Hi daveyf, long time no talk! Great to see you active here. Since I’ve never heard the Bedrok I can’t speculate how much of a percentage the two play in comparison. As far as Cirkus to Karousel it was a surprisingly large improvement. I will say however the BooPlinth was absolutely the largest single performance improvement to come through my LP12 and it would be quite a feat to outpace that by another plinth. It seems Linn is confident in it based on list price. Have we had a listening review of the actual table and plinth from someone who knows the sound with and without?
Olskool
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It is odd that the plinth would have such an impact on a spring suspended turntable. I can easily understand the power supply, bearing, sub chassis, but plinth?
The fettlers I have talked to in the past all assured me that the plinth was the last area to gain any SQ…which did make some sense. Certainly when I swapped out my original Afro plinth for a new Oak plinth, there was a step up in SQ, but not comparable to the bearing swap out.
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@olskool
I saw some comments by a guy who had heard a direct comparison between the BooPlinth and Bedrok. I think it was in one of the Linn Facebook groups. He said that he preferred the BooPlitnth.
Ok, it’s only one person’s opinion, but at least it suggests it’s not a slam dunk that the Bedrok is better. That’d be pretty amazing considering the £6,000 price difference.
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@newton_john The term ’better’ is extremely subjective in our hobby. To one person, ’better’ means the system sounds louder without strain, to another ’better’ might mean the system plays softer with more realism. IMO, in order to truly determine if the ’Bedrok’ plinth suits one’s taste in reproduction more than another upgrade, one has to actually hear a Linn LP12 with Bedrok in one’s own system..and room. Then determine for oneself if the cost of said improvement ( if any) is worth it to the particular persons pocket book.
I am aware that some folk order the upgrades without first hearing what their $$’s will buy them...personally I fail to see the wisdom in that approach.
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What davey said, especially if considering an opinion from "some guy".
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@daveyf
As I said, it’s only one guy’s opinion.
Linn do have a very clear idea of what better means.
However, I’m a little surprised that one or two people appear to be spending £8,750, without first listening. I guess they just have to have the latest thing.
It’s not just a matter of it being better. It’s also a question if whether it is enough of an improvement to justify spending that much money. As we have discussed before, everybody has to make their own call on that.
Although I’m not surprised that some people do have faith in Linn’s upgrades. Their reputation is built on past performance. I can’t think of one supposed upgrade that wasn’t an improvement.
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Thanks for the note newton_john. I realize the sharing of the comment from another who had heard both was offered as one more twig of opinion in the campfire discussion of new gear for Linn and the price that accompanies it. I also agree with daveyf and lewm that certainly there is a lot more needed to empirically state that one is better than the other. Now that we’re talking about it I’m not so sure that there could actually be a definitive means of claiming that (same old argument for us I think), considering all the variances involved; hearing acuity, personal taste, room, gear (solid state vs. tube) etc. I’m just glad someone chimed in a while back about what they heard in reading about the BooPlinth followed by a fair amount of someones who heard the BooPlinth to cause me to take the risk to spend $2,400 US and buy it for my system. I think one of the downfalls of our hobby is there’s a lot that can’t easily be demonstrated, especially in your own home system. I guess I got lucky in that purchase that it all lined up for me as a great decision. Who knows, the Bedrok might blow me away too, just not sure that it’s value proposition is enough for me to take the risk.
Olskool
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@olskool
I am pleased to hear the BooPlinth was a success for you.
I did see one at an audio show. Unfortunately, it wasn’t in use at the time so I can’t comment on its sound.
My turntable is now back in action after a few weeks with a fault. It’s fantastic to have vinyl again. I just don’t get the same pleasure out of streaming Qobuz or local files on a DSM.
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Formed of orthogonal layers of beech placed under extreme pressure and heat to create... beech PLYWOOD.
I love my LP 12's but for this amount of money I would upgrade to an used SME Model 20.
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@weiserb There you have it…as the LP12 price increases, the options do as well.
I would certainly be looking at what the competition offers at the price of just a new plinth, never mind the full cost of the LP12 Klimax with Bedrok!
Linn must believe that their customers are so loyal that what the competition offers is irrelevant.
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@daveyf there’s potential reasons why Linn are confident of that:
- Better the devil you know - Linn have never let them down before
- Many customers have Exakt systems and want to keep their Urika IIs
- They like the LP12 sound
- Linn know that Bedrok improves sound considerably and will bear comparison with the competition
- Despite the price tag, it’s less expensive to upgrade than to change deck, phono stage and probably cartridge
- Long established customer relationships with Linn dealers
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For the US price of the Linn Bedrock you can get a brand new Rega Naia, flog off your Linn and buy a truckload of records.
