That must have been the kiddie tour :-). On one of our tours, they turned all the lights off for about 5 minutes so people could feel the absolute dark. Maybe it was less. I can't remember if that was the full day underground tour, or a different one. Was quite a while ago.
What is the Silliest Accessory You Have Ever Seen.
I was flipping through the accessory pages at the Cable Company and came up with this https://www.thecableco.com/hallograph.html You have to be kidding me. Of all the dumb, idiotic, profoundly stupid things I have ever seen. The marketing is even better! Have you seen anything worse! It is up to us to uncover these things for what they are, SCAMS.
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Sorry about the mistakes. I was using my medical Dragon Dictate then had to get to a patient and prematurely hit the post button. Change "permanent" to primitive. Change "goes across" to those. Some of the mistakes are strange. I run music in the background and I think it must confuse it. I'll have to turn the volume down more. |
"Some of the mistakes are strange. I run music in the background and I think it must confuse it." "Control your computer by voice with speed and accuracy..." Dragon Speech Recognition - Get More Done by Voice | Nuance You are just too fast and Dragon is just not as accurate as advertised. |
You have to be kidding me... https://audiobacon.net/2019/04/05/sotm-snh-10g-audiophile-ethernet-switch-review/ an Ethernet switcher... The reviewers have become a big part of the problem! That this guy spends the first half of the article mounting a defense for his forthcoming position... says plenty |
@gmercer, 'The reviewers have become a big part of the problem!' Yes, we're certainly seeing a lot of this impartial pushing from reviewers. Nauseating sycophantic creeps like Darko have totally renounced any interest in further debate. They're on the back foot having been exposed as keyboard shills and hence all of this 'let the listener decide' rhetoric that had previously slipped their jaundiced minds. A small suggestion? How about a little balance, and a little more honesty? Let Kelvin from Stereo X review illustrate a good way of keeping it real. Praise and criticism, criticism and praise. https://youtube.com/channel/UC7kMqpL7_dqLvOnNK6rkJNA |
Most people are honest in my world experience.... No need of a lantern..... Most reviewers are like average audio consumers, they are mot dishonest, they dont know better way to improve than a costly upgrade... No review advocate rightfull controls installation over upgrade....Ignorance with blinders is not dishonesty.... |
@gmercer - your observations about the
"audiophile" Ethernet
switch highlights my issue with "audiophile" tweaks in general....
the
high'ish prices often seem more aligned with the hype than the actual benefit resulting from products that most non-audiophiles would view as rather ordinary.
I recently stumbled on the Audio Science Review website where they measure and review a variety of audio gear. In the case of two "audiophile" Ethernet switches they reviewed, they did not find any measured or discernable sonic differences between those two "audiophile" switches and the Netgear smart Gigabit switch they had on hand. One of the "audiophile" switches became so hot the author "started to smell what resembled like overheating electronics" and measured a case temperature of over 100 degrees F! |
😊 My wife expedited 12 thousand parcels in the world when she was working for a 10 years period... Guess with how many dishonest people she deals with? A few.... For sure what she was selling was not the first and most attracting objects for the sociopaths, psychopaths or average idiots... Friends from Wall Street are not friends from philosophers circle or from honest small business workers.... We generally chose our hell or paradise, and our friends, except if we live unluckily at some bad moment of history and at the wong place with the wrong people... But there is for sure many new bad places at this precise moment of history now... Alas! Humanity and life strive more and better because of cooperation anyway than rivalry... We know now that the life on earth organism form a family, not mainly a bunch of individuals in struggle... We learned from Darwin and Vernadsky ...Not from some bad Darwinist.... |
Mahgister, an anecdote dose not a study make. My wife has a lot of trouble with the truth. She white lies all over the place. She is so prolific at it that I have a hard time telling if she means it or not (compliments). I have no trouble believing her when she has something derogatory to say. @glupson, can I share the ride? I got pulled over speeding a couple of years ago. The cop wrote me up for reckless driving which in New Hampshire is driving to endanger others or going over 100 mph. I was doing neither. Since reckless driving takes it to a much more serious level I took him to court. He floridly lie about the conditions of the stop. My mouth must have dropped three feet. My lawyer drilled him a new a-- h--- and I won the case. He was a known bad actor in town. He now resides in Alaska. Humans will lie unless it is their own best interest not to. |
