My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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Thank you WC, will you have the opportunity of exercising various filters and upsampling levels?


Few years ago, when I had the opportunity of having tEsoteric K-01 in my system for a substantial spell, I found that upsampling rates and various filter settings made a remarkable difference in the outcome.


Saluti, G.

 

WC - I see you came to the same conclusion on the dCS Upsampler vs the clock that I did. The improvement with the Upsampler is huge.

BTW I had my WC moment this weekend and auditioned the D’Agostino M400 Monoblocks in my system and was blown away. They took my system to new heights and made me realize it is time to move away from my ARC 250SE’s. The M400’s are the real deal.
@jonaiken
Yes I found the upsampler more impressive. As far as the m400s, I plan to bring those in 2020 right before they are replaced by the m500s. Next year there should be plenty of m400s on the used market. Word on the street is that the new m500s will be displayed by the  end of next year.
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@whitecamaross really great updates! Definitely matches my experiences with dCS. The upsampler, especially with DSDx2, has this liquid, analog sound that’s really giving my analog rig a run for its money. 
For the speaker cables, I know you had mentioned you had tried Transparent in the past and found them warm. My experience is that Nordost leans a bit bright. It’d be interesting if you could get your hands on some Transparent speaker cables. You have a very different system now and I wonder how they’d do. Seems worth a tryout before dropping Odin 2 money. 

Didn’t see any updates about the Boulder. Still in use? I’m eagerly awaiting the 2110 preamp delivery. 
Boulder 2010 is taking a back sest. I'm doing dac direct at this time. The upsampler was incredible with its analog-like sound. 
That kind of up sampling must me doable in a computer software or powerful sota server.
We are all in agreement that this thread has jumped all the sharks right?

My lord. What a thread. Pretty clear BURNER accounts BEING used BY many PEOPLE that love to occasionally WRITE IN ALL CAPS.

Then, we have...Viper, piping in about all sorts of things he has never owned or heard.

Topped off by the fact that the OP’s room has changed at least 3 times. Equipment is being compared with completely different speakers, rooms, and combinations. Rendering all previous comparisons moot.

But, it is however impressive that it keeps going. CONGRATS.
Ya, it was in the January issue of Stereophile. I got the impression from the printed review that Kal probably spent far more time setting it up as a multichannel preamp and keep in mind none of his other components are nearly as transparent as yours. I’m sure it’s a good product but I don’t think much can be determined from this review, with lack of comparisons and focus on multichannel. 
Alright guys ,
Can anyone recommend good amp stands or platforms for my xs300s so they aren’t on the floor anymore? I’m not looking to spend insane money on them so be mindful of that.
The amps are 19 wide by 27 deep. (inches) 

I want to say Merry Christmas to all of you. 

I really never thought that my posts would generate enough interest that people would actually want to leave a comment.

Here’s the thing. I still experience today that very same overwhelming excitement every time I receive an email notification that a comment has been left on one of my posts. EVERY SINGLE TIME!

 Granted, I no longer run around like a chicken with its head cut off when it comes to every single component I come across,  but I most certainly do get excited to review the next component and share my thoughts with you all. 

 I love that people want to leave comments here, not because I’m trying to set some kind of comment record, but simply because each comment leads to an interaction and it is these interactions that motivates me to continue writing and working on my craft  every day.

For those of you who have been visiting this site for a long time – I truly thank you for your never-ending support!

And to every other person who has ever read or chosen not to leave a comment don’t think for one moment that I don’t feel incredibly fortunate to have you as a reader and in many cases, as a friend. 

THANK YOU FOR THE EMAILS!

To all those who have emailed me over the last few years with questions, comments or just to say hello, let me tell you that these interactions are immensely rewarding to me as well. I encourage you to keep the emails coming as each one I receive quickly leads to an abnormally large smile stuck onto my face. And for anyone who has ever thought about sending me an email, you should never hesitate for even one second and who knows, maybe our paths will cross one day  ( I've met some of you at Axpona this year).

