Any Love For Bryston Here?

Ordered a Bryston 3B Cubed July 10. Still waiting. Anyone else having a long wait for their Bryston to come in??

A little update. I have sold my Bryston BDA-3 DAC and have my BP-17 cubed preamp for sale. I am doing this to just make a change and fund some new gear. Plus I already have a bunch of gear. I guess this is what a lot of us do. But what won’t be going anytime soon, especially if I still have my Magnepan 1.7i panels are my Bryston 28B cube monoblocks. Those beasts are staying!

Bryston equipment is top notch, I haven't heard a bad sounding amp from them. Their amps have some of the highest slew rates I've seen, 60 V/µs, which translates into high power at high frequencies. Just what one desires for realistic instrument attack response. The only higher slew rates I've seen are in darTZeel and modified V-fet amps from Sony and Yamaha.

After hoping to get a hold of a Holo R2R DAC and their soon-to-be released headphone amp, I decided to follow a dealer recommendation and try the Bryston BDA 3.14 and BHA-1 to go with my Grado GS3000e and Meze Empyrean (now Elite). I had the rare chance to indulge in good headphone gear; I have a Woo WA5-LE SET headphone amp, and I still use a SChiit Gungnir MB DAC and Mjolnir2 amp. 

Well, after years of hearing that Bryston was "sterile", "clinical", "boring"....and knowing, from recording studio work, that Bryston is well-respected pro gear....I now have even less tolerance for the judgments of esoteric niche audio (which I've been plenty guilty of over the years). 

The Bryston DAC is leagues beyond the Schiit Gungnir - not surprising, given that it costs nearly 4x as much. But I've cycled many DACs through this system, including Chord and Mytek. The Bryston DAC was so much better defined, luminous, fast, and groovy, than the Schiit Gungnir-  which many devotees prefer to the Yggy, or find to offer 90% of what their flagship DAC can do - that its a little hard to go back to the Gumby without reminding myself to just listen to the music and stop worrying about sonics. Powerwash the windows better.

The Bryston combo was, and is, utterly transparent, eerily revealing, and timbrally true. Moreover, if this is "sterile", then gimme more sterility. The MUSIC has the soul, and the music is what it delivers. The textures from the BHA-1 amp are silken - which is not to say, smoothed over, lacking definition. There is simply no electronic harshness whatsoever; nothing one would associate in a negative sense, with traditional solid state. You get slam, speed, richness and bloom where they are in the music, ACCURATELY reproduced engineering flaws too....but at no point is any harshness or glare emphasized. You could even say the Bryston gear, in this context, is forgiving, to the extent that it does not editorialize or accentuate anything. Its just friggin' accurate, to a degree you'd have to spend a lot more money to improve significantly upon. 

I'm a fan of Bryston now - I don't care of theyre cool. I. might still grab a Holo May KTE if I can ever afford one again. But I wouldn't miss a thing if I lived with this Bryston gear for a lot longer.

I owned a 3B for 39 years when a channel died and I sold it.  I replaced it with a PS Audio S300, which did an excellent job.

Last week, I bought a pre-owned 4B SST2.  Still nothing bad to say about the S300, but the Bryston is simply better and is an outstanding amp in every way.

Great Warranty
Great Customer Service
Sound Good 
Terrible Aesthetics  

I have a Bryston B60R integrated that I've enjoyed for 21 years. It did require servicing at 19 years, but my only expense was the shipping cost to the Bryston repair facility. The process was easy and painless. The build quality continues to impress me to this day.

Ordered a 3B3 Cube on Saturday. My second Bryston I also own a 2.5 SST2.

Last month got a factory reconditioned 4BSST for my subs. Talk about cost-effective!!

@nekoaudio 


   Thank you.
only thing I wanna do is compare to the aging McCormack UDP-1
which has been my go to for a couple years now………

@arcticdeth the Bryston BCD-3 CD player has a 3 year warranty from date of manufacture. It's three years because it has a motorized moving part (the optical drive). As far as I know the BCD-3 is built in Canada at Bryston's f

Wow, a non believer!

