New Synergistic Product: Tuning Discs

I'm reminded of a dog chasing its tail. Not smart enough to understand it's impossible and only gives up when exhausted.

Moral of the story, don't get sucked in by false marketing and professional reviewers who are only interested in the next buck and a dime.

Double goes when science is unable back it up.

Placebo effect is one thing....Nocebo effect work too...

If someone decided that some change in his system cannot affect the sound his brain will CONFORM the sensory apparatus and will negate the effect of the change which will not be observed not even registered ...

@mahgister you raise a very important point that is overlooked by many. Expectation bias works in both directions.

@wesheadley does raise a valid point that I do find disturbing, and that is the ongoing censorship of objectivist views that have been posted on this thread. It is rather deflating to read a post critiquing another post which is no longer available to read. While I do not agree with many of those statements that have been made, I feel that the constant deletion of posts that may be contrary to any particular philosophy or view is not conducive to informed debate on any issue.

I realise that this entire thread was taken down at one point, and can only surmise that there must be censors out there that span the entire audio political spectrum. In my view it would be nice if we could use debate as a preferential mode of expression.

@pesky_wabbit  well said 👍

Oh thee optimistic and or pessimistic personalities which date back since the beginning of time itself. I will agree on this though … the deletion of posts and thread removals only to be reincarnated or never to be seen again, is always a disturbing one. Good thing our lives are not in jeopardy here … therefore I’m always willing to try.

ongoing censorship of objectivist views

Objectivist views?? Of what? Of something that has not been released yet, and the dude never tried? I thought objectivism is about trying objectively something, not about having an opinion on something that they never laid eyes or hands on. This is very funny 😄 It sounds like your definition of fair and objective is drawn upon 4chan sites

Oh… and the admins here would never delete anything unless it was violating one or more of their policies, including:

Abusive towards another member

‘Explicit or violent content

Contains profanity

@pedroeb 

The “man” is constantly trying to stick it to us all, right?

There is no such thing as honesty and integrity, right?

(My experience has shown me those who do not trust others are not particularly trustworthy themselves. They think everyone else, thinks like them) 

We have zero capability of assessing, evaluating or deciding for ourselves, right?

Only you understand and can see the “truth” that eludes the rest of us sheep, right?

This isn’t ivermectin, there is zero risk here. It’s an audio tweek that comes with a money back guarantee. This is a forum for audiophiles where ideas, methods and products are supposed to be discussed, experiences shared and experimentation done so as to better our listening experience. Guess you are not an audiophile? After getting a perfectly linear amp, with .000000001 THD, SNR of 100000db, plugging your ruler flat speakers into it (with lamp cords obviously) and listening to a cd, there is nothing further to discuss. After achieving those all important numbers, the only thing remaining is to discuss how it looks? Wonder how long it will take before the gazpacho police show up and tell us how the gear should look, too.
The ability to assess and evaluate requires a couple of important parts of the human psyche, such as self confidence, knowing and trusting your own senses, learning how to fully use those senses to evaluate and of course, not throwing all those ideas in the book burning pile before being able to asses. Goodness knows informing oneself is a baaaaaaad idea.
 

No need to burn them, they come with a money back guarantee. 

Oh… and the admins here would never delete anything unless it was violating one or more of their policies, including:

Abusive towards another member

‘Explicit or violent content

Contains profanity

That is very funny. Unless you're being ironic.

I and many others have had posts deleted that violated nothing. Not even close. But poof, off they went. While some of the nastier posts that violated practically every policy at once remains for all to read.

Wonder how long it will take before the gazpacho police show up and tell us how the gear should look, too.

Good one!

Men are lookers … just sayin. You’ve been gazpacho policed

Not sure what you @thecarpathian are talking about. I quickly revisited the past couple of pages, and all the posts from Wesheadly are still here. Nothing I can tell he posted that was removed. What was removed?

I do see some posts removed, but not his posts. And I think the posts have to be reported by users for Audiogon to review them for deletion. We know who does the “report” button often, don’t we?

We have zero capability of assessing, evaluating or deciding for ourselves, right?

then why does something contrary to your views have to be removed from sight if you are so critically astute?

Guess you are not an audiophile? 

another critically robust conclusion drawn from three brief paragraphs of text. Why not try reading my posts before you put your foot in your mouth again..

not throwing all those ideas in the book burning pile 

try looking in the mirror

     Don’t waste a microsecond, reading the blather from the deaf, empirically delusional, and/or doctrinally divergent.

     No one can tell you whether/how your system, room and/or ears might respond to some new addition.   There are simply too many variables.

     LIKEWISE: no one can possibly know whether a new addition (ie: some kind of disc, crystal, fuse, interconnect, cable, etc)  will make a difference, in their system and room, with their media and to their ears, without trying them for themselves.   

     Some companies offer a 30 Day Satisfaction Guarantee, so- those that are actually interested, have absolutely nothing to lose, by trying (experimenting with) such.     

