What I did. One leg has 3 duplex outlets, one has 2 duplex outlets and a 240V outlet.
Jerry
Wiring 2 outlets to 2 dedicated 20 amp circuits with a single 10/3 electrical wire.
Here's an idea (and it is code compliant), using one 10/3 romex electrical wire (three insulated conductors, and a bare ground wire - 10 gauge), you can wire two outlets to a double pole breaker (and yes the legs would not be the same, which on a quiet electrical system is not a big deal).
In this situation, 2 hot wires from the outlets would be wired directly to each of the circuit breakers, the neutral would be bridged between the two outlets and then connected to the appropriate spot on the panel, and the grounds for each outlet would be attached to the single ground wire that goes back to the panel. This would all appear within a quad outlet wall panel (ie. Two 20 amp outlets side-by-side)
For a long 70 foot run this seems prudent thing to do, less costly and kosher.
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Why do you need all these outlets when you have a massive power plant? Or maybe these are related to other areas. Personally I don't like duplex outlets for stuff you don't really need them for, but maybe this is to reduce the size of the electrical wire jungle. Also saw on your system that you are using both an M scaler and a chord dave? Didn't know this was a good pairing.
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@emergingsoul @carlsbad this is what my electrician did as well. Works great for me. One circuit for the digital front end, the other circuit for the preamp and monoblocs. About 55' - 60' from the circuit panel to my audio outlet. |
I have both a AV system and a 2 channel system. I have lots of external linear power supplies. The stack of three on the left is now 4. Plus one red one under the right side. I have every port in my PP connected to a 2 channel sound component. I have the AV system plugged into the wall. It is always nice to have the wall outlets handy to plug in temporary things. It just made sense to me to put in the large number of outlets. I would feel silly putting in a dedicated outlet and then plugging a best buy power strip into it to power wall warts.
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Don’t do it! Are you trying to save money on the wiring and installation? Not a good place to cut costs.
I can’t believe the number of posts I have read lately where audiophiles have used, or are considering using, this type of wiring method to feed their audio equipment. The reason for a multiwire branch circuit is save money. Period! There may be 10s of thousands of dollars in audio equipment involved and the user chooses to save a few bucks by using this type of branch circuit wiring. Sorry, I just don’t get it... Each Hot, (Ungrounded Conductor), must be connected to breakers fed from both Lines, legs, in the same electrical panel. Therein 240V between Lines, legs. (The 2 Hot conductors cannot be connected to breakers on the same Line, leg.) Both breakers must be tied together with an Approved Listed tie to simultaneously open both breaker with one handle action. (A 2 pole breaker meets this NEC requirement. (New NEC 2008 requirement) . Here is a YouTube video on multiwire branch circuits. LOL, sometime Mike Holt comes off a little like an air head but he is far from that. Holt is one of the members of NEC Code Making Panel. He’s one of many people that helps write the NEC... |
I recently had three dedicated 20amp runs installed at the same time I had an updated 200amp breaker panel and ground installed. I used 12/2 Romex (for ease of running) with independent copper grounds, and had each run cut equal length. Siemens 20amp breakers were used with silver contacts, and one outlet (for the amp) is an AudioQuest NRG Edison and the other two are Hubbell 20amp medical grade.
Made a substantial difference, most notably noise floor and dynamics. Noise was decent before but now is so quiet. The whole system overall feels more free and effortless. It made a bigger difference than some major components in my experience. And keep it simple. Highly recommend having an electrician do it, preferably someone who has done audio/visual in the past as they'll know exactly what you're trying to accomplish. |
@tump350 Said:
Would you believe all the digital hash going back out on the power AC Lines from the digital equipment is dumped onto the power transformers primary windings of the preamp and monoblocks? Only the unbalanced load(s) current of Line 1, (L1), to shared neutral, and Line 2, (L2), to shared neutral load(s) current return on the 3 wire multiwire branch circuit neutral conductor to the neutral bar in the electrical panel. All of the digital 120V Line to neutral loads (jointed connection in the outlet box) is in series with the Analog 120V Line to neutral loads. The balanced loads are in series with one another and fed by 240V...
