To those who post these annoying political blah blah blahs here, apparently yes.Looks like it's grade school time, again.
You're banished to the kid's table.
All the best,
Nonoise
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Is this what Kudlow meant when he said “air tight”?Time for My City Was Gone by the Pretenders. All the best, Nonoise |
Why assume it will be gone in 6 months? Not sure they know enough to make that prediction. Could make a comeback like the Spanish flu, might be a yearly occurrence where a vaccine is needed. This virus is new though similar to other viruses the experts I've been listening too say they don't know what course this will take. |
djones51, Good point but I'm not assuming it will be eradicated, no one is in a position to predict that. My belief is that 6 months down the road much more will be known and analyzed. It will simply be an informative comparison to make given this current early stage of a viral outbreak that generates in some cases wild speculation. The 2009 H1N1 (swine flu) went on for roughly a year. It infected 50 to 60 million Americans but didn't generate a fraction of the hysteria we have now with COVID 19. Charles |
In 2009 schools closed, social distancing was enacted, US Gov declared a national health emergency within a few weeks and the CDC released millions of antivirals and respiratory equipment. No we didn't panic as much but it wasn't as deadly. We have no antivirals that work on this virus, the response it to try and get ahead as much as possible with the only thing we can do make people aware and use social distancing, Hygiene methods of washing hands and covering sneezing and coughing. https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/cdcresponse.htm |
The reason why H1N1 didn't raise such a panic is that we were right on top of it and worked like hell to solve it. CDC’s response to the 2009 H1N1 pandemic response was complex, multi-faceted and long-term, lasting more than a year. This document seeks to document for the public the key events of the pandemic as they unfolded and CDC’s response. The following is a summary narrative of highlighted CDC-related events from the 2009 H1N1 pandemic.https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/cdcresponse.htm It still managed to kill anywhere from 151,700-575,400 worldwide. Some say a number of 284,000 deaths worldwide is the likely amount. All the best, Nonoise |
Give me a break, it is absolutely ridiculous all the panic...More people in the USA ALONE on average 30-50 thousand, die of the flu every year. How many have died of corona in the USA? About 38, wow!!!! it is overblown to the degree that it is causing the stock market to crash...down 2300 points just today! And wow, 1 actor (if he is even truthful) has it out of how many actors in this country? And 1 NBA player out of how many? Whoopdedo....honestly being overblown with the help of the liberal media and the radical left democratic party to tank the economy and ruin Trumps re election prospects period. You will most likely be struck by lightning than to meet or happen to know someone that has it or comes down with it. Geez....... |
"No panic" because we were "Right on top of it!" I love how people re-write history.... LoLz This was 6 months AFTER the Swine flu emerged in April 2009. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/64599-obama-declares-swine-flu-a-national-emergency
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Ya I like the warm fuzzy of us all gathering in six months for the after action review... except it ain’t gonna be all of us.... and with friends, family and past co-workers in Italy... the overload of ICU is killing people with other malady as HC staff are forced to make brutal allocative decisions...add the ICU required % to your calculations and this virus is deadly way way beyond swine flu |
Let’s see, in Massachusetts 101 people supposedly have it.....hmmm, population of the state 6.9 million, let’s do math.....101 divided by 6,900,000 = .0000146 people have it. Lolzzzzz Run for the hills.......clear the store shelves of that sanitizer.....oh and toilet paper???? Will never grasp that one, sorry. |
By October 2009 an estimated 20,000 people had been hospitalized with Swine flu with over 1,000 deaths. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-usa-obama/obama-declares-swine-flu-a-national-emergency-idUSTRE59N19E20091024 H1N1, declared a public health emergency earlier in the year, has killed more than 1,000 people in the United States and put more than 20,000 in the hospital since it emerged earlier this year, the CDC said. But health officials are quick to note that the actual number of cases cannot be measured. |
