“ If someone is your friend...And if someone is banned for whatever reason by the moderators will you stop to speak to him?“

The point being should your hypothetical ‘Friend’ circumvent the consequence of their previous behaviour in the forum owners ‘House’ you are quite comfortable with this arrangement here?

 

An unfortunate truth.

If someone is your friend...And if someone is banned for whatever reason by the moderators will you stop to speak to him?

it is not a diplomatic answer...I speak my mind politely thats all...

It is not your business if i speak to someone or not or for what reason...

And the manual or guideline of audiogon is less important to me than the gospel wisdom...

Thanks to you to respect my freedom and the freedom of others...

 

A most diplomatic answer @mahgister since we both know who we are refering to.

I will respect your position to be somewhat of the swerve that it is.

 

 

 

I'd sure hate to be a moderator these days, damned if you do and damned if you don't. Human's sometimes can't tolerate other's free speech, and perhaps this with good cause. Intentionally provoking anger in others has been shown to lead to violent acts. Do we really want this? I'll take the moderation over the uncivil few.

A most diplomatic answer @mahgister since we both know who we are refering to.

I will respect your position to be somewhat of the swerve that it is. 

I try to act in the best way possible and i try to not judge people...And i speak my mind for each SPECIFIC post i answer to without hating anyone.. (save for some intense emotional response sometimes for sure i am human 😊)

I am not perfect for sure...

but i will not answer your question...

it is not up to me to write, decide in place of the moderators here, but it is my own personal decision to accept to interact with ALL people here ...

I try to interact in the best possible way with people...

Then count me out if you want my vote for censorship...I try to appreciate EVERYONE here...

And i prefer to let you or the moderators track people behaviour ... It is not my hobby...

my best to you....

I am curious regarding your standpoint over the conduct of previous members

 

@mahgister 

I am presuming that since you continue to frequent this forum that you have inwardly digested the guidelines to membership as laid down by the owners of the forum, and in doing so agree to abide by those guidelines.

I am curious regarding your standpoint over the conduct of previous members whom the Owner/Admin/moderators of this forum have concluded to have breached those guidelines and have sanctioned them by removing that persons posting privileges on their forum.

Only for such a sanctioned person to then stick the middle finger up at that governing body , create a new and disparate membership account whilst also attempting , rather badly, to assume another persona in order to frequent this forum against the wishes of the owner/admin.

 

 

Perhaps because you are intelligent, i dont doubt this, you must read ALL my post content, not the part that suit your interpretation...

I said we must let someone even stupid say what he want to say FIRST, in the CONTEXT of a general discussion, and AFTER we can correct it and oppose his "idiotic" suggestion to inject bleach... do you catch it?

If we censor him where this censorship will stop? and why censoring just him why not all other idiots? who will decide who is an idiot? you?

I am sure that with an hour of reflection at your disposal you will understand WHY this is better to let speak freely people way better than let SOME INSTANCES decide what is idiotic, irrational, or forbidden or taboo FOR OUR OWN SAKE...

 

 

For example on this audio forum i am happy that it is not you who decide which audio device is useless and which is useful, guess why?

I am pretty sure that you are happy that in this forum it is not me that decide which audio device is useless and which is useful...

Then in this free speech audio forum you can speak your mind and me too...

Anyway i wish you the best....

it is useless to muzzle people and stupid to insult them also...Between this two there is free polite speech...

But sometimes "insults" and sarcasm are the price to pay...

 

Now i forgot to say that in your post you attribute falsely to me the idea that i was ENDORSING the Trump recommendation to take bleach if i dont want to muzzle Trump at all cost, but i endorse his right to free speech, not the recommendation made by the last idiot who can speak his mind in a free society and public context to drink bleach ... Do you catch here what the greek called a "sophism" in your criticizing of my post argument ?

Voltaire cannot be condemned because he will let Trump speak first before answering to his stupid proposition... Imagine now that i am Voltaire...is it clearer?

 

 

In a discussion, intelligence is not something we own, but something we each of us lend to the poor and borrow to the rich, the greek call it : dialogos, the way toward the LOGOS...

Wisdom  may emerge between free man....

my best to you...

😁😊

So let me get this clear, @mahgister , you think it’s perfectly OK, or at the least should be permitted, for person A to recommend to person B to drink bleach or inject themselves with it to cure covid, and then if person B is foolish enough to believe, then, well, damn the consequences.

