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Very interesting how different the philosophies can be between speaker manufacturers. However Mágico and Harbeth total opposites in terms of everything from materials to costs. Hardly a comparison. As far as bang for the buck well that is even questionable as well. As far as Mágico paying YouTubers I doubt that. By the time Jay produces this video I’d bet it has cost him quite a bit. |
Using paid "social media influencers" on Youtube, Facebook, and other social media sites is exactly how a lot of advertising is done today. Jay probably does have costs associated with producing the videos, which makes it all the more likely that he's being paid. There's nothing wrong with that and Jay has made it clear that as a dealer, he's in this for profit. |
After years of building Jay's forum thread and YouTube channel he gets invited to tour the Magico factory and interview Alon Wolf. He is having technical difficulties uploading the content so we can all watch. So what does clearthink do? He posts a video tour of the Magico factory (from a competing audio YouTube influencer) on Jay's own forum thread. Way to go clearthink. You are a class act. |
Pretty cool how @clearthink is doing his thing on here huh?
@rbach I appreciate your comment above. Thank you for the support you and others who believe in what i do display on here (I know there are many of you who stand behind my work) The factory tour was more than what I expected . Alon and his staff were absolutely phenomenal and very welcoming to me and my wife who was there to work the cameras. By the way, Alon makes an amazing cappuccino too! Anyhow, I managed to record about 3 hours of total footage so I will break it up into several videos. All footage was done in 4k @ 60fps and I used a great wireless lavalier on him and me so the sound of our conversations was clear even through the station where the CNC machines were building new cabinets. Stay tuned guys - I thank you for your patience.
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Agree. Most of us are here, and many for over 4 years, for Jay’s content and by extension support for his thread. Jay has always been transparent and upfront. Gratuitous attempts to undermine his hard work and insinuate false narratives epitomizes disrespect toward the spirit of Jay’s journey and should have no place here. |
Both the Harbeth and Magico videos show the importance of stiff drivers. With Harbeth, the enclosure is seen as a less important factor, whereas with Magico, similar high quality drivers are in the S and M series. The biggest differences with big price differences are seen in the enclosures. Let's see what else we learn from Jay's interview with Alon Wolf. |
@cleeds I understand what you saying and yes nothing wrong with Jay being paid. I’m just saying that this is not the case here with Mágico that’s all. Jay wants to give an honest review and factory tour with no obligation to sugar coat anything or any appearance of bias. This is just to show us about the company that built his speaker. Therefore I’d be willing to bet He hasn’t received a dime from Mágico. |
LOL, Harbeth stiff?? The cone is made of injected molding plastic, it might be more rigid than polypropylene, but stiff it is not. The guy is bending it with his fingers, I don’t think he understands the meaning of stiffness. I don’t think you can bend a Magico cone that easily 🙄 Harbeth are fine for what they are but have not much in common with Magico.
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Right. Magico cones are stiffer than Harbeth's. But no dynamic driver cones are as rigidly controlled as electrostatic membranes which are in a tight, narrow sandwich between stators. The drawback of electrostatic membranes is the smaller excursion which limits macrodynamics. Rigid control and lowest mass give electrostatics the highest accuracy and lowest coloration within their dynamic limits. |
The electrostatic principle is the purest transducer, but almost all stat speakers are badly implemented. Large convex curved diaphragms radiate to the listener varying degrees of HF rolloff. None of them are time aligned. A total hodgepodge. My Audiostatic 240 speakers are the least flawed, although not perfect. The 2 skinny flat panels per side can be rotated to directly radiate to the listener without HF rolloff. The medium height of 48" provides better focus than the large Soundlabs and Martin Logans. I use only one panel per side, for the best focus and clarity. It could be improved with vertical concave curvature for perfect time alignment. Wilson, Focal, Magico (M9 only) speakers’ drivers are concavely directed for perfect time alignment. |
No it is not. There is no such thing as "purest transducer"; electrostatic elements have their pros and cons, just like any other transducer principle.