ONE LAST THING!

I’d just like to say once again, and this is for absolutely everyone, whether you’ve been hanging around my thread for months or only a few weeks or even if this is your first visit here…

Gracias!

Whitecamaross


If you don't want to spend insane money then look at the 3" maple stands with threaded inserts from Butcher Block Acoustics and the threaded footers of your choice. 
Merry Christmas to you!

I've been very happy with the Star Sound Sistrum Apprentice XLs under both my amps and speakers for several years now -

http://starsoundtechnologies.com/index.php






Merry Christmas @whitecamaross  and everyone reading this thread!

As for platform/ amp stand, I recommend Amish crafted, air dried maple wood from Mapleshade:

https://shop.mapleshadestore.com/Maple-Platforms_c_21.html
Lol. I thought those were your m400s ?

Thanks for all the amp stands recommendations. I will be looking at them after family commitments. 
WC,
Thanks for your heartfelt appreciation of everyone who contributes to your thread. I appreciate you in the same way. In fact, I just decided to look for a used Nordost Valhalla 1 power cord rather than a new lower grade PC from another company. The Odin 1 is probably the best for me if a super price comes along. I like your strategy of buying used, especially for cables where break in is very important--this is more reliable than buying new.

Merry Christmas.



@whitecamaross 

That wouldn't matter, as the amp actually sits on 4 vertical points that stick up from the platform, and doesn't sit on the platform itself.  I just added a pic to my system page showing that. 

Interesting. I'll need to ask them how this is done with a huge amp like the xs300 which has 6 feet instead of 4. 
@p59teitel that photo of the salons on that rack makes me nervous just looking at it. Seems like such narrow contact footprint for such a tall speaker. 

@whitecamaross check out modulum audio racks. They make a pretty large amp stand. I’m awaiting delivery of 8 shelves worth of their racks to replace my Box rack and currently have their amp stand in house on loan from the dealer and every component I’ve placed on it has responded with greatly enhanced clarity and broader dynamic range. Not cheap but not stupid expensive given the cost of those Pass amps.


Merry Christmas everyone :-)
THE BEST TIME OF THE YEAR ! ! ! ! 
Safe, healthy, prosperous and Happy New Year to all . . . 

Merry Holidays to all.
The Lampizator Balanced Pacific has been ordered and should be here at Sound Insight in the next few weeks. We auditioned the single ended unit a few days ago and was very impressed with how it compared to the top of the line Esoteric K01XS. Stay tuned.
I've owned that piece and added all possible outputs and inputs and it was amazing. I actually loved it as a preamp. 
@whitecamaross 
"Interesting. I'll need to ask them how this is done with a huge amp like the xs300 which has 6 feet instead of 4."

I'm thinking they would either say use 6 points or propose a custom solution.


@kstaken 
"that photo of the salons on that rack makes me nervous just looking at it. Seems like such narrow contact footprint for such a tall speaker."

I wouldn't do it if there were a five year old present, and the door is closed to keep the dog out when I'm not around.  But you can bump them without them moving much. 
Any thoughts on the  Lampizator vs Boulder preamplifiers? 
We realize both weren't present at the same time but any comparisons you can make would be insightful.
@whitecamaross 

WC, thanks for the very nice Christmas present. Like many, I've been following since near to, or at the beginning. I've enjoyed all the twists and turns and how you've ordered your journey. Looking forward to 2020 and all your observations. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to your and your family and to all following this thread.
The moment has arrived. I will be doing a comparison of the nordost Odin 1 PC vs Odin 2 PC plugged into my DCS. The speaker cables are still odin 1, standard PCs on the pass amps since I need to take one of them to compare it.
I’ll need to first let the Odin 2 settle in the system for about 24 hrs before I do any critical listening.
Everything will be plugged into the wall, moderate volume levels.
I also will be receiving cardas clear beyond xlr on Monday which will be compared against my Platinum 8 Wireworld.
Do me the honor of testing then for directionality. Yes, I realize Nordost says cables aren’t directional.

