Another garbage thread.
Are You a Swifty?
I am. I think she's great.
And You?
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Can I laugh here. People are reacting like their parents did. I remember my parents saying, while in college, ’Why do you listen to that Junk? It will rot your brain’. The same with new music and how people are reacting negatively in this thread. It is funny people complaining about Taylor Swift, I am not a fan, but admire her musical and business acumen. |
@onhwy61, I suppose the the term sensitive is more fitting in this situation. I hate politics in today's scenario. One is reticent in the mundane act of placing a sign in your front yard or a bumper sticker on your vehicle. Having the fear of some radical defacing your private property. That's the difference of the 60's and today's radical opposites. It's truly sad and not what I feel the founding fathers desired. Differences of opinion is needed, but to the the point of bloodshed, we are all one. |
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That's hilarious. |
@botrytis Do you think 50 years from now people will regard Taylor Swift’s music the same way we regard Chuck Berry, Little Richard, James Brown, the Beatles and Bob Dylan today? Those two things are not alike. |
@tylermunns disingenuous question. I am sure she will After all, musical sensibilities have changed and Beyonce and Taylor are the best selling artists. Also have way more awards. I won't be alive so I care not one whit.
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@botrytis How is that a disingenuous question? |
@tylermunns a review of the new Swift album that echoes your observations about Antonoff. I agree with the review and so far as this new album is completely forgettable. |
@simao He got in on that one too, eh? |
Many of the negative comments remind me of the comments made about Joni, Dylan, and even Gershwin’s Rhapsody in Blue! Stop being old cranky MEN and open your mind…. Is she writing music like Mozart? No. Does she sing like Stills? No. But then neither does Dylan, Clapton, Blackmore nor Alicia Keys, to name just a few. |
That is not true. What is true is that Bob Dylan is not for everybody and many have found found him to be a taste that it took time to aquire; however, a large percentage of the people who make that statement about Bod Dylan's inability to sing have never gave him any serious listening time. |
Celine Dion has talent... But she was fabricated and designed by his late husband in his teen... i cannot really appreciate her because his prestation lack "soul" and self creativity... She had way more talent than Taylor Swift in my opinion ... But when someone lack genius or the inspiration of a free soul , this sound as manufactured "perfection" at best at worst it sound as failure ... Talent is not enough, it takes what Plato called a " daimon"... Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen had it and some others...To some extent ... it is called poetry... Beethoven and Schubert have it too ... Or Bill Evans... |
@deep_333 , did the critics always love all of the albums you put out? |
“Her latest album is a blatant rip off of Lana Del Rey’s sound and style. So much so that it’s downright pathetic.”
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Not really. I think I've only listened to a couple of her songs. One was a quite long one, a ballad of sorts that she performed on SNL, and the other one I remember hearing on a public radio station I used to listen to when I was driving, I kind of liked it, but all I remember of it was it was about a park in Jersey, or something like that? As I typed, that one is at least a few years old. All I was getting at is: is everyone (and there are a bunch) who is compared to someone else (such as Bob Dylan, as an an example) pathetic?
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Only to much well wrapped mass consumers musical product are uninteresting for me ... I will not use the word "pathetic" ... She is talented anyway ... But many popular singers male or female had a touch of genius. The list is too long to be written here... But many others at least half are mass products for consumption .. Do you remember the "twist" era ?