No more weekly visits to the Linn Doctor, no migraines because the suspension has gone off, no more waiting for next weeks must have upgrade.
You get a TT that's commensurate with the Linn, and a truckload of money left over for records, other toys etc.
Like an old Bentley past its sell buy date, the Linn is a money pit.
More importantly do you want to spend your golden years fiddling with a Rube Goldberg TT , or would you rather spend them listening to music by buying a TT that does not require constant fettling, maintenance, prayers ( to the Linn gods ) and extreme patience.
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@newton_john You make some good points, but to the typical consumer, like Dover above, the idea of a high priced table that may or may not compete with the competition, and one that needs a specific set up, is an issue.
i’m more in the middle of these two positions, personally, I like the table enough to consider it a keeper, but as the price for the upgrades sky rockets,I’m more open to looking at the competition. Plus, I think weiserb correctly pointed out, there are alternatives at certain price points that might be superior.
Your point about the Exact users and others who need the Urika phono stages is valid, luckily that does not apply to me, and I would suspect the majority of folks.
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@daveyf
Linn’s target market for the Bedrok is existing owners of the Klimax LP12.
Their choice is whether to stick with what they’ve got or upgrade to a Bedrok.
No doubt, they will be some who go for the upgrade.
The mere existence of the upgrade is not going to cause those who don’t upgrade to suddenly do an about turn and sell their turntables so they can buy Regas instead.
I am not at all sure why you think the typical consumer like Dover’s opinions on the LP12 have any bearing on this.
It’s not a matter of luck that you’re not an Exakt user. It was the result of choices that you’ve made.
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It's the value of materials over the obvious extortion that bugs me. I've been quoted $800 to have a one-off block of Panzerholz, a CAD and a CNC waterjet plinth built for a Garrard 401.
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@noromance while I agree with you, the price of the new Bedrok plinth seems excessive, I also know that unless a very high price is asked for high end anything, potential buyers assume it is less worthy.
Looking at the latest issue of The Absolute Sound, we see numerous pieces of gear that are priced at or above the price of a brand new car! The complexity of just about any new vehicle, never mind the number of parts and engineering prowess that has come into play, makes all high end audio gear look ludicrous on its face.
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@newton_john No question, you are correct that Linn’s target market for the new Bedrok plinth are existing Klimax owners. I know of one such owner who has ordered the new plinth.
My point is that as the price asked increases to the sky, personally I would be becoming more discerning and make sure that the table I am considering will perform at the highest level. I would not, and will not, just keep jumping on the Linn upgrade band wagon without at least educating myself as to what the competition offers at similar price points.It does surprise me that the person whom I know who has ordered the Bedrok has not done this, but he falls into the category of high end consumer that shops by price, assuming the higher, the better.
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@daveyf Yup. There are so many wealthy folks nowadays with open checkbooks and not a care in the world willing to pay for high-priced toys.
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@daveyf
Your second paragraph is complete nonsense.
The price of the LP12 relative to other turntables hasn’t changed at all.
What has happened is that Linn, not for the first time, have launched a additional level of the turntable above the current Klimax LP12.
This is not going to make any difference to the sales of the existing LP12 range of products. Why should the existence of an additional option put people off the LP12 and push them to other brands anymore than they are already inclined?
It is actually a positive as LP12 owners now have another level to aspire to, even if they don’t want it or can’t afford it at the present time. How on earth can that make the LP12 less competitive as you imply?
As always, any development in the LP12 orbit brings out all the Linn bashers and those who are jealous of people with greater spending power. Why give them any more encouragement with that spurious argument?
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Is there any truth to the rumour that a family in Scotland Klimaxed when they heard the upcoming price of the Bedrok. Or was that a Ekos in his pocket?
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@newton_john you seem to fail to comprehend that as the LP12 increases in price that it now encounters more able competition. To the more sophisticated consumer, that now leads them away from the Linn turntable. Remember that the table still has several issues that are, at least to the advanced hobbyists, problematic. One is the fact that the table cannot utilize multiple tonearms, two, the fact that the current arm is not competitive at the highest level, and three, the table will always be susceptible to issues with set up, requiring a ‘fettler’ ( many of whom in the US are becoming extinct). I can go on and on. But don’t get me wrong, I am still a big Linn fan, just not a blind and besotted fan…the type that Linn are hoping to sell their plinth to.
