Hello everyone,,
I am a Jhonmicky Audio fan. I've heard them at shows in medium sized rooms and small rooms. At home, I have run Perspectives and now run Pearl 3s. I've compared them directly to other speakers with the idea that if I heard something I liked more in the same price range or somewhat higher, I would consider changing speakers. So far, I haven't heard anything I enjoyed more. IMO Jeff Joseph's build quality, beauty and sound quality are very high value at their comparative price points. That doesn't mean they aren't expensive, but it does mean that they truly compete with other brands that cost significantly more…
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Good reply Eric.
Yeah, I don't know a single audiophile (beyond a DIYer) who phones up a speaker manufacturer and asks those types of questions.
But this hobby has "all types" as we can see...
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Hey 'E' : " ..You can totally see that" ?
It's astonishingly amateurish, unprofessional, wrong and insulting.
Here was my question: " ..Can you please tell me if the woofer/tweeter are 'bolted-in' (or wood-screwed-in) "
It raises alarm bells ? The company felt 'threatened' when a customer took the time to contact them directly inquiring about simple, basic design elements -FOR A $10K loudspeaker !!! Too funny.
That one single, simple exchange told me everything I needed to know about the man/product. Amateur.
Any (current) KEF Reference loudspeaker is light-years ahead of Joey Joseph's Infinitely-Crossed-Over rip-off of a ($8-10K) 2-way stand-mount:
The "Joey's" aren't even close; in performance, sound qulaity, driver and enclsosure quality or sophistication.
If one has not had the opportunity to experience these fantastic loudspeakers, simply look to any world-wide reviews, you'll get the idea -in no uncertain terms.
Heck, if you ask, I'm confident KEF will send you/direct you to their Reference White paper; a highly recommended 'read'.
pj
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Some people keep mistaking their "opinion" as objective reality.
Yes KEF Reference speakers get good reviews.
So do the Joseph speakers, which you just ignore because you are so fixated on dissing them and pumping up KEF speakers.
I could absolutely FLOOD this page with rave reviews for the Joseph speakers, from pro reviews to show reports to owners.
But why bother? Not gonna make a dent in your bizarre obsession with trying to push people to the KEF speakers. Why does it mean so much to you to enter a thread on Joseph speakers and trumpet "The speaker I like is WAY better than the speaker YOU like!!"
There are many fine products, the Joseph speakers are one of them getting constant rave reviews.
People have different tastes than you.
Why not deal with that in a more mature way instead of producing flame bait?
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Hey 'E' : " ..You can totally see that" ?
It's astonishingly amateurish, unprofessional, wrong and insulting.
Here was my question: " ..Can you please tell me if the woofer/tweeter are 'bolted-in' (or wood-screwed-in) "
It raises alarm bells ? The company felt 'threatened' when a customer
took the time to contact them directly inquiring about simple, basic
design elements -FOR A $10K loudspeaker !!! Too funny.
You don't agree and that's as close as we'll get.
Consumers do not have a right to know everything about a speaker they
are buying. There is no right to have a schematic and part list either.
I will repeat that I would not have replied how he did, but I also can see his point of view. The mistake was in the tone. He should have said to please evaluate the speakers based on their sound quality and see if they are right for you. I do suspect that JA gets an inordinate amount of attention from DIY'ers who want to clone his speakers, and that may predispose him to being more firm in his replies. I don't know. Best, E |
Hello everyone,, I am a Jhonmicky Audio fan. I've heard them at shows in medium sized rooms and small rooms. At home, I have run Perspectives and now run Pearl 3s. I've compared them directly to other speakers with the idea that if I heard something I liked more in the same price range or somewhat higher, I would consider changing speakers. https://showbox.bio/ https://tutuapp.uno/ https://vidmate.vet/So far, I haven't heard anything I enjoyed more. IMO Jeff Joseph's build quality, beauty and sound quality are very high value at their comparative price points. That doesn't mean they aren't expensive, but it does mean that they truly compete with other brands that cost significantly more… Thank you my issue has been solved,… |
Theres nothing special about joseph audio speakers. They are as conventional as you could get for a two way speaker. Its a wooden box with a bit of damping material, a passive crossover and a pair of cone drivers. Dont see why it needs to cost ten thousand dollars |
If you didn't get it the first five times it was explained, repeating the reasons again isn't going to help.
