and components are used by a builder in a particular speaker. As already mentioned, same goes for internal crossover parts people never see, not fully understanding true cost of what’s on the inside.

Fritz?  Great Guy and Great Speakers!  Have owned a pair of Carbon 7 for 8 years.  Very pleased.  Since COVID has basically shut down our travel plans for 2020 I have decided to treat myself to a pair of Carrera’s. Why Fritz speakers?  Well aside from his pleasant personality, I enjoy dealing with a great craftsman, who loves what he does, that produces a high quality product that completely meets my expectations.
For the last 8 years I have been shuffling different gear and cables in and out of my audio setup.  The only gear that has remained through those years are Fritz’s Speakers.  

Without a doubt, his speakers are excellent

This is exactly the thing I meant.

People are nit picking Fritz in a way no one would analyze Wilson, B&W or Joseph Audio, or Magico.

Because he's a small shop, who uses comparable drivers, suddenly a handful of arm chair speaker builders (whose opinions on this subject are entirely questionable) we are asking him to get special parts for the purchase cost.

Give me a break.  No one sells parts for even retail.  You can't run a business this way and it's not worth the phone call. 


Best,


Erik