     Anyone that knows anything about the sciences, realizes that something like 96% of what makes up this universe, remains a mystery.       

     For centuries; humanity’s seen, heard, felt and otherwise witnessed phenomena, that none of the best minds could explain, UNTIL they developed a science or measurement, that could explain it.     

     The Naysayer Church wants you to trust their antiquated science (1800’s electrical theory) and faith-based, religious doctrine, BLINDLY ("Trust ME!"). 

     Theories have never proven or disproven anything.  It’s INVARIABLY testing and experimentation that proves or disproves theories/hypotheses.   

    IF you’re interested in the possibility of improving your system’s presentation, have a shred of confidence in your capacity for perceiving reality and trust your own senses: actually TRY whatever whets your aural appetite, FOR YOURSELF.         

                      The Naysayer Church HATES it, when THAT happens! 

Thyname,

Ah, I should have been more specific.

I’m referring to the forum in general, not one particular thread.

I didn’t realize you were alluding to certain posts on this one.

My apologies if any small animals were injured as a result of my mistake.

My apologies if any small animals were injured as a result of my mistake.

That’s not nice. No need to be sarcastic.

Not sure why you are attacking me on this. Someone stated the “objectivists’” posts were removed. I observed those posts from Wesheadly were not removed. That’s the extent of it. Now I see some posts were removed. Likely from the “other side” of the discussion. I know when Pesky Rabbit and the Tsushima start posting, it gets very toxic. Every single thread these two (or is it one dude with two handles?) participate. They tend to only participate in certain threads. It’s when they start posting, that the thread goes sideways and becomes toxic. That’s when I stop following. It’s time for me to do the same for THIS thread. They ruined it

I’m not attacking you at all.

That was a failed attempt at humor. No sarcasm intended.

Sometimes things are funnier in my head than when put into practice.

@thyname, you’d need one outstanding photographic memory in quoting deleted posts. Even when following one thread very closely with very few pages. I find your statement or asking of unrealistic. 

yeah, using debate as a preferential mode of expression to censorship, really threatening to some it would seem, good to see you go @thyname 

please be good to your promise..

@thyname … Being thin skinned and  a high sense of moral indignation rarely

go well together out in big bad forum land.

 no one can possibly know whether a new addition (ie: some kind of disc, crystal, fuse, interconnect, cable, etc)  will make a difference, in their system and room, with their media and to their ears, without trying them for themselves.

Amen

“Theories have never proven or disproven anything. It’s INVARIABLY testing and experimentation that proves or disproves theories/hypotheses.”

Excellent point, very well said. I would add that this kind of testing and experimentation can be done anywhere by anyone. Not just in controlled, laboratory like circumstances and conditions.

You can know that you don’t care for sure. 

Once again, these threads start going off topic.

I only posted this thread to share my opinion of a seemingly small disc that does perform quite well.

Some of the posts remind me of a time when I was power cord denier. I mean how can a 4–6-foot length of a power cord make a difference when there are potentially miles of wire leading to my house? There is no way I could believe it.

One day a salesman offered me to try a Synergetic Master coupler. Knowing that it would do nothing other than cost me money, I reluctantly took it home.

Once plugged in I couldn’t believe it. There was more bass and more of everything! How can this be?

Well, that was the start of my journey down the road of keeping an open mind when it comes to this hobby.

So here we go again with the same type of attitude, closed minds believing it can’t be true.

At this point, I believe in a few days I will ask Tammy to remove this thread. It is creating too much hostility. Those of you later on that try these discs can post your own opinions elsewhere.

ozzy

Ozzy, are you using them with Townshend cables?

The material might be Shungite perhaps or similar? I’ve been meaning to try Shungite, so this reminds me.

Yes, my speaker cables are 1M of the Townshend F-1 Fractal cables. I'm not really sure what the conductor is. Interconnects are 3M Shunyata Sigma V2.

ozzy

@ozzy 

I see no reason for you to take your thread down.

It is your thread in which you are writing about your subjective experiences with this product thereby opening up a debate upon said product.

However we live in a democratic society,  as is this forum … ergo is it realistic to expect that every respondent will be favourably minded  toward an unexplained product with properties unknown to science, and only expect enthusiastic comment from the membership as a whole?

Que the “ Why are you in this thread weenering posts  “

Well … Its a Democracy , and those folks are entitled to post their opinion without being ganged up on by the usual * How Very Dare You* cabal ( yes you know who you are 😉) 

I hope that you keep your thread up and running and post your own considerations regardless.

@ozzy :

I believe in a few days I will ask Tammy to remove this thread.

As much as I love reading about such things, people sharing their experiences, I am afraid you are right, and this is the way to go. For some reason, like flies to poop, they become magnet for deranged individuals

Some parents have need to micromanage children, they need to protect us from a horrible, dangerous world full of shysters and con men. They don't like their children to experience things first hand.