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Sometimes, I wish I hadn't started this thread. |
I’d kill for a blocking feature to mute certain people. It’s easier to just ignore them. Lonely people need validation even if it’s negative.
That said it’s been interesting reading about the Pulsars |
Pretty funny coming from the Master of Negativity!! Thanks for the laugh |
FWIW Jeff Joseph just showed his new Pearl 3 model with the Graphene upgrade at RMAF 2019. This model will now be called something different (I think Pearl 20.20 but that could be incorrect). Jeff hasn't determined what it will cost current Pearl 3 owners to upgrade.
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Having heard various Joseph Audio speakers on multiple occasions, I can assure people they are among the best sounding out there and worth whatever price people are willing to pay for them.
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The Pearl 20/20s sounded wonderful with Doshi electronics.
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I agree with @markalarsen above.
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I thought the new pearl with the graphene upgrade at RMAF sounded wonderful. I just have to gulp at the price of $35K+ for this speaker. It was one of my top 5 or 10. |
@goose Yep, the price tags in this hobby are perplexing. Having said that, for me, I haven't heard a speaker in the $35K-50K price range that I like better. I like the Vivid line of speakers but their profile is never going to get my spouse's approval...and I don't blame her.
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I also was impressed with JA Pearls (Graphene) at RMAF.
However JA price increases have gone too far for me.
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However JA price increases have gone too far for me. Same here. I’d planned on buying new Perspectives a year ago, had to wait, and now the Perspective 2s are too much too afford (much worse here in Canada). So my only hope at this point is snagging a pair of used original Perspectives. (And then when money permits, send them to Jeff for the upgrade them to graphene 2). |
@prof Buy the Perspectives used, have the seller ship them to Jeff Joseph for the upgrade and then have him ship them to you. Please Prof, you need to do this.
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@markalarsen
Believe me that would be my plan if possible. The whole "it costs money" thing is sort of in the way, though.
I hope I can count on audiogon member contribution to my up-coming Go-Fund-Me campaign to get me a pair of Perspectives! ;-)
(I’m jealous of your speakers...)
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The Joseph audio speakers are always among those I enjoy most at shows. Soundstage imaging and detail always seems uniquely good but they do tend to be smaller than most for the price. That's a good thing for those with space limitations which is often the case.
I have no clue what use of Graphene accomplishes with a speaker driver. Is that mostly for marketing appeal? |
The introduction of the new Pearl3 Graphene has garnered many enthusiastic notices. Here’s one from The Absolute Sound: http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/rocky-mountain-audio-fest-2019-loudspeakers/Best sound, cost-no-object: "I could have gone Vandersteen, Wilson, or YG but my heart kept returning to the Joseph Pearl 3 with Berkeley Audio Design sourcing Doshi Audio power. Even in a smallish room the sound was effortless, and brimming with musicality and warmth. Take my money, please." Joseph has been demoing versions of the Pearl for years, often garnering among the best-of-show mentions, so it's seems odd that it's never been reviewed anywhere! I'd really enjoy reading what TAS of Stereophile would say of Joseph's flagship. |
The uber expensive Peal 3s seem at first glance to be a luxury redux of the fabled Naim SBL, a design that was decades ahead of its time. A pic here, https://www.springair.de/en/naim-sbl/h67133I'd also add my voice to others who urge patience and care buying used. Buying new seems too risky at these prices. Certainly an extended listen as I get nervous whenever I hear a designer state they've lowered the crossover point for the tweeter. Far, far more problems are caused by too low a crossover point than the other way around. It can do terrible things for the veracity of the male voice for one. It's always a difficult road searching for magic and it always will be. But as some say, if you keep looking everything comes to those who wait. Perhaps even a used pair of mint condition Perspectives! |
It's looking more like I will have some Perspectives in my early future.Local dealers are selling off their demo models. I have money left over from selling my Thiel 3.7 speakers and I just listed my MBL 121 monitors. They literally sold in 5 minutes!
