@inna
No, you got it all wrong. You just can’t tell much with the Wilson’s, everything passes, mediocrely. They have half the resolution and are consistently ‘confused’. Not a good speaker for any critical listing, maybe for a fun party.
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Way too bright, harsh, lack of midbass. Knopfler sounds like a little boy. They also sound like parts of them is out-of-phase, something is not correct. |
Where is the dynamic ?... LOL, I just looked at the soundwave of this song, it’s compressed as a tortilla. There is also nothing ’real’ in this recording, no acoustic anything, even his voice is processed to a T. Magico is a fine wagyu steak, not a burger king whopper, you will hear it like it is 😐 |
Jay, I read your reasoning. What you need to consider is that by mismatching products, you do disservice all of them. The XA may sound fantastic on an Avantgarde, but I doubt it will on any 4ohm ~90db loudspeaker. It’s not just cost, it’s spec. The X series will be a better match for the M6. |
Not how I hear it. The Alexx has this added ‘echo’ around everything, the image is not well defined and somewhat smeared. The voice on the M6 is focus, and it is clearly in front of everything else, unlike the Alexx more homogeneous, diffuse presentation. The M6 sounds louder with more dynamic contrast, even though they are both playing at the same level.
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All good here, no worries, this is fun.
Its not just the price, its the compatibility. There are cheaper amps then the XA60 that will match the M6 better. |
@kren0006
I though that's what we are doing, nobody told me we have a budget 😁 |
@viber6
The GTA may be more clear sounding, but they lack dimensionality and heft. I would get tired listening to these. |
Ok, will do, thxs for the tip. |
XA60.8??
That’s a 60W amp, on a good day. Not worthy here.
You should give the M6 the power they deserve, its the most expensive speaker you had, yet you pair "cheaper" 2nd tier electronics on it 🙄 |
@faxer Just to show you that I’m not full of crap Not sure what you are full of, but you do seem to have some anger issues. Never heard your speakers, and now I am not sure I would want to (In case it escaped you, we are comparing YT clips here). Chill out, this is not a good look 🙄 |
@kren0006 That makes 3 favoring Wilson over Magico. If you only counting the Wilson votes (and from the same people) 🤣 |
@Techno
Now you are being rude and delusional. Do you always refer to yourself as ’"majoritary"?
Watch out, so the whopper’s ketchup does not mess up the vinyl seats.
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A port is basically a bass EQ. Can be fun on some cuts, but typically a major annoyance. It has other flaws, like messing up the time domain. Ported speakers sound a bit confused. The further thing from reality, for sure.
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Actually, it's rather sad... |
I thought he is deliberately trying different things. I did not realize there is a struggle here...
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The recordings sound different altogether, flat and bright, did you use the same microphone?
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Not hearing the slam you are talking about, in fact, they sound lean, and missing the bottom octave, maybe its YT, don’t know... |
@carey1110 Yes, I listen through my Sennheiser HD 820 (Apparently others share my findings). Glad you like it, it will give me a headache in no time. A pity Jay does not put anything challenging, like symphonic music, on. |
Perhaps I am allergic to the Wilson, I get a headache a few seconds into any song since they arrived. Acoustic guitar sounds grainy and plastic-like, nothing like the real thing. No weight and a persistent halo to the voice. HIFI sound at its full glory (I even waited a bit, I don't think its YT) 🙁
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You already had MUCH better speakers in your place (Magico and Focal). There might not be a "best", but some speakers are clearly better than others. The XLF were one step too far. Now you know...
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@ron17
Both M2 and M3 MPods height is adjustable from the top. The M6 Mpods height can be adjusted as well, just not as conveniently. |
@viber6 Time alignment is most important for clarity and focused imaging. Wilson is the master, and I wouldn’t consider any dynamic speaker company that ignores time alignment. Wilson is neither time aligned nor phase coherence, its marketing BS. The Magico M9 can produce lots of bass, but the reviewer implies the overall effect is a big sound which is unfocused. Yeah sure, more fiction. Please share the review with the rest of us... |
@viber6
Henry201, what evidence do you have that the large Wilsons are NOT time aligned nor phase coherent? Dave Wilson sought time alignment, which is thoroughly expressed in the setup procedures. Time and phase behavior are easily measured. All Wilson measurements, over the years, and in all publications clearly shows that they are neither Time aligned nor phase coherent. Wilson himself has never shown a measurement that supports his claims. That is probably the biggest lie in the audio industry. Before you bother to reply, please read on the subject a bit. This is not a question of opinion; that’s a simple, measurable fact. |
@viber6
I am interested in these facts about how Wilsons are not time aligned, but you haven’t provided any links to support your claims. I don’t know whether you have the time to do this. As a practicing physician, I don’t, and would appreciate any information you have the time to provide. Some essential effort on your part should take place. You can start by reading JA article on loudspeaker measurements, he explains, and show what a step response produced by a time-coherent loudspeaker should look like. You can then look at Wilson measurements, and see that none are. It's easy. https://www.stereophile.com/features/100/index.html JA conclude: "Many loudspeakers are claimed by their manufacturers’ marketing departments to be time-coherent. There are also a number of speakers that have sloped front baffles, implying that they are time-coherent. However, its step response immediately gives you an indication of whether or not a loudspeaker is time-coherent. And almost all loudspeakers are not." |
@ron17
And this year Stereophile’s speaker of the year is Magico’s A5, while last year’s speaker of the year was Magico’s M2...starting to see a pattern here.
