HDMI may not I,don’t know. But audio cables make a difference. I don’t have to,have anyone tell me I hear it myself. If you can’t hear it don’t buy it
why do people feel the need to buy expensive cable
I have tried expensive cables and one's moderately priced. I would say there were some differences but I can't actually say the expensive cables were better. IMHO I believe a lot of people buy expensive cables because they don't actual trust their ears and are afraid of making a mistake. They figure the expensive cables are better for the fact they cost more. If you have a difference of opinion or share the same thoughts, I would like to hear about it.
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kosst_amojan HDMI cables simply don’t make any audio difference. Period. End of story. Cables carrying analog signals, yeah. Cables transporting serial packet based data with ECC QoS don’t. Anybody who tells you otherwise is lying. Calm down, Costco. You are confusing the signal with the information contained in the signal. The signal is the same as any signal, an electromagnetic wave. So the signal is subject to the nature of the cable like any other signal. The same logical fallacy was used to try to claim all digital cables sound the same. Which is not true either. Satellite signals are “digital” but they are electromagnetic waves. Do you really think companies who manufacture an entire range of HDMI cables like Audioquest are perpetrating a hoax? That would be a lot of work for the purpose of perpetrating a hoax, no? You personally are free to buy whatever price level you wish, obviously. So is everyone else. Hel-loo! |
gdhal geoffkait - “Do you really think companies who manufacture an entire range of HDMI cables like Audioquest are perpetrating a hoax?” No. They are perpetrating a business, to make money. Hel-loo! >>>>Business doesn’t equal hoax, Einstein. Your logic is all messed up. Companies make products at various prices points to appeal to a wider range of budgets and performance. You know, like Toyota and Mercedes Benz and Samsung TV. Duh! 😛 You have to know when to speak up. You also have to know when to remain silent. - A. Einstein |
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Do you really think companies who manufacture an entire range of HDMI cables like Audioquest are perpetrating a hoax? I keep telling you guys...not a hoax. These fancy cables are relatively pricey to produce because they are made to look expensive. Looking cool has value! Sorta like wheels on a Jaguar...way more show than go...more form than function. But of value nonetheless. Just let's be honest; admit you buy them mostly for the looks. If you cannot then you are being hoodwinked. Or you want them so bad to sound "better," they magically do. |
Perhaps have a friend(s) over that is a music lover, but not all that knowledgeable about most of the audiophile products such as cables. Switch some cheap cables with the expensive ones. See if it makes these obvious differences to him, you think you hear. When he can’t pick the crap from the shinola, perhaps its time to spend your money elsewhere. |
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tobor007 - Perhaps have a friend(s) over that is a music lover, but not all that knowledgeable about most of the audiophile products such as cables. Switch some cheap cables with the expensive ones. See if it makes these obvious differences to him, you think you hear. When he can’t pick the crap from the shinola, perhaps its time to spend your money elsewhere. Precisely!!! +1 Caution: Be prepared for the nonsensical commentary feedback which calls into question the kind or type of test involved. Think Amy > Bob > Amy > Bob !!! |
When all you can do is throw mud.. I think your arguments are finished. Time to throw in the towel dynaquest4! Not throwing mud...making an opinion known. My opinion. You are also free to espouse an opinion. Try to limit the personal defamations if you can. This is common on this forum...defame the message AND the messenger. And, BTW, I was saying something good about, in my opinion, a product of very poor value. Give me some credit! 😎 |
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costco_emoji, It doesn’t matter whether the information carried by HDMI cables is electrical pulses or rabbits. They are still audio and video signals. You know, like digital satellite signals, they are audio and video signals. I didn’t say they were analog signals. The signal, whether the information is digital or analog is an electromagnetic wave. As such it’s subject to the same rules as any signal traveling through any cable or wire, e.g., purity and construction of conductor, purity and construction of connectors, dielectric material, susceptibility to RF, and “directionality” of the wire. That’s why Audioquest “controls directionality” of their high end HDMI cables, like the Carbon I use, as well as all of their other high end cables and power cords. It’s not a commie plot or an elaborate trick to fool gullible rich kids. |