tomic6014,412 posts 03-12-2020 7:56pmand with friends, family and past co-workers in Italy... the overload of ICU is killing people with other malady as HC staff are forced to make brutal allocative decisions... Are you purposely trying to misstate the reason for the high mortality rate in Italy??? https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-deaths-from-coronavirus-are-so-high-in-italy/ One factor affecting the country’s death rate may be the age of its population—Italy has the oldest population in Europe, with about 23% of residents 65 or older, according to The New York Times. The median age in the country is 47.3, compared with 38.3 in the United States, the Times reported. Many of Italy’s deaths have been among people in their 80s, and 90s, a population known to be more susceptible to severe complications from COVID-19, according to The Local. Given Italy’s older population, “you would expect their mortality rate to be higher on average, all else being held equal,” compared with a country with a younger population, Gordon told Live Science. |
Just another example of selective history. If you bothered to read the link provided, you’d see that the virus was discovered on April 15 and on April 18, the CDC reported it to the WHO and coordinated efforts. By April 21, the CDC began working on the vaccine. By the 22nd, the CDC opened it’s EOC (emergency operations center) and by the 24th completed gene sequencing, offering it to the world to speed up research and response. Did you forget that it takes 12-18 months to come up with a vaccine? I could go on but you can read it all for yourself. Everything you cite was done to speed things up but we were on top of it, unlike now. All the best, Nonoise |
Coronavirus: South Korea’s infection rate falls without citywide lockdowns like China, Italy
Health workers wearing protective gear take samples from employees at a building in Seoul where 46 people were confirmed to have the Covid-19 coronavirus. Photo: AFPSouth Korea has seen a steady decrease in new coronavirus cases for four consecutive days, despite being one of the worst-affected countries outside China, although global attention has shifted towards outbreaks in Italy and Iran.
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"Give me a break, it is absolutely ridiculous all the panic...More people in the USA ALONE on average 30-50 thousand, die of the flu every year. How many have died of corona in the USA? About 38, wow!!!!" The issue is not how many have it and how many have died so far. The issue is how many will get it and die from it, and at this point in time nobody knows. At this link you will find current data (updated at least once a day). Look at the current trends, make your most educated guess as to what will happen to those trends in the future, and draw your own conclusions: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/ Duke |
"In the US the numbers are 1537 cases and 40 deaths. That equates to a mortality rate of just over 2.5%." No, it doesn't, at all. Those 1537 cases are the KNOWN cases. How many more people out there have it and are experiencing either none or mild symptoms and have not come to the attention of the medical community? It could be in the thousands. To get an accurate mortality rate, you would have to include ALL those cases in the denominator. I suspect that Dr. Fauci is correct that the mortality rate will be around that 1% level or less. Granted, that would be ~10 times that of the seasonal flu, but certainly not the 3-5% figure that the alarmists are throwing out there. |
I had to go see a doctor here in Bellevue today. For those who don't know I work in health care, 15 years x-ray, and live in Redmond, which if you look on a map is within 5 miles of Kirkland and just about everyone who has died in Washington State so far. Back in January I posted the Public Service Announcement thread that was chock full of so much verifiably accurate information on the subject that it caused a big commotion and was of course taken down. Because that's what we do with Truth nowadays: shout it down, bully it into silence, pretend it does not exist. The difference between this and all the other BS its compared to is this is spreading and infecting people at an exponential rate that sees infections double somewhere between every 2 and 7 days. The difference being not the actual infection rate, but the rate at which it is tested for. If like in the US you do not test, then presto, you do not have cases. So we supposedly had just the one man in Everett back in January. Man got off a plane from China, we are supposed to believe he was the only one on the plane infected. Does that sound reasonable to you? Okay. Whatever. Let's assume for the sake of argument it really was just the one. Four days later, 2. Four days later, 4. Do the math. Month later its 1500, 2000, something like that. Almost exactly the same time as suddenly it kills half a dozen at one nursing home. There were at the time 120 being cared for there. Next thing you know its less than 70. Where did they go? No one knows. For some reason they test 35 of the remaining. 