Also,your second sentence is complete nonsense, why because by adding over $11k to the table for the cost of just the plinth, Linn have now absolutely changed the ratio of cost/value to their competitors.
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@daveyf
Of course, you and other sophisticated consumers will make decisions about turntables as you see fit. That is as it should be,
Where you are completely wrong is to claim that the game has changed because the price of the LP12 has increased. It hasn’t increased at all. The Majik, Select and Klimax versions and all other permutations of the LP12 available up to now are as competitive with other turntables as they have ever been.
The fact that we now have a new Bedrok version of the LP12 doesn’t change that. You are talking as if the Bedrok has become compulsory. Clearly it isn’t.
Yes, the Bedrok version of the LP12 will be competing in a higher price bracket, but with a higher level of performance. I don’t know how well it will sell. Or even if Linn care about that. They may be relying on upgrade sales to existing Klimax LP12 owners.
For all we know, it might give Linn access to a new market segment. I can’t say. The only indication we have is that they appeared to have done very well out of the considerably more expensive LP12-50, despite the chorus of naysayers online. So it is a fair presumption that they know what they are doing here.
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@newton_john I am not saying that the entry level price of the LP12 Majik is any less competitive than it was before, nor the other variations up to the Klimax. But I do think that when you add the cost of the new Bedrok to the Klimax, or probably for that matter even the Akurate model, you now encounter, as a consumer, a larger range of competitors that may or may not be more to your liking. Obviously, no one has to opt for the Bedrok plinth, but the question becomes if they do, have these very same buyers done their homework?
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@daveyf
In that case, we are in agreement.
I have already said that the new Bedrock version of LP12 enters a new segment of the market, different from where the current Select and Klimax configurations are positioned. No one can know for sure how successful this venture will be.
As I am not currently considering any turntable purchases, the number of competitors the LP12 has is neither to my liking or disliking. These are not football teams to support, merely products that some people may chose between. It’s not a matter of being a fan of anything.
We’ve already been through the various reasons why a Klimax LP12 owner might chose to upgrade to the Bedrok. I don’t subscribe to your somewhat jaundiced view that those who follow this route are blind and besotted.
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In Europe, a Clearaudio Innovation is under €11,000. That gets you two panzerholz/alu chassis, plus ceramic magnetic bearing, stainless/POM platter etc.
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@newton_john I think you misread a lot into my posts. I did not state that all Bedrok buyers are 'blind and besotted'. I did say that I am not 'blind and besotted' when it comes to the various Linn products. There certainly are, at least IMO, a lot of Linn consumers who this applies to ( blind and besotted when it comes to the line). Not necessarily all of the Bedrok consumers, like you assumed I stated.
Also, notice what @yoyoyaya posted above. The price of the table he references equates to JUST the price of the Bedrok plinth in the US!
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@daveyf
Humble apologies. I got that totally wrong. I should have realised it would have been out of character for you to say something like that. Sorry, I’ll read more carefully next time.
I look forward to a company such as Tangerine Audio bringing out a cheaper version of the Bedrok.
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@newton_john No worries mate, it’s just a hobby. Now back to discussing the many attributes of the Linn LP12 table.
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@daveyf - btw, that price I quoted includes 20 percent EU sales tax!
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@yoyoyaya That aspect makes it even worse! I have to question how many folks will pony up for the Bedrok, vs. simply going in another direction with another table, at a price like you brought our attention to.
Interesting thing, and I’m not sure if this is totally correct, on a Linn forum, there is a well informed member who informed the group that Linn do not actually manufacture the Bedrok plinth themselves! Instead it is farmed out to a secondary vendor, who specializes in woodwork. Apparently, Linn do no woodwork themselves. This might explain some of the price attributable to the Bedrok..maybe?
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@daveyf Even if Linn have the cnc machinery, it probably isn't worth their while tying up a machine making those plinths given the volumes involved. More generally, very few audiophile hi fi manufacturers are vertically integrated - i.e make everything in house. But there's no easy rule about make / buy, decisions as they are called. SME is an example of a company with very high levels of vertical integration and it doesn't result in their turntables being particularly affordable.
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If I were a Linn aficionado, the Bedrock would stimulate me to think up other ways to make a plinth that would probably cost less but also further improve upon the bedrock. I think the one piece bamboo idea is terrific but why no internal cross bracing if rigidity is a goal and why no attempt to fill the hollow space below the works with a contoured structure of the same composition? Has that been tried and found wanting?