Mahgister, an anecdote dose not a study make.My intention was not a study.... Only to gives a personal anecdote that has some meaning attached to it... Perhaps do you know Vernadsky? It is no more an anecdote in my post.... One of the greatest Russian scientist... For the study of cooperation of organisms in the long run we had plenty of studies; these facts dont eliminate struggle for life, and in human society the battle of all against all, but that relativize the phenomenon pointing to a more deep fact in the long run: cooperation... Than in human society trust is the ONLY money, thinking otherwise is limited brain power or the results of past traumas or the two....Pick your choices... History go to the " utopia" of self destruction or the opposite , there is no mid-way between these 2... Why? Because it is cooperation or death.... Simple ....Earth cannot manage 8 billions liars... Humans will lie unless it is their own best interest not to. You just say a few second ago that anecdote dont constitue a study.... And my anecdote has 12,000 anecdotes like yours...There are story and story... It is like your opinion of a "tweak" and many consumers satisfied opinions, there is a DIFFERENCE in the weight of anecdotes... Doctor must know this day by day...It is called a prognostic... Anyway you are old enough to understand that those who always lies like your cop are those and the same who put themselves in the conditions where lying is a life style... Average people dont lie at this scale and dont place themselves in the conditions where lies will be necessary and a life style... If you go to bed with another woman you will be in the obligation to lie, not because you are a liar, because there is no other way.... Simple... «Thinking is not only addition, it is division too, and few other things»-Groucho Marx |
@mahgister, You and I and many others that contribute to this forum might try to be honest as we can be, but it isn't the way of this world. The truth in 2021 is now probably only reserved for those interactions between between friends and loved ones. Certainly seems that no one in the big outside world is too concerned with telling the truth. Certainly not the tyrannical banks, the litigious lawyers, those puppet politicians, the censorious educational establishment, the apparatchiks in the mainstream media, the farcically propagandist fact checkers, those ravishingly data stealing carnivorous tech giants, the fear-spreading pill-dishing big pharma, and obviously not even your friendly neighborhood hi-fi reviewer. The likes of the late Peter Aczel are few and far between, alas. Any that still remain (Penn Jillette, Derren Brown, Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning etc etc) risk being banished and sent to distant concentration camps and gulags to be found on the outer reaches of the cyber universe. Places where they might find themselves in the company of criminals and the seriously deluded. Exiled to virtual penal colonies. "If you go to bed with another woman you will be in the obligation to lie, not because you are a liar, because there is no other way.... Simple..." Unless you are very lucky and have a very understanding partner.. It's a little risky, but I think personal honesty (ok maybe not quite the confessional Russell Brand type of antics - not everyone is ready for that) can lead to closer more substantial relationships. |
You are right on all counts.... But dont forget that all ordinary humans are mostly trustful.... It is only an era where the scum can pilot humanity without the need to hide himself...Then the liars are visible all over the place.... But they dont outnumbered the vast decent majority invisible to any spotlight.... My experience with people is most are trustful....Here for example in these forums, most are trustful..... Rest assured that i am not too gullible..... 😁 |
I recently read an interview, basically a statement/explanation, by a director of a tin foil manufacturing company. He said that sides are different because of the process that involves rolling. Apparently, neither side is the "right" one. Both are equal and difference in appearance is due to that rolling. I cannot elaborate as I do not remember the details. |
mijostyn, I try to stay on topic so I wanted to make sure that audioguy85, mahgister, and you have confidence in your work. This is not the interview I was referring to, but should be an acceptable source. Check the question... "What is the difference between the shiny and dull sides?" ...lower on the page. Heavy Duty Foil | Reynolds Kitchens |
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@mahgister, "But dont forget that all ordinary humans are mostly trustful...." Apparently experiments from the first part of the last century have shown that some 20% of the population are highly suggestible. These are the kind of folk a hypnotist will usually seek out to join them on stage for the entertainment of everyone else. More disturbingly it seems to also indicate that at least 1 in 5 of us is constantly ready and willing to believe virtually anything we are told. Especially when it's by a person with some conferred authority. Funnily enough there also seems to some 20% of folk who are not suggestible and unlikely to change their minds in any eventuality. I'm sure most of us have known the odd family member that was like that. Of course I'd like to see myself as someone that's not so suggestible and only prepared to rely upon reason and data (ie in the middle group of 60%) but I know I'm not. Not when it comes to audio (and certainly not when it comes to judging people but that's another story). I've had my fair share of cognitive dissonance when it came to purchasing various bits and bobs over the years. Every CD player that I bought was progressively more expensive and more worshipped by the audio press than its predecessor, and yet for some reason my mind recently has been going back to that cheap machine my friend borrowed me back in the late 90s when I was in-between decks. I've WhatsApped him to see if he still has it - he might have as he's a bit of a hoarder. If so I'd love to hear it again and compare it to my current player (Marantz CD6000ki) just to see how the two compare. Everything tells me that the Marantz simply must be better and yet....I still remember, some 20 years later, of having being pleasantly surprised every time I'd put that machine on. I seem to think it was an Aiwa (I hardly paid any attention to it at the time as I was then in the search for something far far better - or so I thought) but hopefully my friend will be able to find it and confirm it. |
