Need a big favor picking a preamp
I recently tried out an Esoteric E-02 phonostage and have decided to buy one. (It was a big step up from a Parasound JC3+, which surprised me.) I'm working on my preamp stage now, and tried out a Dan D'Angostino Momentum HD preamp and the Exoteric Grandioso C1X
Dan's preamp was fantasic, but I makes me feel like I need to be wearing several gold chains when using it. Perhaps also a toupee and some gold nugget rings. "Gaudy" is the word when I look at it.
I also tried out a Esoteric Grandioso C1X, which was fantastic, but a bit cold, and much of my system is already Esoteric Grandioso, and it's getting a bit fanboyish. Unfortunately I did not have it when I tried out the E-02, but I assume the two would be excellent together.
I would say the D'Angostino preamp is "more musical", while the Esoteric more "more precise".
There's a third contender I have never heard on my system, but loved when I heard elsewhere on a similar system -- Nagra HD preamp -- it had the precision of the Esoteric and had just a tad bit of tube sound. It's also startlingly expensive.
I tried out several others that just didn't fit my system: Pass Labs being one, which surprised me.
So, please advise:
D'Angostino Momentum?
Esoteric C1X
Nagra HD
The downstream are two Classe Delta Monoblocks, Bowers 800s, SVS PB16 ultras. Upstream Digital: Esoteric K-03XD and Lumin U1 Upstream Analog: Esoteric E-02 and alternating between a VPI Titan and Esoteric Grandioso turntable.
Current preamp is a Prima Luna Evo 400, which I love the looks of, and punches WAY above its weight for the price, but it's time to go.
"The Evo 400 is akin to a Porsche. It's a reliable sports car, not particularly troublesome, and can easily serve as a daily driver, albeit one that bounces you around on your commute. I'm looking for a preamp that is akin to Range Rover with 580 HP and even more torque.." That's an interesting analogy. What even compares feature/build? Plenty of great top notch choices, but not comparable apples to apples. PL user myself, but lower on the food chain. Hp integ/new Evo 100 phonoamp
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@yogiboy good one enjoyed that. | ||
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I have no clue what the history is here, but, as it relates to this topic, the tip to look at a forum where people were actively discussing both preamps (and comparable alternatives) was very helpful. The slam on Dan D’Angostino amps’ looks is fair. And funny. These are quality amps, but very distinctly inspired by Audimar Piguet Royal Oak Offshore watches (and I own one, but seldom wear because it’s not my style, at all), which is, indeed nautical and in the cheesy Miami Vice side of dress. If I lived in Miami or on a beach somewhere, this may be the amp for me. But I live in Texas. | ||
The history here is this guy through the last few years has been consistently banned for his juvenile, insulting posts and behavior. He just keeps coming back under a new username. Follows same pattern; civil and informative, then his posts eventually degrade to what you have witnessed here, then much worse. He's up to at least 8 or 9 iterations. Sorry this bubbled up on your thread.
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jacobsdad2000
"I have had a listen to Nagra HD and the Momentum both in brand matched systems and was very impressed. I am a less is more guy and prefer SPL from Germany. Why are you not auditioning the Classe Preamps?"