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Probably the biggest reason for installing more than one Dedicated Branch Circuit is to decouple the power supplies of audio equipment from one another. Example digital source(s) equipment from analog equipment. A true dedicated branch circuit has a dedicated Hot conductor, neutral conductor, and equipment grounding conductor. A true dedicated branch circuit does not share a raceway, (conduit), or cable with other branch circuits. Your thread title:
What you are suggesting using is called a multiwire branch circuit. It has two 120V separate circuits, (Not Two Dedicated Circuits), that share a common neutral conductor. Bad for audio equipment, imo... It’s actually worse than installing two 120V dedicated circuits and terminating on breakers from Both Line 1, leg, and Line 2, leg instead of installing both on the same Line, leg. A multiwire branch circuit actually couples the power supply’s of audio equipment of one circuit to equipment on the other circuit. Here is another video for you to watch. Imagine the output of the split phase transformer being an electrical panel. Imagine the voltage is 120/240V. (Two Hot conductors and one shared neutral conductor). The wires leaving the transformer secondary is a multiwire branch circuit. The single light bulb load represents digital source loads. The other bulb with the parallel resistor load represents a preamp and power amp.
Only the unbalanced load current of the two hot conductors return on the shared neutral conductor to the source. The balanced load is in series with one another and is fed by 240V. FWIW, multiwire branch circuits are commonly used in commercial and industrial facilities. Why? It saves material and labor costs. It’s even used, somewhat, in residential dwellings. It has its place of use. I personally would not use a multiwire branch circuit to feed my audio equipment though. YMMV.
Here is another video I found doing a quick Goggle search. The guy does a good job of explaining how a multiwire branch circuit works. He does have a few problems in his explanations and terminology used at times though. Like his use of saying 220V at times instead of 240V. Overall though he gets his message across.
Note..., only the unbalanced load current returns on the common neutral conductor to the source. The balanced load current is in series and is fed by 240V. Voltage drop across each load will still measure 120V nominal. (As long as the common neutral conductor is not broken)...
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Yes I know both new circuits or an alternating legs, and that could be a real weakness. But if all the legs where I live are generally quiet then I don’t see the problem on this point. The other issue, there is a common neutral wire representing a return connection to the panel, but it’s not the incoming voltage wire. Are you saying noise could bleed back to the audio equipment from the neutral? I’m not sure this is really that meaningful - is it? And is this the overall point? Keep in mind this is a 70 foot run for a romex wire. I’m trying to keep this conversation understandable because I think people get lost when it’s not dumbed down for non-engineering finance side people |
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There is a shared neutral and I’m still unclear why this would be such a bad idea. Many people putting in dedicated circuits, like me, don’t know all the variety of ways to get 2 20 amp circuits to feed your system. Mostly, it’s being done to feed amplifiers using 10 guage wire to ensure Power demands are met. And separate circuits for rest of the gear makes sense to reduce noise, and enhance supply of course. While it may not be 2 dedicated and completely isolated circuits, it accomplishes the same thing. If you’re a purist, you have cause to be concerned. As a realist, it would appear perfectly kosher.
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@emergingsoul said:
Got Digital Front End Equipment? The hash it puts back out on the mains ain’t quiet. Got any SMPS (Switched Mode Power Supply)s? The harmonics they put back out on the mains ain’t quiet. Using a multiwire branch circuit will dump that crap on the doorstep of the power transformer’s primary winding of the analog equipment. You want noise, that’s a good way to introduce it into your analog equipment.
It takes two to tangle. It takes both lines to feed a 120V potential to a load for current to travel in the circuit. Current travels from the source through the load and returns to the source. The neutral conductor is a current carrying conductor. The same as a hot Line conductor is a current carrying conductor.
NO, I am not. Here is the circuit using a multiwire branch circuit... I hope you can follow it. Draw a one line diagram on a piece piece of paper showing flow of the current through the series circuit. At the panel you have a Hot L1 bus and a Hot L2 bus. L1 breaker hot conductor to >>> digital equipment power transformer primary winding, (OR, SMPS), out to >>> neutral conductor to junction with shared branch circuit neutral conductor. Neutral conductor from shared neutral junction to >>> amp primary winding through winding out to >>> Hot L2 conductor back to the electrical panel breaker on L2. See it ain’t neutral current carrying the "Noise" created by the digital equipment. It’s the L1 & L2 balanced load current that travels through the AC line side power supply of the digital equipment >>> through the line side power supply of the analog equipment out >>> on L2 back >>> to the electrical panel. By design the multiwire branch circuit feeds the balanced load current that is fed from Hot L1 conductor >>> (digital equip) >>> in series with >>> (analog equip) >>> Hot L2 back to the electrical panel .
Yeah, I got two 10/2 with grd Romex runs 70ft each. Installed them using best practices methods. One dedicated circuit is for digital equipment, the other for analog equipment. No ground loop hum. No noise. System is dead quiet with ear against speaker grill. Preamp and power amp are tubes. Dead quiet...