I've found Shungite effective in shielding rfi, use it on a number of components in my streaming chain.

@thyname

Of course you would like to see @ozzy take this thread down as it would serve your own agenda and self interest ….

“ OooooH Look Look … another thread nuked because of ( Insert whatever name )

Let’s face it you are no Machiavelli  are you 🤣

There are some other great Audiophile forums. I, like many other long time posters here, will be opting out of Agon very soon as this is no longer a good place to learn from others and their experiences. I want to share my experiences, but this is also no longer an enjoyable experience. Too many trouble makers not interested in sharing actual experiences, but just want to be negative. WBF is a great place to hear from audiophiles who actually care and are open minded. I look forward to growing and enjoying the conversations there. I’m afraid this forum is too far gone for hope now. Sad really, but I enjoy this hobby too much to just go at it solo and look forward to conversing in an enjoyable forum.

This forum has gone from enjoyable to stressful.  I stay off of social media for this very reason.  Seems the “stress” has now overtaken my once enjoyable hobby outlet. 

There is a very strong current of culture of complaint going today, quite opposed to freedom of expression and experiential learning.

So @grannyring you are going to let the crazies take over this forum too?

I always thought of Audiogon as the last stand, the only remaining audio forum where people can freely discuss any audio related subject without being ridiculed by the measurement morons and the general purpose  psychopaths and internet trolls. Unfortunately, other than WBF and a few dealers-run forums, where these jerks are kicked out immediately, there is not much left out there. I for one will continue to post in Audiogon. There are still a few good people left here.

Wading through the turmoil of certain others, this here @ozzy resonates with me.

 

I also own the purple fuses and the QSA red fuses for that matter.

I think these tuning discs will give you more bang for the money. It is an instant result, not something you have to let burn in or listen carefully to tell if it is doing something.

As a potential buyer, do we have a ballpark Dealer launch date? The Florida gig next month was read.

+1 @grannyring . . What's Best Forum is more inciteful and civilized these days. I've been here on Audiogon since 2001 and am really disappointed how these threads have become so sidetracked and snarky. Thanks for the post Bill.

Should read "insightful" not inciteful. Sorry about that. Jeff

Man I love these snake oil threads! Better than Netflix!

how can a product that offers a full 30 day refund be defined as snake oil?

I'm on my 3rd bag of popcorn now. Keep this thread alive it's great entertainment

It happens. 
 

So,let me get this straight.  People that have never used or tried a product,are arguing with someone that has,about the validity of said product. Is this the gist of it?? 

I love snake soil threads as well secretion guy.

So much so that I may just end up buying a tuning disc or four. My money, my ears, my judgement, my passion.

The naysayers won't deter; only annoy with blind self-righteous fervour.

 Ozzy,

  Keep this topic here. I am glad I saw it. I actually try things before forming an opinion. My dealer is going to let me try these once they come in.

 Speaking of keeping an open mind when I was picking up some Vicoustic  acoustic treatments the dealer who also sells Synergistic asked if I wanted to try a Tranquility pod.

   I had never heard of one at the time but said sure , why not. Bought the 1st one after demoing it in my system. A few weeks later I asked for another one to try for the trial period. That one too made a vast difference also.

  I have a 3rd one coming this week for another trial period. Moral of this is to keep an open mind, you just might improve your system and get even more enjoyment out of it.

  When I first saw the Tranquility pod at the dealers shop I had my doubts, boy was I wrong.  

What do people think of heroin having never tried it? Just saying.

If it weren’t for threads like this these things would get no attention. Would have to have paid ads. Be thankful!

 So, heroin is being compared to audio tweaks?  I’ve never seen a parent lose their child to tuning disks. But,I will freely admit that I haven’t seen everything.  I’d also say that the comparison, is highly off the mark. 

@pesky_wabbit 

What? Unless you are using multiple identities here, you have miss read my post my dear. It was directed at @pedroeb 

Someones got their knickers in a twist.

my most utter and sincere apologiea, A lesson that I should wear my reading glasses at all times.

02-13-2022 7:19pm

I love snake soil threads as well secretion guy.

So much so that I may just end up buying a tuning disc or four. My money, my ears, my judgement, my passion.

The naysayers won't deter; only annoy with blind self-righteous fervour.

Your money. Waste it as you like.

My waste sounds delightful...

I am so grateful having your permission. Do I grovel at your feet now, or later? 

Oz(zy)

Just don’t post anything (negative) and hold for awhile. Let the disc’s hit the market and give time for others to post of their effectiveness in their systems. Don’t let the bullies win. It took some time for the moderators to let threads like this one, be.

Remember, the bullies have nothing else better to do in their lives. And don’t give the moderators any reason to take this thread down or similar others like it in the future.

Nice Focal’s man! I can only imagine the effects of the discs on those babies! Do tell!