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@lewm Presumably you are talking about the Booplinth? You ask some great questions, why no bracing etc.,
There have been a number of aftermarket plinth makers, some involving all metal plinths, various wood combo’s etc., none of these have been that successful from a SQ perspective.
Also, there is certainly a premium attached to a plinth that comes from Linn themselves, even if they are re-badging the product. I suspect that Linn did not want a bamboo plinth, as they would be in direct competition with the Booplinth, and they knew that they needed to exceed the ability of that product. Apparently, this has been accomplished with the new Bedrok...at a price!
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Yes, I guess I was thinking of the Booplinth, when I referred to bamboo, not the Bedrock. But my subsequent wondering about this and that applies to both. Why no cross-bracing? And why no attempt to create a plinth that fills in the void under the platform that supports everything else with sculpted wood or other material, sculpted to accommodate the workings that hang down, so as to eliminate the potentially resonant air chamber? That approach has been successful with idler drives (Garrard and Lenco aftermarket plinths) and with direct drive (see PBN Audio plinth for DP80). Since I approach the question from a position of complete naivete’, I wonder whether it has been done and was not so successful. No devoted Lenco-ite would be caught listening with the OEM Lenco plinth, which was hollow inside.
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Linn do machining of Klimax cases out of solid blocks of aluminium. So I guess the machining of the Bedrok is not beyond them, it must just suit them to outsource it.
The Bedrok has been sculpted out to the extent necessary to accommodate the sub chassis, Urika, etc. It comes with a top plate already attached.
Here’s what Linn say on their website. Make of it what hou will.
Bedrok™ for LP12 is the first-ever, plinth performance upgrade from Linn. Formed of orthogonal layers of beech placed under extreme pressure and heat to create an entirely new, solid and massive material, this engineered, ultra-dense wood has negligible resonance and superior acoustic isolation.
Rock solid
The LP12 plinth affects everything. Everything is mounted to it, and every component depends on its stability, mass, and resonance characteristics. With more than double the density of a standard LP12 plinth, Bedrok™ is uniformly solid, heavy, and ultra-low resonance.
Reach beneath the surface
Bedrok™ technology makes each component the plinth houses perform better. It’s an holistic upgrade which improves every aspect of your LP12 – more pace, tighter bass, greater insight, and greater enjoyment!
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@daveyf
There’s just one more thing in relation to what you say above.
It’s not a straight choice between upgrading a Klimax LP12 to Bedrok or selling it to buy another brand of turntable. I would suggest that a far more likely option for most owners is merely to stick with the Klimax LP12.
Anyone who’s actually heard the current Klimax LP12, particularly with the synergy it has in an appropriate Linn Exakt system, would be aware that this is bound to be the default position.
Whatever the competition may be, this is still an amazing sounding turntable. Miles better than it was even a few years ago before Karousel, etc.
People don’t just became dissatisfied with their turntables overnight because a new upgrade has become available.
In any case, selling it to buy another brand of turntable is unlikely to be a cost effective option.
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@newton_john Again, your post is not really my point. I’m sure you are correct that if a LP12 Klimax owner is currently happy with his table, he won’t be selling it, and certainly not at a loss. Plus, like you mention, the Klimax LP12 is an excellent table. But for those who are looking at the upgrade path, as the expense of upgrades increases to the point where the competition looks better and better, then my point is that a consumer who is well educated on what the competition offers and on the turntable market in general, will certainly look elsewhere. Whether that consumer will pull the trigger on an alternate option is the chance that Linn is apparently willing to take. Personally, and I think I have mentioned this before, at the price of the Bedrok upgrade, plus the cost I have already attributed to my Linn, I would be shopping the used market...and maybe even the new market at higher prices. I do feel that the Linn LP12 Majik has a very good appeal to the new buyer who is looking for an entry point into the high end market of tables. BUT, at $40K plus for the LP12 Klimax with Bedrok..or even at the $60K that is/was being asked for the LP12 50th, then as a consumer,if those prices are affordable, I would also most likely not have an affordability issue with a table that was say $100K. This brings into question a factor that I question whether Linn’s marketing arm has anticipated??
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@daveyf
“@newton_john Again, your post is not really my point.”
It is hard to pin down what your point is.
“I’m sure you are correct that if a LP12 Klimax owner is currently happy with his table, he won’t be selling it, and certainly not at a loss. Plus, like you mention, the Klimax LP12 is an excellent table.”