Apparently experiments from the first part of the last century have shown that some 20% of the population are highly suggestible.This is an underestimation... Most human more than half, are very suggestible, it is a characteristic of human being..Socialization of the entity in the herd ask for that...(for sure my estimation is anecdotal) Hypnosis is not all there is about suggestibility and the way to assess it....Political gatherings illustrate very much the way the herd mentality, with his target scapegoats, the mass suggestibility are the rule... Funnily enough there also seems to some 20% of folk who are not suggestible and unlikely to change their minds in any eventualityAnd this phenomenon of a mind closed to suggestion and appearing unmoveable is also an illusion.... People in a cult, scientific one or religious one, are unmoveable and apparently non suggestible anymore...They seems non suggestible but it is an illusion that is created after a deep conditioning of their brain in the past....Often being the most conditioned they neede a deprogramming but they cannot be awaken without risk like the sleepwalkers.... Of course I’d like to see myself as someone that’s not so suggestible and only prepared to rely upon reason and data Relying on reason and data is way more difficult than people think generally... What is a data? What is reason? When Goethe contradicted the metaphysical corpuscular and mathematical theory of colors and light of Newton , he was relying on concrete phenomena and reason... Newton has his own nore ambitious goal tough: a complete optic theory...Except Newton theory was abstract and not founded in the biological and natural phenemonomogy and physiology of the experience... Newton and Goethe were rational and the 2 vouch for datas....Goethe was without the mathematical conditioning of Newton... He foundeed the physiology of perception and another perspective about what is science...He was the Faraday of life phenomenon, but the Maxwell of biology never emerge after him, we gain Darwin a genius in his own way... it is only today that Goethe is vindicated after the death of some aspects of the Darwinian paradigm..... 😊 In audio like you, i was not rational at all.... I only wanted my Hi-Fi experience at all cost.... But without money... 😁 This is not rational, this is an obsessive dream... I succeeded with a 500 bucks audio system to create a S.Q. on par or better than all i have known to this day....It is not the best, but so good that i dont give a damn about the best anymore... I discovered in the last years of my audio journey that audiophiles are very suggestible group , not because they are insensitive to science facts like said the "scientism" of some engineer, but because they think that Hi-Fi experience is linked to PRICE and HYPE.... But the suggestibility of mass consumerism put blinders on the thinking brain, they chase their tail instead of learning HOW to listen not only music but sound and HOW to embed what they already own... Not knowing how to install their own system in his 3 working dimensions, they are frustrated and go on upgrading forever... The engineer who create the design sells and market them like a perfect gear that we only have to connect to reach paradise... 😁 I know for sure that all that is half truth worst than a lie....Without embedding controls in their mechanical,electrical and acoustical dimensions, any Hi-Fi product work way under his S.Q. potential, unbeknownst to the customers who will wanted to upgrade sooner than later.... It is not data or reason that give me this experience and belief.... It was poverty and the impossibility to upgrade much.... My only 2 ressources was my listening ears and creativity.... Here creativity was better than reason and superior to it, and my listening ears way better than the so called given "data".... My best to you and thanks for your patience with my lenghty post.... |
@mahgister, I am not disagreeing with your statements. Based on the current political situation I would estimate that at least 50% of the population is highly suggestible. But, on what basis are you making these statements, as a matter of experience and opinion or do you have a degree in sociology or psychology? Stop apologizing, your posts are always....lenghty. We are use to it. Social Darwinism is a travesty, the evolution of a species is not. |
mijostyn"Based on the current political situation I would estimate that at least 50% of the population is highly suggestible. But, on what basis are you making these statements, as a matter of experience and opinion or do you have a degree in sociology or psychology? So you are saying the 50% of the population who disagrees with your political choice are "highly suggestible" but that you have somehow avoided falling "victim" to this suggestibility??? |