Wrong again. None of these are time aligned. |
henry201, The purest transducer is the massless plasma driver, but it is impractical to use below about 500 Hz. The next best is the electrostatic driver, nearly massless, and better controlled than any dynamic driver either in a box or open baffle. To get a reasonable SPL and bass extension, they need enough panel area. As I posted, all ESL's have flawed implementation of the electrostatic principle. My concept of the best implementation is a concave spherically curved panel or a concave version of Soundlab's small cells in a spherical concave configuration. The radius of curvature is the listening distance, which would be adjusted to suit the distance. The result would be equal arrival times and full HF response without smearing from all parts of the panel. Reasonable bass extension would be achieved with enough panel area. The listener must be in the tiny sweet spot for full appreciation. rbach, This respectful dialogue is beyond your comprehension, so ignore and bud out. |
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The amount of nonsense you are spewing is indeed beyond my comprehension |
@viber6 , Was your last post directed at me? If it was, I fail to see how you failed to see that I am agreeing with you. |
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@zprr Well I think an ad is only that if you are selling something. So as this is worded I’d say yes it’s allowed. The OP is doing the same thing. So I’d say what’s ok for one is ok for all. Technically if your selling an item you should place your ad in the for sale section. Hope this helps. BTW he’s not doing the dealer any favors by announcing to the world that this dealer discounts. Manufacturers kinda frown on that. |
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I wish I could defend myself on here, but as I continue to grow I have to unfortunately let the "narrators" create their stories for the masses since that is really the only thing they can do. I said it before, I won’t embark on duking it out with anyone. I never win either way and have more to lose. That said, I have to let the moderators do their job when false statements like the one above "promoting magico speakers and getting paid" are being spread throughout. This is FALSE, with ZERO PROOF and will be addressed by the moderators. I am done having to explain myself as if my life depended on it. If you are going to disclose something about me, make sure you have FACTS and PROOF of what is coming out of your mouth or else people can see that you are simply fabricating things to bring attention to yourself.
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I've found the moderators here to be very fair and I think everyone here is free to defend themselves. There's no reason you should be subject to any attacks and you should feel free to correct any misstatement. I'd be very surprised if the moderators were unwilling to delete any false statements made about you. You might have to alert them to the problem first, though. |
@jays_audio_lab Audiogon is not what it used to be. You better put your time and knowledge into some where else. |
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@kren0006 Thanks for the comment above. Unfortunately don’t be surprised if it gets deleted because you are speaking the truth |
henry201, Some advice to you. Knowledgeable people who are respected do not belittle others who have views contrary to their own. If they THINK the other people is wrong, they give an explanation as to why, rather than saying flatly, "WRONG" or "The amount of nonsense you are spewing is indeed beyond my comprehension" or "Not sure why you insist talking about stuff you have no knowledge of." Really? What qualifies YOU as an arbiter of truth? The quotes above from you offer no hint as to your purported expertise, and are merely opinionated accusations. FACT--As an accomplished violinist and lifelong concertgoer, I have plenty of first hand audio and musical experience, and know the pros and cons of most driver transducers and have stated so, if you know how to read my nuances. What are your qualifications? I am here to learn things of practical value, and was hoping that your alleged brilliance has discovered a truly SOTA transducer that outperforms plasma and electrostatic drivers for clarity and accuracy. I don't expect that you have such knowledge or accomplishments. Incidentally, you don't know how to spell--"get your story strait." It's one thing to make an innocent spelling error. You surely know the junior high school level differences in meaning between "strait" and "straight", but how do you compose a sentence which demonstrates fuzzy thought processes? Knowledgeable, respected people know how to explain things to anyone of any age and level of education, in terms they understand. My career as a doctor depends on it. If patients tell me something that at first I don't think is true, I politely say to them that I never heard of that, and I also say to them that they may have taught me something new, and I will keep an eye out for other cases like them. |
Thank you, you are kind, as noticed already. Of course, you got me there, as English is not my first language. I am glad you did get the point, though. |
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