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@immatthewj I've been listening to Dylan for decades and decades and I've seen him in concert a few times and I still stand by the fact that he really does not know how to sing. However like all the people decrying Swift as being talentless, that's just my opinion and my opinion doesn't mean anything |
@simao Exactly. For many she speaks to them. To these old crusty ’audiophiles’ they don’t get it. They basically have turned in their parents (many of them are and grandparents). Evey generation does the same thing to the new music that comes out. Swift just doesn’t speak to me, but I can’t take anything away from her. If you saw her talk about how she got ready for her ERA tour, one could see her professionalism showing (I mean being a treadmill singing every song?). That is dedication and something I do respect. Taylor Swift is also a very good businessperson and music is also a business. |
@simao , then why have you been listening to him for that long? I ask that question without intending to be confrontational or sarcastic. |
Celine Dion had more voice talent than most all female singers but do not touch Edith Piaf or any great female singer because art ask for a soul or a daimon or poetry something which tylermunns call "art"... Dion was all his life under the spell of the man who designed and coached her from 13 years old to adulthood and he became his husband. He litterally created her persona . She was for sure talented more than most female singer it is evident . But it is not enough. Piaf sung in the street to eat . We hear his soul not his broken voice. Tylermunns is then right ... 😊
You can learn to sing better than most... But you cannot fake "art" or deliver "art" as a gained net profit after working hard... The great Marian Anderson the greatest singer i ever listened to with Maria Callas never studied really. She was black opera singer at a times where it was a bit hard to emerge. She could rival Billie Holiday any day. And sing Bach or Verdi and Schubert . You cannot learn to sing like her even with a perfect voice. Callas express so much emotions we do not even could say that she had talent or it is because she worked hard. The part that move us cannot be learned nor be fake... Soul is the part not learned. I am in love with Anderson or Callas being through the singing. It is more than music there . by the way Callas can even rival Anderson in the lied and in the blues and gospel and in the jazz, she rival Anderson only in opera. This is why Anderson beat any singer on earth. Whose female singer can rival at the same time Elisabeth Scwarzkopf and Billie Holiday in their own repertoire ? Give me a name ...😁 Good luck... By the way it is for me the most beautiful woman to ever live... 😊
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Staying with a nonsarcastic and nonconfrontational tone: does this put you in the camp of those that maintain that Bob Dylan could not/can not sing? And in the same tone: if someone cannot paint, can his or her paintings really be art? |
@roxy54 so true. Her voice, like Beth ortons, is powerful yet divisive.
@immatthewj I guess because his Melodies and his lyrics are so engaging. They're good enough I can Overlook his voice. @botrytis idk, there are plenty of artists in my Gen X generation who don't speak to me at all. I mean just about everyone I knew in college and an adulthood raved about Smashing Pumpkins and Violent Femmes and Dave Matthews and for me they are completely forgettable artists. Again, not taking away from their Artistry or influence but there's no connection at all. |
The main takeaway for me about Taylor Swift is that she learned a very hard lesson early on in the music biz about record deals. I believe it was FZ who called it the international hum job. She's really taken the lesson to heart, too. To the point that she's doing a Sinatra re-recording her own stuff to a label she controls. I think FS and FZ are very happy somewhere as they watch her laugh all the way to the bank. I am, too. Too many artists of all stripes get badly ripped off because they aren't contract lawyers. If even one little kid follows her example to avoid her teenage naiveté, that's a win for society at large and artists in particular. |
It seems very few here had any pride about the greatest singer of the century being Ameerican neither chinese nor Russian or German or Italian. ( This is Toscanini saying, not mine and he know a bit about singing and never make lying compliment . He terrorised the singers and the musicians anyway never satisfied ) . i am a bit provocative but ... 😊
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@mahgister was asking who might be an equal to the two singers he mentioned for emotional power in their singing, and I nominated her. |
@simao , okay. As an aside, and not that it relates or applies to Taylor Swift, but I remember (it must have been around the end of ’86) I read No Direction Home, and I believe it was there that I read that Bob Dylan (and perhaps this was before he started calling himself Bob Dylan) was trying to imitate Woody Guthrie and that was when his style of singing developed and how (I guess one might say) the sound of his voice developed. (I am not going to search through the book right now to try to confirm that, but maybe I will later.) However, as far as Bob Dylan’s vocals, I love them. I kind of lost touch with what he did after Street Legal (I have listened to a lot of his stuff post-Street Legal, but none of it was really grabbing me anymore), but I think the entire Blood On The Tracks is actually a testimony to how well he can sing. I love his voice on Desolation Row. His voice seems perfect (to me) for Visions Of Johanna. The same for Dignity. As I typed previously, Bob Dylan’s voice is not for everyone and it may be an acquired taste that some never acquire, but I am one of the ones who does enjoy the sound of his voice and usually prefers the sound of him singing his stuff to that of the countless who cover him. With all that typed, I also enjoy the vocals of (to name just a few) Bruce Springsteen, Van Morrison, Boz Skaggs, Mark Knoffler, Jim Croce, Townes Van Zandt, Steve Earle and Leonard Cohen; I suspect that not everybody thinks that those guys are, or were, great singers either. I really like the sound of Lucinda Williams voice and I used to get a lot of pushback about that also.
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@roxy54 , what CD would you recommend for someone to start out with her? |