Trust me I’ve tried my best to explain how a multiwire branch circuit works in layman terms. Did you watch the videos I supplied. Did you understand them? . |
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I agree! That was one of the reasons I ran four 60’ runs of galvanized steel armored MC cable 10AWG. That’s four true dedicated branch circuits, one for each mono block amp, one for analog and one for digital. It helps to reduce noise on the AC lines, by reducing the amount of transformers and power supplies on each circuit. Also, the MC helps to reduce hashing noise EMI, and electric fields, on the dedicated branch circuits feeding your audio equipment. You don’t realize how much hashing noise is on the AC lines, until it’s gone. No ground loop hum. No noise. System is dead quiet with ear against speaker horn, I have tube and SS amps. (speaker efficiency is 2.7%). 😎 @emergingsoul Wrote:
Will two 70’ runs of 10AWG NM cable aka Romex break the bank? See below: Mike
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Jea48 The comments you make are probably clear to some but not me. Are you saying that the neutral sharing back to the panel is a problem? And if so maybe it's unclear to me why this is. Not sure I follow the rationale about Power supplies of components sharing in this situation. Where is the Sharing coming from? Truth be known, I specifically directed the electrician to create two dedicated lines on the same leg, and then he pulled this crap and I had to live with it. And having considered what he did, I'm trying to understand whether I should rip it all out and have it redone by someone else. His proposal was unclear but we discussed it and then he comes and starts doing the work and I see one wire coming out of the wall and I ask what the heck is going on. The project didn't go very well. They did manage to install one dedicated circuit elsewhere. I couldn't get a second dedicated in the elsewhere room because I ran out of room on the panel. |
@emergingsoul said:
It’s more than that. It’s the way a multiwire branch circuit works. I have been trying to find this Web Link for the last couple of days. It was in my Bookmarks but I must of accidentally deleted over the years. Anyway try to follow what is said. Stop when you reach "Three Phase Power Systems" ... A multiwire branch circuit is merely an extension of the split phase winding of the utility power transformer. https://www.ibiblio.org/kuphaldt/electricCircuits/AC/AC_10.html
I believe it... Some electricians just don’t listen.
You could install a Tandem breaker. Tandem Breakers - Circuit Breakers - The Home Depot.
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Bad Idea...
A true dedicated branch circuit has a dedicated, Hot conductor, neutral conductor, and equipment grounding conductor. A true dedicated branch circuit does not share a raceway, (conduit), or cable with other branch circuits. An Overview of Audio System Grounding and InterfacingSe page 16. Read pages 31 thru 37.
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A true dedicated branch circuit does not share a raceway, (conduit), or cable with other branch circuits. Current carrying conductors from one branch circuit can induce a voltage on the conductors of the other circuit. Therein if there is noise on one circuit it could be induced onto the other circuit. . |
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Replace the word merely with the word basically. A multiwire branch circuit is basically an extension of the split phase winding of the utility power transformer. . |
In this case each circuit does have a separate breaker. The voltage is being sent to the outlet from separate starting points on the panel. The issue i see is the neutral going back to the panel. And here the neutral wires are joined between the outlets and then directly wired back to the appropriate spot on the panel. Further, the ground similarly is being handled the same way and routed back to the panel. The two hot conductors are separate, from their own breaker, in support of the outlets. It's crystal clear this is not a true dedicated circuit. But that's not the issue. The issue is trying to clarify why noise somehow is affecting the outlet in a manner that impacts performance of a system. |
@emergingsoul said:
Maybe why noise from one circuit is affecting audio equipment connected to the other circuit of the multiwire branch circuit. Lets try this again. Just for an example. Say on circuit Hot L1 conductor (coming from the electrical panel) you have a total connected 120V load of digital equipment of 2 amps. Say on Hot L2 conductor (coming from the electrical panel) you have a 120V analog integrated amplifier load of 2 amps. L1 = 2 amps. L2 = 2 amps. Load is Balanced on both L1 and L2. Because of the way a multiwire branch circuit works Zero amps will return on the shared neutral conductor to the source). So where is the circuit for the current (amps) to flow back to the panel, (source)? The two connected loads are in series with one another. The shared neutral conductor from the panel is not involved. One line diagram. L1 conductor from panel >>> digital load >>> in series with >>> integrated amp >>> L2 conductor from panel. The two series loads are being fed by 240V. (There is still a voltage drop across each load of 120V... 120V + 120V = 240V.) So hopefully you can see the noise from the digital equipment, (if present), will be transferred to the primary winding of the power transformer in the integrated amp in the current as it passes through the primary winding back to the source on L2 conductor.