Hello Geofff, doing directionality tests on speaker wires is often feasible, but directionality tests on XLR signal wires and PCs may involve major conversion plugs acrobatics, which all by themselves would invalidate any results.


G.

    

Nevertheless, balanced cables should be controlled for directionality at the factory just like any other type of cable, no? Power cords, too. What’s the point of any test of anything if the cables are in the wrong direction? 
From Nordost website.

DIRECTIONALITY

Are Nordost cables directional?

Yes, Nordost cables are directional. This is especially true for single ended (RCA) interconnects as the shield is connected at the source or output end only.

Which way do directional arrows point on Nordost cables?

The directional arrows always point away from the source. For example, from a CD player to an amplifier, the arrows should point towards the preamplifier or power amplifier. On a speaker cable the arrows would always point towards the loudspeaker

How can cables be directional?

When cables are manufactured they do not have any directionality. However, as they break in, they acquire directionality.
Although the cable signal is an alternating current, small impurities in the conductor act as diodes allowing signal flow to be better in one direction over time. This effect is also called quantum tunneling, which has been observed in experiments over 25 years ago. Regardless of the purity of the metal used, there are still diode effects in all conductors. In addition, the insulation material will change when it is subjected to an electrical field.


Yes, I’m aware of that Nordost statement. It just goes to show you how far behind the times they are. It is apparently true that you can’t teach an old dog new tricks.
Nordost Odin 2 PC has arrived. I am going to simply plug it in and let it settle in. Impressions to come tonight and then tomorrow night as well. I want to see how this cable changes with continuous playtime. I remember that my Odin 1 didn’t wow me instantly but the next day after it had been playing music I was impressed tremendously. I am still unable to get out of nordost Odin powercords. I can’t find anything that rivals them and if it exists then please send it my way.
@geoffkait 
Not sure why you feel that they are behind technology because of this ? I mean I'll try reversing my nordost speaker cables to see if they sound any different. 
@geoffkait 

Maybe the 'Machina Dynamica Brilliant Pebbles Large (1)' that you sell on your website for $59.00 would bring one's system up to current times?  This might just be the trick us old dogs need to try!

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9gb3a-machina-dynamica-brilliant-pebbles-large-1-tweaks
Is a comprehensive and accurate assessment (and comparison) of 34 to 36 amplifiers in just 12 months possible?  Most professional reviewers take at least a couple of months of careful listening in conjunction with as many different components as they can lay their hands on before even attempting to arrive at and report on any firm conclusions.
Shunyata Research just released their Omega QR PC retailing at $9000.00 might be interesting.
Feedback I was given about it wasn't very good... Here's my issue with cable manufacturers: if they are releasing cables that retail at this price point , they better bring a dog fight for the big proven brands. One reason I like nordost Odin is that it sounds great and it actually sells once you are ready to sell it but then you scratch your head and wonder what the hell else would you get and well there aren't reslly many options that compare to nordost Odin. If I were a cable manufacturer and wanted to take down nordost Odin , Id buy nordost Odin and bring it to my factory and try to create something that bests it but the issue is that it isn't easy to do. It is not a walk in the park. 

rbach
@geoffkait

Maybe the ’Machina Dynamica Brilliant Pebbles Large (1)’ that you sell on your website for $59.00 would bring one’s system up to current times? This might just be the trick us old dogs need to try!

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9gb3a-machina-dynamica-brilliant-pebbles-large-1-tweaks

>>>>Hey, Brilliant Pebbles was the product that put me on the map. Why it was the map of Kuala Lumpur nobody seems to know.
If there's a better powercord than Odin 1 or Odin 2, please send it my way. I actually WANT to beat it but I've failed each time I've tried. 

whitecamaross


Once the ODIN2 has settled into your system, looking forward to your review of the 1 vs. 2 PC.


Happy Listening!