@mahgister, I am not disagreeing with your statements. Based on the current political situation I would estimate that at least 50% of the population is highly suggestible. But, on what basis are you making these statements, as a matter of experience and opinion or do you have a degree in sociology or psychology?My post was an answer to a friend here : Then this is"anecdotal"....In reality ALL humans are suggestible at children age, and some only "waited" a variable amount of time to be programmed completely or to partially chose their program (scientism,religions, sects, political parties)Humans CANNOT live without answers that are most of the time not the truth at best and half truth at worst... 😁 Truth ask for a work about OURSELF....Not only about nature or about number theory....Apparently experiments from the first part of the last century have shown that some 20% of the population are highly suggestible.This is an underestimation... Truth is like freedom, nobody wanted it, save few great human spirits...It is a too heavy load on the back of each of us.... But, on what basis are you making these statements, as a matter of experience and opinion or do you have a degree in sociology or psychology?Like in audio i did not have any competence at all in anything... My life job was counselling of students of all fields about reading in philosophy, linguistics, science, mathematics,poetry, psychology, even astrology and other studies😁... The only think i learned to was chosing my books......These books were so interesting that it was not necessary to like reading to read them.... I was very good to move people to read books they dont like... For example i instructed mathematicians to read some specific poet for their specific character , and to poets to read about natural phenomena or number theory....😊I was very good to seeds enthusiasm and to make synthesis.... But i am totally incompetent....Like i am incompetent in audio, but i can learn by myself .... All i say, all i can say, is my opinion.... Social Darwinism is a travesty, the evolution of a species is not.Evolution is the central feature of biology for the last 2 centuries....But Evolution is not reducible to Darwin concepts, and is a way more complex concept than imagined by most....Proponent of intelligent design for example has mark some good points.... This article is an introduction to the Goethean concepts....They are clear but very, very deep....Dont be fooled by the simplicity of the description at first sight....One of the best books about Goethe vision in English had be written by a physicist who studied and worked with David Bohm, Henry Bortoft.... https://www.natureinstitute.org/article/craig-holdrege/goethe-and-the-evolution-of-science Goethe is not understood easily..... He was the " holder of the largest private collection of minerals of his time in Europe—with almost 18,000 specimens" and many thousands plants specimens.....Dont think a minute that Goethe was a lazy poet.... It is very easy to miss his ideas even today ....They are too deep to be understood on the spot....Bortoft explain very well why and how... It take him 20 years to do so.... Then dont execute Goethe ideas with "scientism" in few minutes....It is like for audio phenomena , there is more than meet the eyes of anyone.... 😊😊 My best to you..... |
@clearthink, Why so defensive? I take no sides. I simply make the observance that there are two groups diametrically opposed. One of the two groups is drinking the Kool-Aid. I leave it up to you to decide which group that is. Our government has been hopelessly corrupt for quite a while. The fact that there are no term limits in congress and no meaningful campaign finance reforms bears witness to this. If I were not so old and entrenched I would move to Canada. At least I would know what I was getting. @mahgister, I think you have stumbled onto an interesting problem with us humans. When we do not know what is going on we make stuff up. We mythologize. This may have been going on long before H. sapiens cropped up about 200,000 years ago. Zeus was a creative explanation for lightning. There have been millions of myths throughout our time on this planet all firmly taken as gospel in their day. Many had a very difficult death, like the earth is flat. New myths pop up on a daily basis if you care to watch the news. |
@mahgister, I think you have stumbled onto an interesting problem with us humans. When we do not know what is going on we make stuff up. We mythologize. This may have been going on long before H. sapiens cropped up about 200,000 years ago. Zeus was a creative explanation for lightning. There have been millions of myths throughout our time on this planet all firmly taken as gospel in their day. Many had a very difficult death, like the earth is flat. New myths pop up on a daily basis if you care to watch the news.Thanks for you reply.... But reducing myths to only fancy is also a deception about ourself.... Myths are a fundamental expression of the creative imagination, and in this sense they are not "fictions" in the modern acceptation of the word...Imagination has 2 side: passive imagination this is illusion, dreaming, and going out of the reality...But creative and formative imagination is on the opposite side an access to reality and in this sense it is real... Cassirer give the example of a curved line, that is a work of art for the artist, a mathematical conic section or the number line for a geometer, or the appearence of a beautiful feminine body for the lover, or an exact metaphor of the absolute infinite for a mystic, or a direct sign of the divine in the sky or in the sand or the confusion between a serpent and and cable in the dark room of imagination for many of us.... The curve is all that at the same times and way MORE.... Without imagination there is NO perception of reality.... And sometimes what we called myth, the oral transmission through millenia, convey and refer to real fact and phenomenon, interpreted in the past, but not reducible to "fiction" only.... Reality is not an outer "fact" or a set of facts.... This is one of the greatest illusion of modern man... Modern science and modern psychology enlightened us about that.... « What seems to exist, but does not exist by itself, is the real staircase that brings us to truth»-Anonymus Smith «Do you also walk on water?»-Groucho Marx |