 Bryston gear is amazing, their customer service has always been great!

  Powerful amps, clean straight wire style preamps.


 If I ever get 4K to blow, I’ll get their CD player.

anyone know who builds Brustons CD players, etc.
the warranty is above average on their electronics, but when the CD player goes down, will they say “pound sand”
or try to help out of warranty?

Been listening to Bryston for over 35 years, have had the original 3B, 3BST, 4B, 4BST, 4BSST and now the 3B cubed.
To my ears, the cubed series of power amps are the best sounding solid state amps that Bryston has ever made!
They aren’t cheap but outperform any other power amps at the price point!

I am driving B&W 802 III and Theil CS1.6 speakers!

Brystons are super reliable and built like tanks. Plus they perform very well. I have used to have two 4B3s running in bridge mode in my system. I agree with positive comments about the 4B3s. I would still have them if I hadn’t received a great opportunity to get a pair of 28B3 monoblocks. My Magnepans have all the power, dynamic reserve, and headroom they need. The 17B3 is a great preamp. But I have one complaint about it. Certain phono preamps with minimum MM gain in the 50dB range overdrives it. You need a phono preamp with MM gain in the 40-50dB range. So Pass Labs phono stages except for the Aleph Ono are out. The Bryston DAC is also great. Overall, Bryston has been good for me. 

By far the best high end audio value for the money.  I have over 35 pieces of equipment.   You can't beat the build quality! (MIL SPEC), bulletproof.  The sound is precise, uncolored with extraordinary sound stage and presence.  Most of my electronics are 15 years plus, with no issues.  The speakers are glorious and built to last.

I own a 4B-ST & 4B-SST2.... they sound different!  The ST is a bit more lively and dynamic, and the SST2 more refined & controlled.  The ST is the ideal amp for my old B&W 801series2's, whereas the SST is better on speakers that are a bit brighter.  I like them both for system matching.   On some speakers, I can see the argument that they might be too bright.  But the bottom octaves just go down forever!  Bass control and slam is the best.  I had my 22yr old ST reconditioned by Bryston a few years ago... One channel was having DC offset issues..... Best $600 I ever spent.  It's better than new now with modern capacitors!  

@bjg I have a Piaget Dancer (about $15k) beautiful watch, and a Movado SE (about $1k) very nice also, both quartz movement. Doesn’t matter which one I wear, I’m always 5 minutes late for work. I thought the Piaget would get me there sooner..... 
I set them next to each other and watched them for hours, A/B comparison, nothing. I love Bryston and could sometimes tell the difference between it and a couple other amps I had. Where I could tell a big difference was listening to live and/or acoustic music, especially when listening to loud music with very quiet passages like Counting Crows’ “Round Here” or “Anna Begins” or electronic music like Dido or Sarah Fimm. 

I recently bought a pair of Bryston 28B3 cubed mono blocks under the assumption ( or hope) that they would be a better match for some new PMC MB2SE speakers --- as Bryston and PMC had a long partnership & I believe many of their speakers were voiced with these amps in mind - in any case -- they are supposed to be a great match from all the reading I've done. 

I previously had a pair of ML CLX -- with 2 Decent I subs --- and again matched the speakers with what research I could find for a good match -- Spectron Musician III Mk 2 -- class D amps -- bridged as mono blocks - endless power / high amperage delivery for the demanding low impedance on the ESL's and fantastic sounding with the CLX - enjoyed tremendously for about 6 years 

I was very happy with the Spectrons -- but you don't know what you don't know - so I wanted to compare Spectron class D (which often gets a bad rap) to a A/B amp with the PMC speakers -- and was convinced that I would keep whichever one I liked best. 