I hope to grab a pair of used Perspective (1s) within the next week, if things go as hoped. Then the plan would be to upgrade them to the Graphene version when I can.
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It really makes you double think your choices when you sell something that quickly!! :D
Erik
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Heh, I just set up the MBLs because the buyer wants to listen before buying. I played some stuff and thought "what am I crazy? These are insane!" But...they just don’t end up getting as much play in my system as they deserve, and ultimately a pair of fuller range floor standing speakers will suit me better.
The Joseph speakers are something of a gamble too. I know what I really like about them, but also remember an issue or two, but as it sounds like the Graphene version addressed those issues it looks like I’ll roll the dice. I have back up speakers I love if they don’t work out :-)
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Curious what those backup speakers are :) |
dvdboulet,
Thiel 2.7
Also Spendors, some other older Thiels, Hales, Waveform....
I’m promiscuous with speakers :-)
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Rich, this post makes me happy. Let us know when you obtain the Perspectives. I'm waiting on Jeff Joseph to tell me what the graphene upgrade cost is going to be on Pearl 3s.
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Joseph is a good choice moving from limited range mbl. But moving from mbl...... |
astewart,
I'm pretty close, but I'm holding off pulling the trigger until I figure a couple things out.
mapman, I didn't quite follow your last post.
IMO: The Joseph Perspectives have a disappearing/soundstaging/imaging act that can remind me of the MBLs to a degree, and a similar type of transparency (though hard to beat the MBL), but with some more richness in the midrange and a more traditional sense of drive in the bass.
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Prof yeah I agree about Joseph similarities to mbl. Coincidentally I had just stated that over on the Ohm Micro Walsh tall thread.
The mbls are so unique though. I’d just hate to give them up for that reason alone. But I also know they are not easy to set up optimally and perhaps not really practical in many cases. |
mapman,
Believe me, I couldn't let go of the MBLs for the last ten years! I truly thought I would never sell them as they were a "unicorn speaker"I happened upon for a once-in-a-lifetime price. But given I switch around my speakers I couldn't help but notice other speakers spending more time in my system, a bit easier-listening, traditional speakers (and some floorstanders like the Thiels with deeper bass). I'd put the MBLs in and go "wow" for a while, but for whatever reason other speakers would end up as my mainstay. I actually have a very good room for the MBLs, one designed with an acoustician, and with very good flexibiity in terms of modulating how much reflectivity is happening. So I dialed in those MBLs really nicely.
I set them up again the night before the buyer was to show up and was again gobsmacked at what they could do in terms of imaging and transparency, even these small MBL 121s could do an amazingly persuasive orchestral spread - very convincing for eyes-closed listening.
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Prof did you ever consider or try them with a sub or two?
Yeah I know. Small speakers are small speakers. They can do a lot of nice tricks but not everything.
Ever hear Ohm Walsh? |
I did consider a sub, in fact bought two JL subs with the JL audio crossover (was going to use them with my Thiels too). The whole sub thing was such a hassle I put it on hold.
I've hung on to the subs and crossover in case I feel the need to even out the bass in a speaker, for instance if the Joseph speakers prove at all problematic in the bass.
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Yes setting up subs right can be a hassle.
I use one in a smaller room with Kef ls50 ( also very mbl/Joseph like but small with limited low end extension). Just one located right next to my listening spot. This was the easiest sub setup I ever attempted. Had it locked in to my ears in less than an hour. It’s been about a year now and have not changed a thing.
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Damn, for that price, I expect these small monitors to wet my lips and give me an orgasm. |
You will have to settle for an ear-to-ear grin and goosebumps |
You will have to settle for an ear-to-ear grin and goosebumps
I get that from just a cup of tea. |
Re-visiting this thread since I’ve been happily listening to my JA Perspectives for several weeks.