mijostyn@clearthink, Why so defensive? I take no sides. I simply make the observance that there are two groups diametrically opposed" I am not defensive I asked a question which you are unable, unwilling, or incapable of responding to or towards and you have taken a side in this matter of your creation very much! You have said half of your country is suggestible and drank the koolaid you don't need to identify your side to reveal your reasoning that those who disagree with you are suggestible and drank the koolaid it is so obvious. |
mijostyn OP3,670 posts02-10-2021 7:25am@mahgister, I am not disagreeing with your statements. Based on the current political situation I would estimate that at least 50% of the population is highly suggestible. About 60% on one side of the spectrum, 40% on the other, I will leave it up to individuals to decide which side is which. |
It is very tragical and comical to read that some think that they are in the right half of humanity.... The less stupid half, the less gullible one for sure... 😁 Many posts here reflect around this 50 % coming from some"nose" statistic... And those speaking in this way truly think that they are in the less worst of these 2 possible goups....The gullible and the non gullible one... The truth is more drastic..... All of us, except a ridiculous few number under 1 % are gullible, conditioned, to some degree and confuse truth with opinion or dogma ften if not most of the times.... I even include myself in this group.... I only try to be conscious of this fact time to time... 😊 «Truth is not a medecine at all, it is a disease with sure death of the city for result»-A judge against Plato «I order the truth for dinner, and they serve me waste on a plate»-Groucho Marx |
Clearthink, you are unnecessarily mean. The truth is all of us are being abused by a few whose sole goal is to make money. Since they have the most they can buy anything they want, politicians, the media, anything and anyone. We are all in the same boat and if we can not get together and stand against these forces then we deserve what we get. Mahgister, the one thing about humans is they are as a group surprisingly predictable. Rarely one of us exceeds expectations like the Rev Martin Luther King. |
Absolutely, without a doubt, the silliest accessory I have ever seen is the Schumann Resonator. Turns out I have two of them. A present intended for my health from a homeopathic relative. In a few weeks My son in law's brother and fiancée are coming up for the weekend, all young people with excellent hearing. My system should be back up by then. The SRs will be hidden and connected to remote controlled outlets which my wife will operate. As a very biased person I will be excluded from the experiment. I these make such a stunning improvement in sound quality it should be a breeze for at least one of four young people to be able to identify the "on" condition consistently. |
Absolutely, without a doubt, the silliest accessory I have ever seen is the Schumann Resonator. Turns out I have two of them. A present intended for my health from a homeopathic relative. In a few weeks My son in law’s brother and fiancée are coming up for the weekend, all young people with excellent hearing. My system should be back up by then. The SRs will be hidden and connected to remote controlled outlets which my wife will operate. As a very biased person I will be excluded from the experiment. It never comes trough your mind that non audiophile listeners in an unknown room with unknown music for them cannot consistently predict anything in a coherent manner if they are not in their normal listening conditions with musical files they know really well? Dont you know that the S.G. work really for many at the condition that the acoustic setting of the room and at the condition that the audio system make it able to work? This S.G. effect would have been undetectable in my own room 3 years ago with the same gear.... Dont you know that this change is very real but subtle, affecting the air between notes more than the sound itself? Dont you know that this improvement is less linked to the ears acuity but to the listeners hearing experience and habits? It is easy to read your mind... You simply arrange this to say that " blind test" prove it wrong... You dont even want to subject yourself to the test, the only one competent to do it in your own room system with your own music ? 😁 Your post is a joke my friend.... It is written in the sky that you all will laugh a lot.....Of stupid audiophiles and stupid homeopaths....Before and after the experiment... I will have never post this if you had said that you will itself pass the test.... But eliminating yourself with the bias pretext is very revelatory.... |