So far so good.
“But for those who are looking at the upgrade path, as the expense of upgrades increases to the point where the competition looks better and better, then my point is that a consumer who is well educated on what the competition offers and on the turntable market in general, will certainly look elsewhere.”
Not necessarily so. As the price of the upgrades increases, so does the performance. Surely, by adding the Bedrok to its range of products, Linn decreases the chances of a Klimax LP12 owner looking towards other brands.
“Whether that consumer will pull the trigger on an alternate option is the chance that Linn is apparently willing to take.”
That is just the nature of the free market.
“Personally, and I think I have mentioned this before, at the price of the Bedrok upgrade, plus the cost I have already attributed to my Linn, I would be shopping the used market...and maybe even the new market at higher prices.”
And personally, I will be sticking with my current turntable and maybe do the Utopik for Radikal upgrade when it comes. But what you and I would do is not necessarily representative of the market in general.
“I do feel that the Linn LP12 Majik has a very good appeal to the new buyer who is looking for an entry point into the high end market of tables.”
Agreed. The Majik LP12 appears to be Linn’s loss-leader to pull new people into the LP12, so they have more owners to sell upgrades to in future. There’s a much larger pool of potential buyers at this level than there is for turntables as expensive as a new Klimax LP12.
“BUT, at $40K plus for the LP12 Klimax with Bedrok..or even at the $60K that is/was being asked for the LP12 50th, then as a consumer,if those prices are affordable, I would also most likely not have an affordability issue with a table that was say $100K. This brings into question a factor that I question whether Linn’s marketing arm has anticipated??”
You’ve lost me here. Are you saying that someone who can afford $40K is just as likely to spend $100? I would doubt that – it is a massive jump. It remains to be seen whether the Bedrok becomes a success for Linn. However, the LP12-50 did sell.
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"Are you saying that someone who can afford $40K is just as likely to spend $100? I would doubt that – it is a massive jump. It remains to be seen whether the Bedrok becomes a success for Linn. However, the LP12-50 did sell."
That is exactly what I am saying. If a hobbyist is willing to pull the trigger at a price of $40K or $60K then yes, I am pretty certain that this very same hobbyists can afford a $100K for a turntable. Otherwise they probably shouldn’t be pulling the trigger on these LP12’s in the first place.
One question...and I think this is maybe where we differ: At what price do you decide that the upgrade cost of the LP12 is a bridge too far? IOW, the cost to acquire the latest and greatest Linn upgrade now puts it squarely in competition with a table that you suspect betters the platform in all ways ( maybe even in most ways)
My question does assume that you have knowledge of what the competition offers, something that I am unsure whether you ( maybe most UK based Linnies?), or for that matter Linn themselves, are truly cognizant of!
As an example of this...again look at what @yoyoyaya posted above. Just one example of many.
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@daveyf
“That is exactly what I am saying. If a hobbyist is willing to pull the trigger at a price of $40K or $60K then yes, I am pretty certain that this very same hobbyists can afford a $100K. Otherwise they probably shouldn’t be pulling the trigger on either.”
The $60K LP12-50 is history now and it did sell to people who’d didn’t spend $100K. It is a bold claim that a customer with £40K to spend on an LP12 is likely to suddenly decide to lash out an extra $60K on top of that. In any case, these customers are extremely rare. To say that they don’t walk into the average HiFi store every day would be a vast understatement. My dealer said that has never happened to him. Every single one of them is an individual case, so we can’t generalise about them.
“One question...and I think this is maybe where we differ: At what price do you decide that the upgrade cost of the LP12 is a bridge too far?”
How long is a piece of string?
“IOW, the cost to acquire the latest and greatest Linn upgrade now puts it squarely in competition with a table that you suspect betters the platform in all ways ( maybe even in most ways)”
What does IOW stand for? Not Isle of Wight, I presume. As I have said before, that puts an improved configuration of the LP12 into a new market segment. This can’t possibly mean less sales for Linn.
“My question does assume that you have knowledge of what the competition offers, something that I am unsure whether you ( maybe most UK based Linnies?), or for that matter Linn themselves, are truly cognizant of!”
I am confident that most people who have bought a turntable that they are happy with don’t waste time researching hypothetical alternatives. If you’d seen Linn’s factory and met Gilad and the other people there, you’d realise that they will most definitely have researched their markets. If they didn’t do that, they would have come a cropper years or even decades ago.
