Audiophiles on Audiogon.
During my time here, I have found some of you to be too opinionated - like your life depends upon what you think about audio gear. Holding on to one’s beliefs a bit too tightly is bad for the soul.
I was reading some content on the Ken Rockwell website, and then found an article entitled: "What is an audiophile?"
in the article, Ken says: Audiophiles are non-technical, non-musical kooks who imagine the darnedestly stupid things about audio equipment. Audiophiles are fun to watch; they’re just as confused at how audio equipment or music really works as primitive men like cargo cults are about airplanes.
Given my time on this forum and a few others, I have found his statements to be true. I mean, if you have an amplifier that costs say, $10,000, and you buy cables for $20,000, is that really going to improve the sound? (make the stereo image more accurate)
Or on the otherside, if you buy an amplifier for $1000 and then go buy the top of the line audioquest cables costing tens of thousands of dollars, then would the sound improve accordingly? After reading some of their literature, I cannot be sure they have an understanding of how electricrity works, much less the intricate details involving high-end audio systems.
And then we have power conditioning to consider. I have done extensive research online and it turns out that if your gear is really "high-end" it should already have a device inside that filters the incoming AC. Therefore, do you really need a power conditioner?
I learned about PS Audio products being spec-ed much higher than their measured performance. This is also true of the audio "power plants" that cost thousands of dollars. No really, tons of money to "regenerate" power with little to no sonic benefits.
Would love to hear what you guys think about these findings.
Oh, and high-end DACs?
This thing will outperform all your fancy gear.
How can you tell unless you listen to them? Forget what things cost, just plug them in and listen, it's not rocket surgery. If these items are out of your price range, why even bother? |
Ummm, maybe we just enjoy chatting about audio systems the way "car-guys" stand around at car club meetings staring at each other's engines every weekend. I may not enjoy that, but I wouldn't call them "kooks". They're enjoying themselves. However, if we are all "too-opinionated kooks" who discuss "the darnedest stupid things" in your opinion, then why are you here chatting with us? |
Audio science review is for the measurement crowd. I am in the camp of what I can hear. As far as tweaks, I will consider things with an open mind and if I hear a sonic change I like I might buy that gear. I would hazard a guess that plenty of hi-fi equipment purchasers use reviews not their ears to make their choice. I use reviews as a tool to find things that might interest me. I would never buy a piece of gear based solely on some audio reviews. I must hear that gear first. |
I cannot add anything to this good analysis... Dividing people with general non sensical claim associated to ALL of them is beyond stupid... But i think you are not stupid only ignorant enough to put all people under the same label and describe them this way :
You have yourself for sure peirced the veil.... 😁😊 |
He's a guy who reviews stuff like optics and audio, but draws the line at his own mind and how it (his mind) works. You know, opinionated but outside of reason, in some cases, like we all are. We all have limits, recognizing that can be key. Eg, we know the tik-tac videos are real but most here work hard at not recognizing what any of that means [la-la-la! I can't hear you!]. it means a lot. things of that nature [the tik-tac is the tiniest, most mundane piece of that world] are are mentally and world breaking, mind shattering for some. So we erase it from our minds continually. No choice unless we want to change, and suffer going though the involved changes. I've used the Rockwell website and found it to be useful, but only for the reviews of optics, as my interest in optics does not get 'personal'. |
@hilde45 I cannot add much to your post but maybe a guess why he wants to fight...but not really! You ask What kind of person does that? wasn't it Freud who implied poor potty training
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One of the main difference between audiophiles an hi fi guys is that audiophiles actually listen to the equipment and make a decision based on what they hear, whereas hi fi guys research it on line and subscribe to a theory that fits his preconceived notions. Seems like audiophiles have more fun. |
I really don't think you want our opinions and, frankly, I'm not much interested in yours. Most of us here are audiophiles and if you think we're kooks, it may be that you don't belong here. |
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The definition you cite claims that audiophiles (implying all, as this is a definition) are:
Then you say that "I have found his statements to be true." Then you post this on a forum thread. Is that really what you want to say to actual people -- you know, people with thoughts, feelings, etc.? What kind of person does that? Why don't you pick a fight with someone in person, so you have to face real consequences and can't hide behind a keyboard?
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