I agree whole heartedly that respectful debates are welcome.  It's the rude, insulting attitudes that should be banned...at least that's what I thought this was about?  lol

So let me get this clear, @mahgister , you think it's perfectly OK, or at the least should be permitted, for person A to recommend to person B to drink bleach or inject themselves with it to cure covid, and then if person B is foolish enough to believe, then, well, damn the consequences.

Save for direct appeal to murder there is one concept of free speech well described by Voltaire:

«I disagree with you but i am ready to die for your right to say what you wanted to say»

Any other concept is open door for censorship...

Only fanatic want to limit for their own kind the free speech of others...

We cannot muzzle idiots but we can only educate them...

 

«Education begin with silent listening of everybody, even idiot, we can wait and  speak after them»-Anonymus free thinker 

 

Amazing on how many have a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept of "free speech". Because of that, it's abused to the point where it no longer resembles it's original concept. Now it's just used as a battering ram for trolls, idiots and those that wish to deceive, incite and insult with abandon.

All the best,
Nonioise

Tylermunns states the connundrum of free speech succinctly. The onus is on the masses to discern the truth, unfortunately that's in short supply these days. So much excess information/propaganda to confirm one's biases, very sad times.

Free speech is mostly utilised as an opportunity to state one's ignorance.

 

This thread has been a complete waste of time and energy.  I did not open pages 2, 3 and 4.  I am sure they were the same as pages 1 and 5.

It’s depressing to watch so many people dig their own grave.

If I advocate censorship, and contribute to a precedent being set that silences those who opinions I dislike, that precedent can be used to censor me.  I’m contributing to my own loss of freedoms by advocating censorship.  I’m digging my own grave.  I will be crying when I am disallowed my right to voice my opinion.

This ain’t rocket science.

It kills me watching so many people, from both sides of the aisle, eagerly advocating the erosion of our democracy. 

 

@tylermunns Everybody’s in favor of free speech until that speech runs contrary to their personal beliefs.  It doesn’t work that way.

Quite so.  Criticism - made in good faith, perhaps with a splash of humour, and to the best of one's abilities -  is fundamental to this privilege.  

Yes! Report them to the FBI immediately! Such talk is a travesty! Treasonous! Don't let them get away with it! Next they will be saying god does not exist!

Whew....that biting "wit'.....

letting guys come and say they think such and such sucks doesn't bother me. in my humble opinion the key to a good time is simply not caring. i don't take opinions that i find stupid seriously, and i genuinely enjoy mocking the people who insist that i do (not here though. i am mostly here to learn and probably buy at some point. also, have you guys checked out the what's on your turntable thread? i've gotten so many good recs for music i don't know anything about over there. killer thread.) 

but yeah i think showing up somewhere and telling strangers that you know what they hear better than they do because of charts is a great example of the type of behavior everyone can simply ignore, as opposed to agonizing over it. it simply does not matter, enjoy your stereo 👍

I’m pleased to see so many people advocating free speech.

I’m so sick and tired of both sides of the aisle trying to destroy this crucial tenet of a free society.  Everybody’s in favor of free speech until that speech runs contrary to their personal beliefs.  It doesn’t work that way.

It’s the seemingly innocuous apologia that starts with, “free speech is applicable to blank for blah-blah-blah-reason, but in this instance we should blah-blah-blah…” that creates the type of permissiveness that leads to the absence of free speech on a much broader and more destructive level.  Obviously, at that time it’s already too late.

Again, I’m pleased to see people here who understand that and advocate free speech.

Insane asylum. I have to agree. I am not an advocate of censorship, but some people are incapable of mature discourse.

 

dekay

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04-16-2022 at 07:04pm 

Political posts here @ A'Gon should be deleted ASAP, IMO, and the posters banned if they continue with such.

Troll post?

LOL!   That was soooo original!

Coming from one of Dementia Donnie's minions, that truly hurts me!  Ha ha ha!

@immatthewj kind of hard not to have that stupid old fool in your head

Aw, @jerryg123 don’t be so hard on Dementia Donnie! Ha ha!

Political posts here @ A'Gon should be deleted ASAP, IMO, and the posters banned if they continue with such.