31 come up positive. Does it seem reasonable that all the 70 who left were okay? When 31 of 35 are infected? A Bellevue lab does a gene sequence study, estimates based on genome alone 1500 carriers. Does anyone notice? Doubling rate, 1500 to 2000. Gene study 1500. Same time frame. Anyone? Beuller? Couple weeks ago I notice a nasty bump on my face. Nasty as in want a cancer specializing dermatologist to have a look and excise it. Did I mention I am in health care? I do not go out and expose myself to the greatest global pandemic of my lifetime for no good reason. Anyone care to guess what happens next? They call and say hey, our receptionist tested positive. But its okay, she's only part time, and we clean real good. I am not kidding! So how's that for a choice, eh? Cancer. Virus. So I put my N95 mask on and suck it up. Get there, guess who is the only one wearing a mask? Right. Receptionist (different one!) says we don't need a mask. Nurse checks me in, says we don't need a mask. MD asks me how's it going. Well pretty good except for none of you wearing a mask. Do you not know this is aerosol? Yes we know its aerosol. (MD in on conspiracy theory then? Rhetorical Q) Do you not know contagious without symptoms? Yes we know that too. MD then proceeds to tell me in no uncertain terms that I am right, that he agrees with me totally, that everyone should be wearing a mask, and that he is constantly arguing with management but they will not let him wear a mask because the CDC says you don't need a mask. So we all know we need a mask. But because the CDC says we don't, now millions will die. No exaggeration. Because do the math. The 1500-2000, that was 2 weeks ago. 2000 became 4000 became 8000 and its now north of 10,000. Long before the end of April, even at the lower 7 day doubling rate, it will be a million infected. That's just in the greater Puget Sound area alone. It then takes anywhere from one to three weeks to develop symptoms, and another one to two weeks (the mean is 9 days) for symptoms to worsen to where hospitalization is required. So figure one million infected, 10% need hospitalization, that's 100k and all by the end of May. I know this is hard to believe. But math is math. Not only is math math, but that is exactly what has already happened, first in China, now in Italy. No one has enough hospital beds. No one has enough MDs. The whole of Washington State doesn't have enough beds for just the people who will need them right now even if we somehow snap our fingers and stop any further infections. Which we sure are not gonna do by everyone running around breathing virus all over everyone and everything else. What we are gonna have is exactly what Italy has right now- people with stroke, people literally dying, and no bed or doctor or anything. Nobody even knows how high the death rate is. Can't keep up with the body count, let alone test for cause. This is what you all are joking about. Its no joke. Its real. Anthony Fauci is now head of Infectious Diseases and recently said, he doesn't care if your city has one case, or none. Its coming. I wish it weren't but it is." Get a mask. Wear it. Everywhere. All the time. If you can't get a mask pull a scarf or bandana up and cover your face. Wash hands frequently. Never touch face, eyes, mouth, nose without first washing hands. Do not go out unless you absolutely must. When you do maintain a distance even with people wearing a mask. When you return home remove clothing at the door, sanitize your hands, go straight to the bathroom and wash face hands and arms. This is what they are doing in Korea, Singapore, and Hong Kong, the only places that seem to have effectively slowed the virus. This is not just about your health. For the vast majority, 80% or more, this will be no worse than a bad case of the flu. The difference is so many more will be infected and die it will overwhelm our medical system. People will be forced to stay home whether they want to or not. The financial and economic collapse that is coming will be epic. This is no joke. So stop joking about it. Please. And oh, yeah, it turned out to be basal cell carcinoma. Waiting on the lab to cell type it. That is not my concern. I know the virus is the real danger. You should too. |
No its no joke. What is a joke is we have an administration that seems to only caresabout the economic impact not the toll on in human lives. A state of emergency should have already been declared. Test production should have been ramping up for months. We are way behind in testing and fall further behind every day. And government health agencies communication and decision making is classified. There is no transparency there is only confusion and it starts at the top. |