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@newton_john Let me relate something to you...which may or may not be relevant to our discussion, I had a conversation with a Linn rep about a year ago, this person was in Scotland ( because at the time they had fired or dropped their US rep, preferring to rep the line in the US from the UK!!!) . I informed him that in the USA, the distances between states and cities can be vast. Unlike in the UK wherein there are a number of ’fettlers’ within a small distance, in the USA, that is many times not the case. For instance, my old ’fettler’ just retired resulting in the next guy who does this work being about 200 miles north of me...and he is in 90’s!! None of this info was known by the Linn rep. So, when you tell me they have researched their markets...perhaps re-think that statement. IOW, in other words...what you see as the Linn norm and understandable in the UK, may not apply worldwide. ;0)
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With all this talk I'll have to get my lp12 out and spin again.dust that vinyl off.enjoy the music
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@daveyf
I can only speak as I find.
Sorry to hear you’ve experienced problems.
Linn are a relatively small company and it’s a big world. It’s bound to face some challenges. Yet, I have a friend in North America who is happy with his local Linn dealer. There is at least one dealer in the UK who has LP12 customers in the US. My dealer just sent an LP12 to Africa. It’s not all bad.
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@mark200mph
Then at least some good has come out of it.
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Yes I got mine at an estate sale did not know what is was had several hundred lp and cd with it.he had to go to a home.im sure my time is comming also.he fell over on it knocked it off and it fell apart.i just put it back together.i sent him pics of all his stuff in service and he was just happy to see it being used.it also came with old krell stuff and I knew that was good.happy listening and I understand the guru for these is in colorado.sounds like a road trip this summer in the corvette.what fun,that alone makes it worth it.enjoy life stay healthy cuz music calms the savage beast.we could have a discussion on the mesolimbic system of the brain but that would be boaring.
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@newton_john Thanks. I didn't really experience problems with Linn, I experienced problems due to the lack of local dealer support. The gent whom I went to to 'fettle' my Linn is as stated, hundreds of miles north of me, BUT he was well worth visiting as his ability to dial in the table is superior to anyone I have used before, including my old and retired 'fettler'. This aspect is one that I think is somewhat overlooked by Linn owners. There are 'fettlers' and there are 'fettlers'. I never realized how much a true expert in set up vs. a merely competent one, can extract the last bit of SQ from the LP12! Hard to know when this is the case, as I had assumed, perhaps like most folks, that the prior set up was great. The table certainly sounded very good before, but since I have had the chance to hear what the best of them can accomplish, it is somewhat eye opening!
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@daveyf
That’s very interesting. I always thought that anyone trained by Linn could do it as well as anyone else.
The guy who looks after me now has 35 years experience. That may go some way to explain why I have enjoyed vinyl so much more recently. Maybe he learned a few tricks along the way. I put it all down to Urika II. Of course, upgrades may have been involved too.
Also, I have been puzzled why the turntable takes a couple of sides or more to warm up fully. It doesn’t really sing until the third or fourth album. It was not like that before.
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@newton_john Your assumption about the Linn training was my assumption too. That was drastically altered once i heard what the new ’fettler’ was able to accomplish with my table. Not that the old tech was bad, just that there were a few things that he obviously did that weren’t 100% correct. Minor detail things that clearly the new ’fettler’ got 100% correct. ( I can’t explain exactly what these were, but the results speak for themselves). Probably this is why folk in the UK seek out the likes of Peter Swain and others of his experience level.
Here in the US, as I alluded to before, these ’fettlers’ are unfortunately a dying breed. Not sure if they are being replaced, but it does not seem so. That is one of the biggest aspects that concerns me going forward with the table, to be very honest.
You question why the table takes a few more sides to come into tune...that is a great question! Maybe it is something like this:
My new ’fettler’ showed me that the oil level in my Karousel bearing was not quite correct, it had oil in it, but not quite enough. So, IOW ( in other words) my old ’fettler’ put in the oil, but didn’t have enough experience to know exactly how much was required. He put enough in to not do damage, but that was not quite correct. Perhaps something like this is occurring with your table?
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I had never heard the word "fettler" until reading this thread. I am aware of the term "fettle", as in the term "fine fettle", which I guess means everything is copacetic for that individual or that object. Wikipedia has several disparate definitions for fettler, only one of which seems applicable to the care and feeding of an LP12. See definition #3 here. And even that definition does not specify that the thing is done well.
Is fettler a term adopted by Linn explicitly to refer to a tech who is qualified to work on the LP12? If so, an inept fettler does not leave your LP12 in fine fettle.
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