After almost a month of back and forth switching between amps -- (still at it) keeping all the cables and sources identical when switching back and fourth -- playing the same tunes over and over ---- I really don't know why I can't tell the difference -- let alone find a preference - they both have 26db gain -- so the volume between the two amps was as closely matched as I could discern ------ but I'm frustrated that I can't really pick a preference - and by the time I switch the inputs and speaker cables between the two amps -- I've lost some auditory memory -- making it real hard to find a preference (wish I could just A/B with the same song back and fourth - but difficult to do without introducing other variable like cables etc. ) -- they both sound great -- similar tone & I would be happy with either one -

I'm just confused because I've read so many amp comparisons where users state "night & day difference" --- That has not been my experience ------- they are both great amps --- but now I know that there is absolutely no audible difference between this Class D amp ( 6 years old ) and a Bryston 28B3 (brand new) -- to my ears ( YMMV ). ------- Although if anyone can suggest a tune or two that might better reveal an audible difference -- I'd love to check it out -- but I think I'll be fine parting with the Bryston amps -- after realizing that if I can't tell the difference -- then there's no sense throwing money at it in order to feel comfortable having a new piece of gear with a 20 year warranty (knowing that my Spectrons will likely need work in the next 20 years)   

Bart 

I am just itching to hear the model T with the outboard active crossovers.
only saw one pair come up for sale used about a year ago.  Hoping someone will include them in a setup at upcoming NY Audio show.
personally, got a pair of 7b monoblocks and 20bp preamp.

I had a Bryston BP20 and traded up to a BP26 Love it!!! I have a pair of 4BST amps (each on individual 15 amp lines), driving two pair of Maagie 1.7s.  Love these amps.  I produce all the warmth I need by using tube buffers in my system.  For just the smallest amount of lost detail, my tube sound is warm and inviting - like sitting near a good fire.
I would love to move up to a pair of 4BSST2 amps. Do any of you with 4BSST or 4BSST2 models have them hooked up to a 15 amp service? (I am not able to change my services to 20 amp).
Sorry ’bout the slight derail.

Tim

I am curious as to anyone's thoughts on their speakers like the Mini T in particular. I have read only a couple reviews out there.  They are pricey new but used seem like a very good value.  I am looking for a 3 way bookshelf that fits the user $1500 budget and everyone here raves on their electronics, what about their speaker line?

I don’t know about their more recent pieces, but I always thought their preamps were not great but their amps and digital gear were quite good.

Have a 4B ST singing in my listening room now. It's maybe 10/15 years old? Bought it used and one of it's lights was didn't match the other. Bryston fixed it under warranty, no problem.

Had a 3B-ST before that. Lightning strike took it out.  Bryston fixed it under warranty.  Said "We don't usually cover lightning strikes." But they did this time, no problem.

Lots of components come and go but there will always be a silver Canuck warming my room. No problem.

Discovered Bryston gear 19 years ago and my never-ending search was over.

I love Bryston's power amps. I’ve not heard anything in the same price range that works as well in SQ. Eager, but not edgy, quiet, open. Seem to last forever and I’ve read that customer service is as good as it gets. Haven’t heard any of their other products due to a lack of dealers in the area. If you have a Bryston amp, wire it to a dedicated circuit; made a jaw-dropping improvement for me.

They are excellent amps. I have had two Bryston 4B amps for years performing biamp duties for my Magnepans. I also use a Bryston 10B crossover.

I had a Bryston preamp and amp years ago. I believe that the preamp was the BP25 with a MM phono board. I also had the 3BST amp. I ended up swapping the preamp for a used McIntosh home theatre preamp, which was a huge improvement over the BP25 in terms of sound quality and functionality.  However, the Mac amplifier that I later paired it with did not really improve on the 3BST. So what I am saying is that I felt that the Bryston amplifier was a much better performer than the Bryston preamp that I had it paired with. 

I think the 4B Cubed is a hell of an amp, and a sleeper in the high-end. It won't give you all the tactility and liquidity of the best Class A/tube stuff, but it gets you 90% of the way there with indestructible build quality few in the high-end can touch, and of course that incredible warranty and support. It's not cheap, but one of the best values on the market in the grand scheme of things. I returned the review unit and often regret not having kept it. It would be at the top of my list for a hybrid music/theater system in particular, where you need something powerful and bulletproof but still true to the source with music. (The review is super overdue but I will hopefully get it out in the next couple weeks.)