"why do people feel the need to buy expensive cable" I'd be surprised if anyone chooses to buy expensive cable, but that depends on what you consider expensive. My definition of expensive is an amount higher than I can, or am willing to spend. I try not to buy expensive anything. By my definition, everyone has a different bar height for expensive. Many Mercedes owners won't consider buying those expensive Bentleys. Few of us start out buying gear at the limit of our spending tolerance. We learn as we go, taking incremental steps until we're satisfied or at least hit our spending limits. For me, I'm now done with my entire setup including cables. Could it be better? You bet. Every component I have could be improved, but sonically better gear is too expensive. |
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geoffkait"Lighten up, Costco. It’s only a hobby" For you it may be a hobby, or part of a business but for people like costco it is not it is FAITH religion belief and lifestyle they follow a different gospel! |
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kosst_amojan"It has nothing to do with the hobby or audio. It
has to do with a guy spouting myths and nonsense. It doesn't really
matter what topic somebody is speaking on, I don't like liars" I understand exactly you're position costco your faith is the TRUTH and any one who's beliefs in any way are not in perfect alignment with yours are myth tellers and false prophets or perhaps just mentally ill and deluded this is a reflection of the tremendous power of FAITH and religion it is actually very common and if you do not agree that it is so common it is only because your "church" has such a small "congregation" and your gospel is not more widely embraced. |
clearthink - I understand exactly you’re position costco your faith is the TRUTH and any one who’s beliefs in any way..........blah, blah, blah If you understand his position, why are you intentionally misspelling his user id? Maybe you have no respect for it? Or maybe that is part of your *faith*, *religion* or music that interests you? |
gdhal"If you understand his position, why are you intentionally misspelling his user id" It looks like gdhal has become sensitive today that is ok I think costco is funny even though I did not originate that nickname I researched it and found it is the name of a major "warehouse" type store in the US I also think your "Bob>Amy>Bob>Amy" refrain is also very funny because absurdity can be an element of humor kind of like the Brits with Monty Python in fact whenever I see you're "Bob>Amy>Bob>Amy" I picture John Cleese doing his funny walk I do not know if you have that in the US you might want to look at Youtube it is probably there. |
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kosst_amojan"you’re confusing truth and faith as being the same in some way. They’re polar opposite concepts. Truth is the trust in things seen. Faith is trust in things unseen...That’s the difference between your opinion and mine. Mine is rooted in things seen and is therefore truth..." Yes that is exactly the sort of response I would expect from someone consumed by faith, belief or what many call religious fervor it is the absolute conviction that the facts support their faith and a overriding discomfort with being able to express faith in a pure way by simply stating plainly "this is what I believe" and must instead insist that they're belief is based on some "fact" or set of facts such as a religious tenet. There is tremendous comfort for some people in embracing faith and as I have previously stated we must in this group accept that other's here will have "faith" that we do not agree with that is fine! However what is not quite right is for you to continually pound this group with your insistence that your "faith" is the "true faith" based on your interpretation of "truth" while at the same time denying overabundant evidence that indicates your "faith" does not have all of the "answers" or any exclusivity of the "truth" it is like people who insist on the "science" of "intelligent design" while at the same time sweeping aside overwhelming research, evidence and documentation that shows it to be simply inconsistent with the record of facts. But make no mistake here I absolutely support your right to pretty much practice your faith as you see fit. |
clearthink - It looks like gdhal has become sensitive today that is ok I think costco is funny even though I did not originate that nickname I researched it and found it is the name of a major "warehouse" type store in the US .... Oh, seeing that you researched I understand much better now. Sorta like if someone were to refer to you as "Everclear", right? Thanks for the explanation. |
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