They continue to stun me with their clarity, resolution and tonal finesse.The upper frequencies are so extended and pure, when certain drum cymbals or tiny chimes/metal triangles etc are played, they have this amazing "pop in the room" presence and super realistic tone.
And wow, the bass quantity and quality!
The comments that intrigue me most about the new Graphene version are that it’s actually more resolution. That’s almost hard to conceive of given how much the original Perspectives seem to be putting out in my room.
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I went to CAF and RMAF this year. Both me and my girlfriend (she has better ears than many audiophiles I know including me), thought Joseph Audio Pearl was the best sounding room in RMAF and the Perspective 2 was top 3 in CAF.
I was so damn impressed that I ordered a new pair of Perspective 2 on the spot. I'll get them this weekend. I need some amp recommendation. |
Last year I bought Pearl's off this gentleman in Maryland. He switched to Devore's (The X or one of the Nines) because to him they had greater resolution/detail than the Pearl's. His musical "catalog" was vastly different than mine...mostly Female vocals and lighter stuff. To his ears it wasnt even close as to which speaker put the artist in his listening room. |
I had spent considerable time auditioning the Devore Super 9 (IMO better sounding than Orangutan). Devore speakers are great esp with how they handle midrange and human voice, sort of like Harbeth kind of way. However, Devore is not a speaker for people whose music taste is all over the map. Playing fast paced music showed that it is constrained when it comes to macro dynamics, bit flat sounding (it has BIG bass though) esp if you are playing rock or pop music. In that regard newer Harbeth 40th Anniversaries are a better match.
The new Joseph floorstanders sounds more neutral. I need to spend time with them to give a better opinion. Soon! |
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radiohead,
I look forward to reading about your experience with the new Perspectives. I hope I’m in a position to send mine in for the upgrade some time in the next year. But I’m sure enjoying this original pair.
The Perspectives are certainly dynamic. I especially hear this with drummers, where I’m made aware of their emphasis, slamming the bass drum harder for this shot, cymbal splashes jumping out with energy.
Interesting what you say about the Devore Super 9s (as those were on my list to audition - never did) being dynamically restrained and not great for all types of music. I would have thought the opposite (and I think I’ve seen at least one reviewer who felt the opposite).
The JA speakers maintain their signature clarity and ease no matter how complex the music becomes, or as the volume increases. I was actually a bit worried that I’d find them a tad bright and opt for lower volume listening. It’s been completely the opposite. They are so relaxed and pure sounding that I find myself playing them louder, without ears bothering me, than any speaker I’ve owned before.
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riaa,
I myself was tormented in choosing between the JA and the Devore O speakers, so I can completely understand why someone would move from one to the other. The Devores excel in a sense of palpable "in room" texture, density and palpability.
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Does anybody know if there is a Joseph Audio dealer in South Florida? Thanks. |
I was recently informed by a well known speaker designer that the reason graphene and other new coatings are being used is to
keep the cones themselves from self destructing. So now you will be
paying more so the product you buy lasts longer. Okay some logic there but let's not fall for the 'Improved SQ' claims. |
@gadios I wonder if graphene and non-graphene specs are identical then? |
I was recently informed by a well known speaker designer that the reason graphene and other new coatings are being used is to keep the cones themselves from self destructing. So now you will be paying more so the product you buy lasts longer. Okay some logic there but let’s not fall for the ’Improved SQ’ claims. @gadios — Given what others who have actually heard and/or owned both versions have said, I’d say you have been misinformed. BTW, I — and I’m sure others here — would love to know which speaker designer told you this stuff. And, as far as I know, Seas drivers haven’t been known to “self destruct” over time so that reasoning sounds totally absurd. Maybe you should listen for yourself rather than just accepting as truth what someone else says, especially someone who probably has not done an A/B comparison between the two versions. |