The 17B3 preamp is quite transparent - not as compelling musically as the amp, but accurate and dynamic.

Cheers,
TAWW

I really like my BDP-2

ozzy

Eric, I am not only speaking of the storage cap failures, although, there were a number of poor quality caps that I have seen, as well as excellent caps. Many older pieces of gear, with newer components, re soldering of circuit traces, etc. ( complete rebuilds ) would surprise you, as amp design, for what it is today, is not significantly superior today, as opposed to yesterday. Good technicians today ( some I know ) are extremely busy, as re builds are an excellent alternative of  many, as opposed to purchasing a newer product. I hope I answered your inquiry. Best, MrD.

mrdecibel : I should have asked this as a question. :)

Do you not find that modern amps have less cap failures than they used to, and are you comparing equally aged pieces of gear?


Erik

Eric, my statement was based on my experience with many " class A ss amps I owned, or installed for clients. Also, ime, many tube products, both amp and preamp categories. Not all class A, btw. Not to mention, the products of many companies, that are no longer in business. Again, this is based on " my " experience. I am not sure how many different pieces of equipment you have had through your doors, or how many hours, weeks or months, you have had to spend with products, to actually know what I am saying. Speakers as well. Is my statement fair ? I know others that have experienced the same, as I. Have a good day, my friend. Enjoy ! MrD.

Maybe it has to do with Bryston being on the Lower-End price-wise of the Upper echelon of Solid-State performance.

If I came into a large sum of money - I would probably purchase a full set of Bryston Components TOMORROW. I have heard, seen, and touched their stuff and it is something that a guy like me can lust-after and maybe actually afford someday. And once I got my Bryston set, it would likely be my LAST set. (IMO - It is expensive, but not beyond-reach, and REALLY friggin’ GOOD stuff!) [I also like PASS Labs and ML, but they have no dealer in our area.]

For those who are not enamored with Tube-Based Systems or those who cannot afford the Ulta-Pricey Ultra High-End products - they are probably one of those manufacturers where people tend to Hang-On to their Bryston gear once they acquire it. (I have been watching, and Bryston gear that is not "ancient" does not seem to come-up for sale HERE very frequently.)

So many companies gear require overhauls after 20 years of us

I really don’t think this is fair. Electrolytic caps age. Caps made in the 1980’s were not nearly as good as they are now. Higher temp caps are cheaper and better, with lower inductance.

So please be sure you are comparing accordingly.

Not saying Bryston is not a quality product.

Also, if you replace them with modern caps, I think you will find they will last a lot longer than the originals.

I have a 15 year old 4BSST, never missed a beat, BP-20 with 18 years age and 18 months remaining warranty.  How many manufacturers do a 20 year transferable warranty?  Got used 7BSST2 with BP26 MPS2 and BR2 for a smoking price on here.  10 years warranty remaining. 

I do notice for whatever reason the 3 series seems to be selling used at quite a bit lower price than retail, for basically new 7B3 for example.  Personally my perception is that anyone seeking "warmth" sit closer to their heat source instead of spending big $$ trying to get warm from Bryston.  Or, sit closer to your Bryston amps.  That will warm you up.

So many companies gear require overhauls after 20 years of us ( I do not want to name names, as this can easily be researched ). Bryston, is one of those companies, who’s equipment can still meet factory spec, and could sound the same, as the day it left the factory. This has been my experience with Bryston gear, and this says a lot. The 20 year, transferable warranty backs this up. Back in the day, I owned a 4B, with the Bryston electronic crossover, to run a pair of Janis sub bass systems ( John, of Janis, did not use the term subwoofer ), with exemplary sq. Only the pair of Janis was run with the amp / crossover, as I felt a bit of hardness and dryness above the crossover point, to the speakers. I suppose I could live with Bryston, but with amplifiers such as Pass, and Modwright ( as a few examples ), which " I " prefer on an sq basis, I still feel the Bryston equipment is fantastic, and would outlive, those other brands I mentioned ( simply an opinion, not factual ), and many more. Nothing wrong with over ten year old Bryston pieces, as they are more affordable than the new stuff, and, for the reasons I mentioned above.

