Phono cable recommendations - high performance good value cable
I also use the ART-9 cartridge. Check out stereolux finewire c37 tonearm cable by Heiko Wingender. His tonearm cables is used by some tonearm manufacturers like Reed, Durand and Thomas Schick for the internal wiring of their tonearms. I have used it too and I find it "honest". I find it clean, transparent and It doesn't play around with the tonality of the signal. |
I'm running a VPI prime with the AT ART9. Grover Huffman's take on phono cable features is superior shielding is desireable for the low current application of TT to preamp with moving coil. Here's the blurb from his website: Also available my state of the art Phonograph cable both in DIN and standard RCA. Utilizing a painstakingly developed active carbon, tungsten, nickel shield that minimally affects the low voltage signal of moving coil cartridges. Additionally a second shield of active woven copper mesh combine to make this cable impervious to any interference. All I can tell you is mine sounds fantastic and images like a champ. He has a 60 day no-risk return policy. |
My first move away from "conventional cables" involved Stager Silver Sonic IC's - great bang for the buck I then upgraded the RCA's on the Stagers to KLE Innovations Silver Harmony - excellent upgrade. more clarity, better bass control and better image Then I tried KLE Innovations gZero3 IC's - a vast improvement. I've gone as high as the gZero20 and each model provides discernible improvements The entire KLE Innovations lineup are a little on the expensive side - but they work - much better than the competition. Regards - Steve |
I'm in the same boat, looking for a great bang for the buck phono cable. The cheap one I got with my VPI Scout Prime is picking up all sorts of interference resulting in a bad hum at higher volumes. I have a $100 Pro-ject Connect-It cable on order but wondering if I can do better for a little more $$$. Suggestions welcome! |
If a cable is picking up "interference" that indicates you need a cable with better shielding. There might be no other problem with the cable you are using besides lack of adequate shielding. However, if you really do have "hum" at high volumes, that may be due to inadequate grounding somewhere in the system. This has nothing to do with interference or shielding, unless the cable is running near a transformer or some such device that radiates EMI, in which case shielding would help. "Hum" has a fairly strict definition, a monotone with a frequency of around 60Hz to 120Hz. If that's what you've got, check out your ground connections or try re-routing your cable between the tonearm and the phono input. |
I'm going to try a different interconnect, but will be surprised if that solves the issue. I've tried everything I can think of with respect to grounding. I've unplugged everything but the VPI and Rega Brio amp, tried a different outlet, tried bypassing my Furman power conditioner, tried using a three to two prong adapter, checked the ground cables (the hum gets way louder when the ground is removed, and also when I touch the cable from the tonearm to the rca jacks). The hum disappears when I touch both of the rca cable jacks from the VPI. It gets louder as volume is turned up on the amp. Also feels like I'm getting some static energy when I touch the tonearm to change a record. My dealer is going to come check it out if the new interconnect doesn't help. Thiughts? |
thanks to pani and others pani - very much appreciate your AT ART 9 thread... it lead me to this wonderful wonderful cartridge all inputs are valued... much to try next few months... reasonably priced cabling makes trial and error much more affordable!!! i also bought some of zu’s current audioconnects - they have rarely disappointed me! |
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@jjss49 i also bought some of zu’s current audioconnects - they have rarely disappointed me! I use Zu Audio Mission Phono MKII with WBT nextgen RCAs and it's wonderful cable, i'm runnin' Lustre GST-801 toneam with Zu Mission Phono mkII cable, i'm so happy about this combination. The Lustre 801 was rewired internally with Discovery Cable. As Pani said Finewire C37 is also a good option, i have C37 Standard (the cheapest) and top C37 Cryo with KLE on Reed. But it's more fun to swap cartridges, no cables. |
My table cable tale: The original DIN plug cable on my "vintage" Linn Basik/Akito table had rat bites on it when I bought it a few years ago…really…the cable still worked, but man. So in a quest for a replacement I went to my local "audio salons" including Goodwin's High End and nobody had a cable in stock, or seemed very interested in getting one for me…seriously. So to the web I went, and found a Jelco someplace with a gold plated DIN and RCAs utilizing Mogami "Neglex 2534" cable. In a weird pink color (except for the black ground wire). This cable destroyed any pesky cartridge related "dimmer hum" (I have dimmers here and there but my dead quiet system utilizes various bespoke power supplies and hum buster items to make that a non issue), and sounds much better than the stock cable ever did…highly recommended. |
thanks all for your various input bought some of heiko's c37 cryo finewire... they are on their way from germany ...currently enjoying the zu audio missions... rest of my system is zu varial interconnects (with mapleshade speaker wires)... so it will be stable control for seeing what difference if any the c37 makes... |