I recognize a handful of the "political" posters here from their posts @ Audioasylum, though they use different monikers there.

I burned my bridges @ Audioasylum a while back (after posting there for 20 years) due to unsavory political and other* posts (*date rape drug "joke" posts allowed and even endorsed by one of their mods) that were not deleted.

Aside from DIYAUDIO (which I read, but rarely post @) A'Gon is the only other audio forum I currently participate in, and I would like to continue to do so (without the political crap).

As far as "audiophile deniers" go (the gist of the OP's post) I could care less as I just skim over their repetitive comments without being disturbed by them - it's a hobby (unlike the political posts).

 

DeKay

 

@jerryg123  Da, Comrade!

@immatthewj kind of hard not to have that stupid old fool in your head every time you put gas in your car and go to the grocery store.

40 year record inflation and it was up before Putin shot one shell into Ukraine so that excuse and Covid are not working.

Record low approval ratings for a POTUS. People are fleeing the DNC faster than people are fleeing NY, Illinois and California. 

Matter of fact I am moving to South Dakota. 

FREEDOM!

Why not trying to be friends and trying to discuss WITHOUT animal reflex and political stupid labels ?

Anyone using political labels in this world crisis is an idiot anyway...

Why not trying to be friends here WITHOUT judging others by political affiliation?

 

Do you mean to say, @jerryg123  , that President Biden is living in your head?

Ha ha!  You need to get over that & move on!

Came to an audio site, ended up on Twitter.

I am sorry... You are right about that...

It all begin when i tried to point to someone his political labelling habit ...

It seems that many are unable to understand anything out of the political labels left/right their keepers feed them like in a zoo..

Instead of discussing they label each other with citation from their favorite political  news outlet...

 

 

Free rent just like Millercarbon and skypunk on this site. 

Yes, @jerryg123

but Dementia Donnie makes President Biden seem like George Washington.

"Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory . . ."

@mahgister You are Canadian right?

So you could care less if it’s Fat Donnie or Dapper Diaper Joe ruining the USA.

On which planet do you live?

ask every people on the planet the effect on them of American politic...

WE ARE ALL AFFECTED BY THIS DECLINING EMPIRE...

The United States are a friendly nation, great people, but the American military empire and multinational power is not the american people it is a BEAST who affect village in Africa or quebec city...

 American election is a puppet show but the puppet character affect all the world...

Trump was an INCONVENIENT clown for those in power, Biden is a CONVENIENT clown... Thats all....

Awake yourself...

 

You’re right, @mahgister , it doesn’t matter one bit that the US came perilously close to having the democratic process subverted and an authoritarian administration illegally installed. And if that had happened it wouldn’t matter one bit to every Ukrainian today and it wouldn’t have had any impact on the global situation.

If you read my posts i am not in favor of Trump invasion of institution..

Then attacking me about that is beside the point i want to made: no understanding of the actual world crisis is possible if we label each other with political name instead of discussing...

Then instead of putting what i had never said in my mouth think twice..

All the time i came here for 8 years you ere  very swift to put unorthox audio  people under the   "thin foil" hat , for one time grow mature without attacking people in 3 lines posts...

Joe is so much fun!

 

https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/volume-24/edition-7/how-rudeness-takes-its-toll

How rudeness takes its toll

When rudeness occurs, it appears to rob us of cognitive resources, decreasing attention and overloading working memory, thereby reducing creativity.

Our findings allow us to conclude that rudeness has a spillover effect. Rudeness in our studies influenced not only helpfulness to the perpetrator (Experiment 1) but also to an experimenter who did not do any harm to the participant (Experiment 2). This implies that rude behavior can harm innocent bystanders.

 

“The disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. As you see it gets in the lungs!”

@mahgister You are Canadian right?

So you could care less if it's Fat Donnie or Dapper Diaper Joe ruining the USA. 

Nope, @twoleftears 

it doesn't matter one bit, because Fat Donnie was protecting us from them.

You're right, @mahgister , it doesn't matter one bit that the US came perilously close to having the democratic process subverted and an authoritarian administration illegally installed.  And if that had happened it wouldn't matter one bit to every Ukrainian today and it wouldn't have had any impact on the global situation.  

It isnt about what you believe it is about the reaction of others when they discover your beliefs.