No absolutely not. Yes they will warp badly
Everyone seems to store records vertically yet it's far from obvious just why. Is it because the printed label is usually slightly raised, and storing flat would push the edges down eventually causing warping? Is it the same reason people store guitars vertically? Long term gravity effects? If so, then I suppose they would have to be stored totally straight up and not at an angle. |
It has always seemed to me that the only point at which storing LPs vertically may become advantageous as regards to warping is when they are fairly tightly packed on a shelf with firm left and right boundaries. Otherwise, like someone else said, storing them vertically really means storing them at an angle to the vertical, which could actually promote warping. |
I see a lot of LP collections with the records leaning to one side. As @dseltz just said, given enough time LP’s thus stored can become "dish" warped. I years ago came up with a solution: you know the cardboard "spacers" you routinely find inside the mailing cartons your LP shipments arrive in? Don’t toss ’em, keep ’em and use them to take up the empty space in each section of your LP shelves. Doing so keeps the LP’s perfectly vertical, and one spacer can be removed for every new LP that needs to go in that section. Record stores receive one or two spacers in each carton of LP’s they are shipped; ask your LRS for the ones they routinely recycle. I have two linear feet of them! |
OP has 'run out of storage space'. So why does piling records horizontally occupy less space than vertically? The records have a fixed volume. And yes, horizontally will cause warping after a while. Gravity will act on the less well supported outer areas and cause them to fall. LPs should not be so loosely stacked that they lean to one side, weighing against each other. Nor should they be tight enough to create side pressure. Just densely enough so that the stand vertically without pressuring each other. |
I’ve played records as long as most any one here and I don’t believe the warpage is the reason Not to store horizontal. I believe @billzame may be right about the bottom records becoming damaged. I’ve sorted through and bought many records that were stored horizontal. The problem with almost every one of them is ring wear on the cover. The ring wear got progressively worse the further down the pile that I went. IF the album had any warp, it was very slight and not problematic. So 20 albums may not be a problem. Its not the best but if it is all you have, then maybe try it. But an alternative is a closet. I have some of my less desirable in a closet. My son once commented that there were albums behind every door |
You need gaps if you sort alphabetically. I did tricks over the years to keep em upright. I inherited LPs that came with true library shelving with recessed metal tracks and dividers, Expensive, doubtful I would ever have spent that much but it’s the best/easiest system I ever had. My friend had found a library selling it’s shelving. Actually, I kept only the individual shelves with integral backs/tracks/dividers, and put them on rolling steel shelving, not attractive, but in the garage. |
Just a note. Stacking horizontally can cause damage to the vinyl it self due to contaminants presence on the surface. Weight is the issue. I have stored my collection of over 2k lip’s for over 20 plus years. In addition some of my collection are over 60 years old and still play like new. Get some crates and store vertically. Also ikea makes some crates that might work. |
Ever been at the bottom of a dog pile as a kid? A stack of 50 records is already getting heavy. The bottom 10 records will see enough pressure that, in summer or a warmish day, they will yield to a warp. Can I prove this? Probably not in this post. But I bet you can see my logic. How are some of you questioning sage wisdom? Books are stored this way to take pressure off the binding. It just makes sense. Do you want to take the bottom record out? What a PITA. You will damage the bottom few records just to access them. Stack them vertically and they’re all just as easy to get at. Should I go on? |
Right. The proper way to store records is upright between upright bookend or cabinet walls snuggly but not tightly packed. Records should slide in and out easily. Upright storage lends itself to easy accession and cataloging. It is essential to protect records from any heat source. You do not store records stacked horizontally. Records are not flat. The label and rim are elevated standing proud of the playing surface of the record. If one record is a little off from another the rim will sink down at the unsupported area. Add a little heat and you have a perfect warp machine. The upmost record is exposed and at risk. Why? The most common cause of record warping is???? The sun shining through a window landing on exposed records. During the day the sun travels across the sky scanning the better part of many rooms. 2-3 minutes of focused heat is all it takes. If you leave your records lying around exposed and have any unblinded windows facing the sun it is only a matter of time before one gets nailed. If you look at my system page you will see a proper record cabinet. Note the records stand 1/2" proud of the shelves. This makes it much easier to get the records out without damaging the cover. Put one finger above and one below. The record slides right out. |
LP records are thicker in the middle. Some outer edges are thicker than others, but generally, not as thick as the centers (labels, etc.). So, stack 'em like pancakes and they will sag and not uniformly - they warp. The warp sends a very low, sub audio, frequency into your gear, drives it nuts, keeps changing the VTA (relationship between the stylus and the groove walls) and generally makes a mess. Besides, how are you going to pull out that favorite disk you havent played in a few years when there are 57 records piled on top of it? Stay vertical, friend. |
@heretobuy Goodness, that rig looks highly unstable on its tiny angled feet. Anyone who has lifted that number of LPs knows how heavy they are. A dog or a small child could accidentally knock it over and the falling LPs cause injury or worse. I wouldn't have it in my house. |
overall, I would say its not a good idea. |
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I have a different experience with horizontal stacked storage of LP’s. While I do not recommend horizontal storage it may not be as risky as some people make it out to be. I recently cleaned out a room in a relatives house where several hundred albums had been stored for more than thirty years. About half these albums were stacked horizontally and NONE of them are warped. This room was not heated or cooled and was basically left to the whims of the ambient weather for decades, sometimes it would be 40F and sometimes it could be 90F. No mold, no rot, just dust and some fading due to ambient light. Your mileage may vary.
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