Also not trying to derail this thread, but I have an important question. I’ve been hearing that the SPL preamp is a giantkiller. You’ve listened to great preamps like the Momentum and Nagra HD. Obviously, at a tiny fraction of the price of those, the SPL can’t compare, but please tell me your impressions. | ||
He won't be responding as he yet again got banned. If you want to know about SPL preamps, @jaymarkj has the Elector. I'm sure if you messaged him he would be happy to give you his impressions. | ||
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Hi Dave. I was in your position a few years back. I'm familiar with the Nagra HD and Momentum, which are top-tier contenders (as you'd expect). My research, comparisons and ear drew me to the Octave Jubilee Preamp. It replaced my ARC Ref.10 and bested it in every possible way. The Jubilee pre is a hybrid design with a tube linestage and separate SS power supply. It is very neutral with the ability to mine deeply into the both musical and spatial details (e.g. venue effects) with a phenomenal naturalness. But of all its characteristics that really stands out is the Jubilee's holographic atmosphere that only valves can produce. For me, it's a keeper! Have fun in the hunt! Ray | ||
”Why are you asking others about what you need to hear when you listen to your own system its like asking which sports car should I drive. You won't know until you drive it yourself” To figure out what to test drive, of course. I’ve made a successful career, and indeed life, in part by asking people who have more knowledge and experience — or just different experiences — what they thought about things. I listen and weigh the advice or thoughts. And frequently I learn about new things. It’s the same reason I read what experts, or just those that come before, have done and thought about everything. We stand on the backs of 10,000 years of human history. It’s a waste not to learn from others’ experiences and ideas. Indeed, while it may come to a surprise for those whose Internet forums to make pithy comments, otherwise be rude to others, and lash out for no good reason (other than to sate whatever demon troubles them — a mistake, for it only grows stronger) the real purpose of forums such as Audiogon is to learn from others and to help others. I've learned a lot from this thread and been helped. One day, I’d like the honor and privilege of returning the favor. | ||
Thanks. Well said. "Indeed, while it may come to a surprise for those who use Internet forums to make pithy comments, otherwise be rude to others, and lash out for no good reason (other than to sate whatever demon troubles them — a mistake, for it only grows stronger) the real purpose of forums such as Audiogon is to learn from others and to help others." | ||
Sometimes you don't have to spend a TON of money to get superb results. I have 2, Benchmark LA-4 pre amps in two individual systems. A little over 3K with remote, for each. I believe they also offer an HPA-4 ? which comes with a great Headphone amp, a little bit more money. You will be quite impressed! 30 day trial period, made in the USA (NY) Total money back if not pleased. Rory,a good guy who will answer the phone ( No pushing buttons all day) Kind of a WIN-WIN Oh, a 5 year warranty to boot! | ||
@thecarpathian @maxwave @bpoletti @yogiboy @woots @sameyers1 @mwood @kennyc @bluethinker @soix @fastfreight @renatocomes @rayproctor9975 @vinylshadow @elliottbnewcombjr @markmuse @bgross @dayglow @tmortsd @rbstehno @sewolla @grislybutter @yogiboy @drbond @x5owner1 @tablejockey @ditusa @nightfall @jperry @kirk9 @garynospamm @philgo01 @bernardwilliams @gkr7007 @rspyder @rbyington711 @ghdprentice @coppy777 @robshaw Well, I've made a decision and pulled the tigger. Two triggers, in fact. I want to thank everyone for their input and advice. I learned about several brands and products I'd never heard of -- or had forgotten about. I seriously looked at every single one of each of your recommendations, and tried out a few, either in a show room or in my system. Even stole my daughter's LTA Microzotl (which, for whatever reason, thought of as a headphone amp) for an evening. The Vinnie Rossi Brama Meiter is stunning-looking and well-reviewed and the one that I could not audition because I couldn't find one located where I could reasonably justify to the IRS (and my board) firing up the company plane and checking out. It will forever be the pretty girl with whom I didn't get to dance. The runner-up was the Audio Research Reference 10, a late entry here, of which there are numerous used examples for very reasonable prices. I borrowed a buddies, and it is extremely good. Very crisp. He also brought in a Van den Hul The Grail SE (the one with the two power supplies). I fell in love with this Phono Preamp. Fourth place was the Dan D'Agastino's RELENTLESS (not Momentum). I could only find it new and the dealer wanted more than MSRP. I also couldn't try it out on my system and had to rely on a studio audition. It has a distinct "house" sound, which, if you like it, that's great. B The Esoteric Grandioso (C01X?) fell to third. It has all the right bits, but something wasn't right, and we did blind A-B testing. The winner was the Nagra HD preamp. It had my objective list of requirements: true dual mono, fully balanced inputs and outputs, and just outstanding sound. Even used (at $36K) it was ~2X more than the Audio Research (used) it was superior. But when I paired it with the Vdh The Grail SE, it was pure magic. The two work exceptionally well together.
So anyway, I ended up buying the Nagra HD today (sending check Monday) -- and ended up buying a VdH Grail SE phono stage unexpectedly.
Happy listening, everyone. And thanks for all your help. | ||
Read the existing posts once in a while before you post! iI figured they were trying to give me buyer’s remorse. The Gryphon looks pretty amazing and is one I didn’t try. although, looks wise and on paper thr Nagea HD has it beat, I’ve learned that testing is very imperfect measure at some point. | ||
I second @stringreen, I own the KXR-R (non Twenty) and love it. But, do let us know how the Nagra performs. B | ||