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Note: The source is actually the 120/240V split phase secondary winding of the Utility Power Company’s step down transformer. . |
jea48, You say that, Zero amps will return on the shared neutral conductor to the source). Not sure why this would be happening. And then from this point on in your response above I sort of lose an understanding of what you're saying. But I'm really trying to follow. And I think for many it would be nice to know the rationale here as well, as this is a very profound issue. |
@emergingsoul said:
Well it’s a fact... That is how a center tapped single phase 120/240 secondary winding of a step down transformer works. Watch this video again. Make note the guy has the switch opened on the shared neutral conductor and the two light bulbs stay lit. The two light bulbs are in series with one another. At one point in the video he removes one of the bulbs, (breaks the series circuit), the other light bulb goes out. He reinstalls, (completes the circuit), and both bulbs are lit again.
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Look at the first schematic diagram below. Note: Load 1 and load 2 are identical. The loads are Balanced. Note: The shared "neutral". 0 A (The shared neutral is not involved). Load 1 and load 2 are in series with one another and are fed by 240V
Addition of neutral conductor allows loads to be individually driven.
Instead of a single 240 volt power supply, we use two 120 volt supplies (in phase with each other!) in series to produce 240 volts, then run a third wire to the connection point between the loads to handle the eventuality of one load opening. This is called a split-phase power system. Three smaller wires are still cheaper than the two wires needed with the simple parallel design, so we’re still ahead on efficiency. The astute observer will note that the neutral wire only has to carry the difference of current between the two loads back to the source. In the above case, with perfectly “balanced” loads consuming equal amounts of power, the neutral wire carries zero current. Notice how the neutral wire is connected to earth ground at the power supply end. This is a common feature in power systems containing “neutral” wires, since grounding the neutral wire ensures the least possible voltage at any given time between any “hot” wire and earth ground. An essential component to a split-phase power system is the dual AC voltage source. Fortunately, designing and building one is not difficult. Since most AC systems receive their power from a step-down transformer anyway (stepping voltage down from high distribution levels to a user-level voltage like 120 or 240), that transformer can be built with a center-tapped secondary winding: (Figure below)
American 120/240 Vac power is derived from a center tapped utility transformer. https://www.ibiblio.org/kuphaldt/electricCircuits/AC/AC_10.html / / / Note: See the two 120V rectangles? Connect a 2A digital load across one and a 2A analog load across the other. 0 amps will return on the shared neutral. the two loads are in series and are fed by 240V
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I’m beginning to think you are just pulling my chain here...🤔 Where does the power that feeds your house come from? A Utility Power Company?... Somewhere outside your House there is a step down power transformer that feeds power to the electrical service of your house... Without a Single Phase 120/240V SPLIT PHASE power system there would be no 3 wire single phase multiwire branch circuit... Can’t have a 3 wire multiwire branch circuit without a split phase power system. The Utility Power Company’s step down power transformer’s center tapped 240V secondary winding is what creates the 120/240 split phase power system.
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You asked Why?
Remember This Post: Jea48 said: (12-21-2022 at 08:46am)
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Most all of us are at the mercy of a 240 V system, that involves step down transformer’s,etc. We all have a panel in our house with busbars that feed the individual circuits. And there are two legs of 120v power distribution along the bus bars alternating between the circuit breaker’s. Now is the issue here, jea48, that the Multi branch circuit involves two legs?? Versus the same leg, which isn't allowed with a multi branch circuit. It seems you’re being more profound by raising issues with the overall power in flow into a house. By design we all live with that. So the question becomes, dedicated versus multi branch circuit, is this a problem? To say it’s not isolated is not answering the question as to why it’s a problem. Each of the outlets receives dedicated power off the bus bar. This is a fact. My question focused on noise which is the issue. And if there’s no noise coming from the neutral, and the ground, assuming these are connected correctly at the panel, and the panel secures the ground via a stake in the dirt, what is the problem?? |
@emergingsoul , your above question(s) have been answered more than once by @jea48. Please re-read his posts. |
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@emergingsoul said:
I have answered your question(s) several times throughout this thread. In about every variation I can think of that gives the same answer to your question(s). You keep talking about noise on the neutral and the ground conductor. I don’t know where you are getting that from... The problem with audio equipment fed from a MWBC, (Multi Wire Branch Circuit), is not caused from the shared neutral or EGC, (Equipment Grounding Conductor). It caused by the Balanced L1 120V loads being connected in series with the L2 120V loads. You couldn’t find a better way to couple the 120V power supplies of your audio equipment together than using a MWBC to feed them.