On my main, mainly but not completely, analog system, I have a Bryston 17B3 Preamp, a Bryston BDA-3 DAC, and a pair of Bryston 28B3 monoblock amps driving my modified Magnepan 1.7 magenplanar speakers with Myestands and the Powell Magnepan jumper and “fuse” upgrades. I love this system. No coloration that I can discern and has plenty of power which the Maggies need. Everything is built like a tank. Bryston’s Customer support is responsive and detailed, and their warranty is the best.

They're more pricey than they used to be, but then the cosmetics are more luxurious than they were years ago. I think that the sound is very good when I have heard them, (never owned one). Certainly on the solid state side of things but clean and powerful. Less rich sounding than good tube gear but I think if I owned it I would acclimate to that and appreciate it for its good points. 

Just acquired a pair of 28sst2's for my JBL 4350A's and 4350B's. A little overkill but what the heck. Used  on the bottom end for the 4 2231a woofers. WOW.  Done for a long time looking for amplifiers.      

Back in the 1970's they were considered pretty good amps.  I have no idea if that has continued, but would not be surprised.  Some companies maintain their quality and customer focus; some do not.

Obviously not considered the "best of the best" out there, but it was stable, added little to the "sound" of the system, and seemed to be well designed and built.  More than you can say for some stuff, right?

Cheers!

Called the Bryston factory to ask a technical question. They put me through to the president, who gave me nearly an hour.

I bought two amps. Both were very good - musical, without an edge. And indestructible. Not the last word in technology, maybe, but definitely the last word in reliability.

I have heard many Bryston amps over the years.

Too cold and boring sounding for my tastes.

I have not heard any in the last 10 years although.

I’m using 3 Bryston 7B ST’s for the front speakers in my AV system. They are more than 20 years old, and I have never had any problem with them.

I like their power reserves; they handle difficult loads well, especially in the high current mode setting. To me, the sound is flat and neutral, if slightly lacking in ultimate detail.

For their power rating, they are quite portable. I have taken the stereo pair to friends’ parties, and their rugged casing and rack handles were real blessings. Very reliable.

Bryston sucks. I suggest anyone who owns it immediately remove it from their system and mail it to me so I can dispose of it properly.  This goes double if you have a 7B, 14B, or active crossover.  

@cheeg Don’t sell yourself short with the McC’s. I own and have owned many of each back then and now and in a blind taste test between comparable power units, it’s very hard to choose. Steve McC still does repairs, mods and upgrades too. I’ve been a Bryston, Classe and Magnum D fan for years but I guess McCormack and Bryston are always my “reference” units. 

I don't own any Bryston gear (yet), but was recently at T.H.E. Show in Long Beach, and my favorite room in the "moderately affordable" sector showcased a pair of Eggleston Emma's ($5500) with all Bryston electronics.  It sounded so good, I'm now wondering if I should upgrade my McCormack amp or do something more drastic.  Not to mention, as other replies here have emphasized, Bryston's reputation for customer service is unsurpassed.

A few years ago I did a system overhaul. Looking for an amp and preamp I reviewed several Brands. Bryston was just bringing the Cubed versions to market. I was able to secure a "demo" 4BSST squared. It had pro handles and I asked it changed to flat face. This was done and the handles included in the box. There was a modest fee. The amp was tested and a performance sheet supplied. I talked to Bryston service and was assured a full warranty applied. My search for a preamp took me to a one owner used BP25P. Another call to Bryston to check production dates and any repairs. I bought the preamp. I keep my gear long term. Bryston is for me one of the top choices that was available to me. I am 100% satisfied with both pieces. In or out of warranty all their models can be upgraded with any improvements available. It costs, this is not a bargain brand. In my mind worth every dollar spent.