Too bad he sold his Magico, he could have used a good speaker now, finally, that he improved his front-end.
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@jays_audio_lab
Not sure what you mean by "now that i finally have a good front end" as if i haven’t had a good one before
Yet you only now discover that local files sound better then streaming🙄
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Actually, all things being equal, a sealed design will go deeper (12db vs.24 db roll-off on ported).
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Will be interesting to see what happens.
Nothing good, that's for sure :(
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@keithr
Also disappear more and measure better (if that’s your thing).
That is factually not true, the YG do not measure better then Magico, nor many other speakers, and you can easily look it up. There is a lot more to a speaker than the flat on-axis response, which is the only thing the YG has to offer, its not nearly enough and some will argue not desirable (I used to buy in to that, but not any more - the A5 clearly demonstrated it for me). I have been reading your commentary on the Magico for many years, I have to say, you either never heard them set up properly, or your objectives are totally unclear to me. You searched for years for the “perfect speakers” you bought the YG’s, but you never were able to get them to work. That should tell u something.
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Don’t rush to buy the S2500 (or any PC). You may not hear much difference without the Boulder and the Magico.
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@viber6
I happen to think Jay’s Magico S7 speakers have much more articulation and detail than the M6 he had.
Always so fast with dubious conclusions 🙄 It’s about time you realize it is about the entire setup, especially when it comes to such a transparent product like Magico. You have not heard the M6 on anything remotely as good as what Jay has now. You can’t begin to speculate on the M6 sound, let alone the M9. Hopefully Jay will revisit the M6 (or M3)
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I never stream for critical listening. In my setup, it's never as good as ripped files and definitely not as good as direct from a CD transport (44.1 that is). Also, if streaming files are ‘untouched’, why there is such clear differences in SQ between Tidal and Qobuz?
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Tidal HiFi service is FLAC, same as Qobuz.
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Yes, same files so called "CD Quality". SQ on my set up is definitely different.
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You can try any title you wish. They don't sound the same. Am I listening to the exact same thing? Only Tidal and Qobuz know 😐
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That is my experience, regardless the setup, if both services sound the same to you, that's perfectly fine.
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According to Tidal (which is in the link you just sent), MQA compression scheme is only used on their Master Quality files. I am talking about their "HiFi" service.
"TIDAL HiFi provides uncompressed lossless sound quality, streaming at 1411kbps or 16-Bit / 44.1 kHz."
Should be the same "CD quality" as Qobuz.
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I am using a streamer, not a PC.
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This amp is practically broken. JA measurements conclusion: "Presumably, the left channel’s higher levels of distortion and noise and its higher output impedance than the right channel’s are sample-specific." Yet these guys are raving about it 🙄
If that is what they sent MF, what are you going to get :(
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@viber6
Both the Harbeth and Magico videos show the importance of stiff drivers.
LOL, Harbeth stiff?? The cone is made of injected molding plastic, it might be more rigid than polypropylene, but stiff it is not. The guy is bending it with his fingers, I don’t think he understands the meaning of stiffness. I don’t think you can bend a Magico cone that easily 🙄
Harbeth are fine for what they are but have not much in common with Magico.
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Perhaps, but they come with their own plethora of issues and, as you mentioned, limited dynamics. They are also, indeed, colored. I clearly hear a plastic sheen ridding on the music. Not a perfect nor preferable solution either, IMO
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The electrostatic principle is the purest transducer
No it is not. There is no such thing as "purest transducer"; electrostatic elements have their pros and cons, just like any other transducer principle.
Wilson, Focal, Magico (M9 only) speakers’ drivers are concavely directed for perfect time alignment.
Wrong again. None of these are time aligned.
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@viber6
This respectful dialogue is beyond your comprehension, so ignore and bud out.
The amount of nonsense you are spewing is indeed beyond my comprehension
( including the ’respectful’ ending of your reply).
At least try and get your story strait, is it electrostatic or is it plasma??
Not sure why you insist talking about stuff you have no knowledge of. Stick to impressionism, then you can get away with anything ;)
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@Viber6
Incidentally, you don’t know how to spell--"get your story strait." You surely know the junior high school level differences in meaning between "strait" and "straight", but how do you compose a sentence which demonstrates fuzzy thought processes?
Thank you, you are kind, as noticed already. Of course, you got me there, as English is not my first language. I am glad you did get the point, though.
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Keithr is a "registered Magico hater". For years, constant drip of unfounded hate on all channels possible.
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So sorry Keith, but maybe your comment sounded like Alon has nothing to do with the products, hence the reactions🤔 You are back paddeling now, which is fine. I don’t think anyone thought that Magico is a one man show.
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All one need to do is search "Magico" Posted by" keithR" on WBF. Hundreds of posts mainly of unfounded hate. You’ll notice they hardly make sense if you bunch them all together. I wonder if he ever even heard a pair.
The funny part is that after years of searching (and hundreds more "KeithR’s Dream Speaker" posts), he ended up buying a speaker he can’t/will not use (YG Hailey). I don’t blame him, they are not that good (and I like YG). I did consider them but ended up with the Magico A5. A MUCH better speaker at half the price. But KithR will never admit to that 😶
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@viber6
Alon refers to the A series as "mundane"...
Did you watch the video? Where did he say that?
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