JMHO, you would probably be better off just using one of the circuits, (turn the other one off at the panel), and power all your audio equipment just off the one. Pick up a good quality power strip for more outlets if needed.
As I have said several times in this thread the 120V L1 and 120V L2 Balanced loads (current) are in series with one another. The Noise you speak of comes from the power supplies of digital equipment, as well as any cheap made SMPS. There is your noise... The use of a MWBC dumps it right onto the primary winding(s) of the power supplies of the analog equipment. (Preamp, Power Amp, ect) Maybe you don’t have any digital equipment or equipment with SMPS. Then there is a good chance a MWBC works fine for you. Or if you do have digital front equipment and SMPS maybe the designers/manufacturer spent the extra money to add filtering to prevent digital hash from going back out onto the mains. And maybe the designer/manufacturer of SMPS(s) spent the extra money on the build quality of the SMPS(s) and filtering to prevent bad harmonics from going back out on the mains. . FWIW, If your audio system sounds good to you that’s all that maters. FWIW, you could have a new dedicated circuit installed, (10/2 Romex), and then have the electrician change the MWBC to just a two wire Hot & neurtral + grd dedicated branch circuit. Make sure the electrician feeds the two dedicated branch circuits from the same Line, Leg. Both from L1 or both from L2... Any Electrician worth his salt can rework the panel circuits to free up two breakers that are both on the same Line, Leg. I strongly suggest you don’t use the last electrician the installed the MWBC...
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I get the conversation for intellectual reasons, just not practical ones.....but thank you for the education! My electrician does work for two audio installers, and has plenty of experience with 2 channel and home theater wiring. He charged me $300 plus parts to install 1 dedicated circuit, and $100 plus parts for the second dedicated line.....and highly recommended pulling 2 completely separate lines. The extra $150 made it a simple decision. |
At long last I think I understand what’s being said here and it concerns me that the work is already done and that I may have to take a full loss on the work that was done even though I haven’t paid for it yet. Basically I have two circuit breaker’s where the related hot wires from each breaker are connected to the two outlets and there is a neutral that bridges these two outlets and then the two hot wires are wired back to the panel to a double pole breaker. And because I’m on alternate phases the voltage flow is circular. And because of the push pull action of the circuit because it’s on alternate phases the neutral wire has no current. So the flow goes from the first breaker to the first outlet to the second outlet and then back to the second breaker. Each breaker is 20 AMps. So this means the first outlet is used and contaminates the second outlet there by introducing noise to the second outlet. Basically, the configuration is crap and the second outlet is of no value since it’s not dedicated. I don’t understand the 120+120 involvement between the two outlets, in terms of is this a 240 V quad panel? It was hard for me to appreciate that the second hotwire has a directional flow back to the panel from the outlet. But since it’s on different phases I guess this makes sense. If this all makes sense and it’s correct then it seems I have to fix the crap work that was done. I asked for two dedicated circuits and I thought it involved two Romex wires as I was told it would and then I got this one wire crap. To say the least I am super super pissed. And now I’ve got a quad panel on my wall and wonder if I can do 2 dedicated circuits to be wired into that one 2 outlet plastic box inserted into my wall. Or do I need to create a new hole in the wall for the new dedicated outlet and convert quad panel to one circuit. What a mess. |
What a mess? Did you actually read the part where jea48 explained how your new work could easily be converted to one dedicated circuit in about 10 minutes? Then add a second one, and you're finished. You're out some additional money due to the first electrician not doing exactly what you asked. Stuff happens. |
From a previous thread Jea was on, I would suspect the a quad is closer together than he would like the outlets to be? But cutting a new hole in the wall isn’t that big a deal. Or you could try using just one circuit for your gear and see what you think of that. |
@emergingsoul said:
Not exactly... Only the unbalanced 120V loads of L1 & L2 returns on the neutral conductor to the source. The balanced 120V loads of L1 & L2 are in series with one another and fed by 240V. Example: Say L1 120V load is 2 amps and L2 120V load is 6 amps. 2 amps is the balanced load. The difference of 6A minus 2A = 4A. 4A is the unbalanced load and returns on the neutral conductor to the source. The L1 120V 2A load represents digital equipment. The L2 120V 6A load represents a preamp and power amp. . |
JEA48..Help me with this ,please
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My three takeaways on this thread: One - to the layman electricity can be confusing and strange and yes electricity can do some unexpected or difficult to explain or even outright bizarre things in certain circumstances. Two - the layman that wants to understand a particular electrical question really needs some Electricity 101 before getting an in depth technical explanation. The layman has too many misconceptions and misunderstandings about electricity that need clearing away before technical explanations begin. The OP finally started to grasp the issue once he started to understand that split phase transformer that supplies the power to his house. Three - if the expert explains that choice A is not ideal and that choice B is the way to go, take his word for it. The recommendations byJEA48 in this thread are exactly what was done for my two dedicated power lines a few years ago. |
I would agree with that. I try to do electrical the way people who know tell me it should be done even if I don't understand why. |
@rbertalotto said:
Yes to all the above. A true dedicated branch circuit does not share a raceway, (conduit), or cable with other branch circuits. Current carrying conductors from one branch circuit can induce a voltage onto the conductors of other branch circuits. Therein if there is noise on one circuit it could be induced, transferred, onto other circuit(s). Same reasoning is used for keeping parallel running Romex dedicated branch circuits spaced apart, away, from one another. That includes keeping audio dedicated branch circuits spaced away from existing parallel running branch circuits. Especially Lighting branch circuit using dimmers and or LED lights...