I found this thread doing a search on the KLE silver rca plugs. Williwonka's post above is exactly my situation. I've purchased Stager silver solid ic's and recently found their limits. They are solid core conductors, but I'm still getting some harsh/brightness in my system that is removed when I replace them with Morrow cables containing KLE silver plugs. So I wondered if replacing the metal plugs that Stager uses might help, and it looks like willy found the answer for me. |
@jjss49 bought some of heiko's c37 cryo finewire... they are on their way from germany ...currently enjoying the zu audio missions... rest of my system is zu varial interconnects (with mapleshade speaker wires)... so it will be stable control for seeing what difference if any the c37 makes... So what do you think ? I also use several Zu Audio Mission Phono cables, i just cut the RCA's on one side to solder DIN for my tonearms. This cable is great for MM cartridges, but not so good for LOMC (IMO). I got the better MK2 version of this Zu Audio cable too, the MK2 comes with High-End WBT RCAs and Cardas DIN. I have to think about cables again, because i have more tonearms now. Cables for LOMC is more critical. I have standard FineWire C37 removed from my Reed 3P toneam (it was upgraded to cryo version with KLE RCAs). So i just soldered DIN to this standard FineWire c37 and i can use it now on different tonearms. I wish to buy more cables! FineWire c37 is the most reasonably priced along with Signal Cable Silver Resolution (Phono Ref.) This Silver Resolution is the best cable money can buy, i don't care about those cheap RCA as they can be replaced. But for my new tonearm i need RCA to RCA phono cable (not DIN), must be very well shielded for LOMC cartridges. The only problem is that i do not have any other silver connectors in my system. Maybe it's not a good idea to mix silver with copper? |
@ricpan yes, i've heard only good things about Signal Cables from experienced agudiogon members. It will be hard to find any other quality cables at this price (made in USA). PRICE for Silver Phono 2ft Set (RCA to RCA + Ground)
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"I tried an Audio Sensibility ’Impact’ phono cable and did not like it. It added some coloration, reduced fine details and introduced a slight smearing over the standard issue Jelco JAC 501 cable. I used it for over a long weekend but hadn't the patience to let it "burn in" any longer." Shows you what a subjective hobby this can be. My experience was exactly the opposite. To be fair, though, I was using the Jelco JAC 506, which is the balanced version (same wire but balanced and different connectors, XLR's obviously). I bought one of Steve's cables for a 2nd tonearm/mono setup that I was doing and was so impressed with it that I bought another and stopped using the 506 (if anyone wants it, it would be available at a reasonable price). It was a pretty fair, apples to apples comparison as well: I had cryoed the Jelco cable and it was also burned in on an Audiodharma cable cooker by Gene at Takefive Audio. The Audio Sensibility cables are also cryoed and I paid the nominal fee to have the Impact(s) burned in (Steve also uses the Audiodharma) as it is well worth it IMO, especially with something like a phono cable. I found the (balanced version at least) Impact to be a pretty big step up from both the Jelco and a previous balanced cable that Gene at Takefive had made for me a number of years before using Cardas wire and phono DIN with Vampire XLR's. |
It's all about cable resonances. The very small signal from the cart and from the transformer will and does generate resonances in all the components. A cable must either reduce the resonances or let them pass. Every cable hs different resonances so what works well in one system and set of components over a given distance might not sound good in another set of circumstances. So the bottom line is to try several different cables to see what works best in YOUR system. Personally, I use Herron Audio interconnects throughout my system. They work extremely well for me. I'm using all Herron Audio components and do not use a step-up transformer. These cables may no longer be available (check with Herron Audio). But that's just MY system. YMMV and probably will. |
bpoletti It’s all about cable resonances. The very small signal from the cart and from the transformer will and does generate resonances in all the components. A cable must either reduce the resonances or let them pass.How do you know there is resonance in a cable? How do you measure the resonance? At what frequencies are these resonances?How does a cable "reduce the resonances?" |
@cleeds There is resonance in EVERYTHING! That resonance impacts sound quality and can interact with other components regardless of their isolated measurements. If you consider what a resonance is, then you can answer your own questions. I assume you are capable of that since a resonance is a resonance. |
I bought the Audio Sensibility Statement cable for my SME 20/2 w IV tonearm and have been enjoying the sound very much. Very detailed sound without any grain or edge. Some folk hate on cables with silver content in them but to my ears they make sense. This cable makes sense, and it cost only around $400. |
may seem ridiculous to the price perception proposition but i have not been able to find a phono cable (turntable to preamp) that sounds better than this one- The ART POP ($12 for 0.5 Meter) https://www.kabusa.com/frameset.htm?/wirewin.htm I have not been able to beat it in terms of neutrality, dynamics and clean sound. Used with numerous cartridges- ART9, DV20X2L, 2M Black, Ortofon MCs etc. I have tried a sampling of cables under $300 and have had to send them all back including - Chord, Nordost, Kimber and some sole proprietor guys I will not mention out of respect. Believe it or don't. |