I mentioned this before about going back to the gym after my cataract surgery and after thinking it over, I think I'm going to postpone that. Just an hour ago I got a recorded message from Kaiser (my medical provider) listing all the precautions to take, frequent washing of hands, etc. and they also mentioned to just stay away from crowds to be sure. It's one thing to read about what precautions to take, another to hear from your medical provider. Looks like faster walks and time to start using that kettle bell, along with some basic stretching and just using my body weight for resistance. The one thing I've benefited from not going to the gym is that rather painful shoulder I've had for the last year is practically gone. Time to reassess. All the best, Nonoise |
"Well, this is no laughing matter....Someone's ready to pay the price.." The above was regarding 'recreational substance abuse', but it seems to apply to the situation we face. A clueless inept administration full of cronies, hamstringing those who Have a Clue. We, the People, can only call/write/email/demonstrate to get the political types to do the job we overpay them for. And now, since CoronaV is appearing in their midst....they're starting to pay attention.... We should follow the advice we're given if not already in practice. It's fairly simple....not a lot of 'to-do'....a little uncommon sense goes a long way, even in the 'educated society' (sic) we're part of. And it'll beat the alternative if the 'concern' turns 'ugly'..... Me? I'm a 68 yr. old heart patient. TAVR, a daily round of drugs, COPD, and already annoyed that none of them have any 'entertainment value' other than keeping my carcass Alive. On the plus side, I've little 'public contact' other than that I deem necessary. The market is the biggest, and the one we frequent seems to be the least busy in our area. No children, no grandchildren, 2 employees. One has diabetes, the other a 9 month old; they're paying attention.... Spouse has, in the recent past, threatened to kick my ass if I die on her. I've pointed out that is 'kicking the dead horse' in a major way. Now it starts sounding like gallows' humor....so I've stopped. One major drawback is that we live in a major tourist town, which drew 1.2 million last year. This year...we all hope it flops in a major way for at least the Spring.... I will, for the time being, consider my situation as better than most. A recent bi-annual visit to the GP with the blood and urine test, plus the annual visit with the MD from the insurance co. yields a 'good to go' for the next 12 months, X number of miles.... Physically, about as normal as I can hope for. Mental derangement isn't precisely their concern....;) ...another canary in the coal mine.... Good luck to us all. I hope we don't have to use it.... J |
mtrot ”In the US the numbers are 1537 cases and 40 deaths. That equates to a mortality rate of just over 2.5%." No, it doesn’t, at all. Those 1537 cases are the KNOWN cases. How many more people out there have it and are experiencing either none or mild symptoms and have not come to the attention of the medical community? It could be in the thousands. To get an accurate mortality rate, you would have to include ALL those cases in the denominator. I suspect that Dr. Fauci is correct that the mortality rate will be around that 1% level or less. Granted, that would be ~10 times that of the seasonal flu, but certainly not the 3-5% figure that the alarmists are throwing out there. >>>You don’t know what you don’t know. The data is based on confirmed cases. We’ve already been over that. If you feel better making up some numbers be my guest. As I’ve already pointed out the 1% rate, if that’s what Fauci said, which I doubt, is incorrect. The mortality rate in the US can be calculated every day since new data is available each day. It has remained relatively constant since the beginning. Today Friday the new numbers are 1762 and 41 for a new rate of 2.3%. As I reported recently the mortality rate in Italy is much higher than the US. |
Media and the left have made this much worse than what it is. Just like some of the people on this thread way over exaggerated what so called experts stated. This is what I mean that it sounds much worse than what it is here. I’m not saying that there is nothing wrong, but we don’t have to be so scared to make a move either |
I suspect it is human nature to be skeptical of what is reported... this article explains why the numbers are not ... locked in stone. https://time.com/5798168/coronavirus-mortality-rate/ I also suspect that self preservation sets in when you hear that the stores are possibly being emptied. I think it’s important to send Positive thoughts to Gene as he recovers from the virus.... and keep what is left if this thread... positive. |