It has been an accepted norm for years multiple audio equipment dedicated circuits should be fed from breakers fed from the same Line, leg.
Also for reasons stated in this thread. / / /
FWIW, my guess would be most audiophiles have more than one dedicated branch circuit installed to help decouple the power supplies of equipment from one another. Especially digital equipment from analog equipment. Also SMPS from linear power supply analog equipment. Add up all the equipment FLA, VA, wattage, in most cases the combined total load of all the equipment is less that 8 to 10 amps, 960W to 1200W. 80% of a 20 amp circuit is 16 amps, 1920 watts.
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I would not deliberately twist Romex. Doing so will change the lay, geometry, of the way the bare equipment ground wire is placed between the Hot and neutral current carrying conductors. Altering the placement of the bare ground wire between the Hot and neutral current carrying conductors may cause a greater chance of an induced voltage onto the ground wire causing 60Hz ground loop hum and or 60Hz buzz. When you read where it is recommended to twist conductors together that is for single Hot and neutral current carrying conductors that will be installed in a raceway, conduit. The insulated equipment ground conductor is installed straight along side the twisted pair. I would recommend 10/2 MC, (Metal Clad) aluminum armored cable over NM sheathed Cable,(Romex). The Hot, Neutral, and insulated green equipment ground, conductors are tightly twisted in a spiral the entire length of the MC cable. The aluminum armor tightly holds the twist of the conductors together. The aluminum armor also helps reject RFI. Integrating Electronic Equipment and Power ... - Ground OneRead pages 11,12, 13 / / / /
A Licensed Electrician is recommended for the installation of MC cable. It’s not for a layman to install. The AL armor must be properly cut to expose the insulated conductors for make up to the box connector. Proper methods must be followed so as to not damage the insulation covering the conductors when removing the AL armor. A red UL approved pvc insulator must also be properly inserted/installed between the AL armor and conductors. Hire an Electrician... . |
it’s the push/pull activity along the hot wires that affects the return of any current to the neutral. Because each leg for the double pole breaker is not in the same phase with the other Circuit it creates a push pull current flow across the outlets. And any imbalance between the current draw from either outlet goes through the neutral - sort of like relieving the pressure I guess. Which basically means you have current flow going to the first outlet along the Hotwire and then current crosses over to the second outlet by way of the neutral wire which connects the two outlets, and then the hot wire from the second outlet has current flow back to the 2nd breaker of the double pole breaker. It is a circular flow back to the panel in this double pole configuration |
mwh777 create I totally disagree with your comment about electricity 101. To say that people should be somewhat educated about electricity before they ask merit filled questions is disappointing. It’s my view the answers should be structured in layman terms. Otherwise how are the common folk people supposed to understand it. It’s still troubling that the flow of electricity through a multi branch circuit is still confused. the nature of how the Circuit flows back to the panel on the second hot wire is difficult to understand for us layman without a better understanding of the push pull activity due to different phases on the circuit panel. Further, when there are imbalances in Energy demand from the two outlets, as there always is, how does this impact the return flow back to the panel in light of the different phases used for each outlet. This can be confusing for us Laymen and while I think I sort of understand it, it is still a little bit foggy. |
