@mofojo, SH-T, I'm in the wrong business. For that kind of money I could buy a pile of special burls and make 100 Clamps in a week or so. Then I could buy a Boulder amplifier.
What is the Silliest Accessory You Have Ever Seen.
I was flipping through the accessory pages at the Cable Company and came up with this https://www.thecableco.com/hallograph.html You have to be kidding me. Of all the dumb, idiotic, profoundly stupid things I have ever seen. The marketing is even better! Have you seen anything worse! It is up to us to uncover these things for what they are, SCAMS.
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Someone else a ways back mentioned this record clamp but I just ran across the ad and it made me laugh!! Introducing the Shun Mook Record Clamp at the low low price of 5.6k!! Get some magic beans with it too. Oh it also comes with unique powers! All the expensive antivibration devices people use to stomp out vibration and this claims to add some back in! LOL. Only the good ones though. I got me some nice burl out in the yard. Maybe I'll whittle me up some of dem burls with the Old Grand Dad pocket knife and sell 2 fer one of the Shun Mooker. I'd be one rich sum bich. "This record clamp is made from extremely rare pieces of dried ebony briar. The extra heavy century old ebony root which were immersed in the swamps of Africa has a unique power that no other wood possesses. The vibration generated by the diamond stylus in the vinyl groove besides inducing an electroflux through the phono-cartridge also excites the ebony molecules, causing it to resonate. This in turn is feed back through the stylus and is reproduced as expanded sound staging, enhanced separation, sharpened focus and enriched tonal balance of the music." |
@lewm Well then, don't get in between Ford and Chevy guys:-) By definition none of this is serious. We can't punch each other out over the internet. A lot of this is misinterpreted anyway. Expression is missing and it can be hard to tell when someone is joking. Humans were not designed to communicate this way. It may be the reason young folks have become so politically correct. They live on the internet. |
I have been reading contretemps such as these for years, on this Forum and also on Tweaker's Asylum. I cannot remember ever even one instance where two guys who vehemently disagreed on the efficacy of this or that tweak eventually came to hold a common view. More typically, the opponents go their own way in anger, secure in their own set of beliefs. Every one of us has his own "truth". Best to leave it at that. It does not bother me if someone else believes in an "SG" or room equalization by digital means or whatever. From what I know of physics, at least some of these tweaks are flat out impossible, but I don't care if someone else believes otherwise. I would be interested to hear the before and after results with my own ears, is all. Too bad we live so far apart from one another. In this world, there are other ingrained beliefs that grieve me and concern me much more than the play of audiophiles. |
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@theaudiotweak , polarity of shear? I think the problem here is that you will believe everything you hear while audio2design and I do not human nature being what it is. Bud Purvine's invention was so important that nobody uses it although his explanation, blocking the formation of standing waves make a whole lot more sense. It does not work either. Thanks audio2 design for another goofy "Tweak." I can make a pair of those for $10. Nice little antenna. Great for injecting RF into your device! |
If you dont understand the fundamental cause then you can"t find and apply the right cure. Cuts on speaker cones is only one answer of many. If engineers were aware of the cause then there could be more applied answers not just one. A member of our company has a patent on how to reduce shear wave interference in certain strings instruments. Once this is understood I can see new or better methods of interference reduction in audio components and audio environments. Tom |
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We identified the causes of the problem a polarity of shear. Bud Purvine in his 1991 patent addreses this with a cure not knowing then that it was shear wave on both sides of and thru the cone material.. Bud now believes what causes the issues on a moving cone is a Raleigh wave that does contain shear and compressive waves. The returning polarity of shear creates interference when it collides with the next wave launch. Buds patent is just over 30 yrs old and only a few today know the reason why it works. US patent 5,304,746 Tom |
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Don’t hold your breath but I will get to it I promise. My son in law will run the test on two friends that are music buffs. As I am hopelessly biased and considered by many to be an a--hole I will go out for a ride during the test.First i apologize for my sarcasm going to far... I am sure you are honest ,only biased, but we all are.... Some more tough, and perhaps me, why not? ! 😁 I am sorry for your necessary privation of music and for this wrist problem.... I hope all will come back to normal for you.... I apologize sincerely..... You dont need my sarcasm in these changing times... I hope the best for you and your family.... And nerver mind our different perspectives and histories we are also friends here and not enemies... I wish you the best from my heart.... |
mahgister, right now I have no system, I sold my loudspeakers and my new ones are due to be shipped tomorrow. They are Soundlabs 845s and have to be shipped by freight ($1297.00!!) I doubt I will see them for two weeks. My wife also used this as an excuse to redecorate the Media room. She has me making a bar, three stools and a new equipment cabinet/record rack all in Walnut ($12.50 board/foot). She has painted the room a dark blue and is replacing the carpet. I have a 1929 Mason + Hamlin Parlor Grand piano that has to be moved, My new Sota Cosmos Vacuum table has yet to entered production and finally I have additional wrist surgery scheduled for the 19th of March because three screws loosened. Don't hold your breath but I will get to it I promise. My son in law will run the test on two friends that are music buffs. As I am hopelessly biased and considered by many to be an a--hole I will go out for a ride during the test. Mahgister, l like better sound quality just like anyone here. If Schumann Resonators make my system sound better I'll buy a bunch of them. It is not my style to lie about such things even if some people like cleeds think I am a liar. Is that projection? I don't pull punches. |
What news with your blind test mijostyn? I am surprized by the absence of the definitive proof of the "deceptive" "big lie" associated with the S.G. ? I am sure that the test has been cancelled.... It cannot be positive then with no news about his revelatory negative answer, the only left answer is his cancellation or a postponement.... But perhaps i am wrong, it was positive and you dont dare to say it here.... It will nullify all your attitude and thread.....Anyway.... i dont need the blind test....I am "blind" myself is it not ?.... 😁😊 |
Mahgister, you are incredible. All your stuff was created by your brain for your brain. Your ears are just along for the ride. But, whatever makes you happy. Do get the microphone. That will teach you a lot. I already know that.... I am not a crusader against mic feedback...Like some other crusade against windmills or against products they even never experimented with...I am creative not a crusader.... Read me "accurately".... By the way i am a passionnate... Dont take too personal my answer to your posts.... Ear and brain are always a unity in music and sound perception...It is not so simplistic like the alternative: "the brain fool the ear seeing a costly amplifier between the test", or "the perfect acuity of the ear detect the audible alleged effects"... The line between phenomena located at different levels are not draw once for all by us.... «Between this level which is the bottom of the sea and this other one you see with the sun, there are another level you dont see, says the whale to Jonah listening to him in his belly»-Groucho Marx bible commentator |
What exactly are you fixing with a Schumann Resonator? The answer is , you have no ideaMy S.G. dont fix anything.... They add something completely different...Nothing else will add...If the conditions are there for the effect to be audible on the first place ...Half of all peoples room at least, unbeknownst to them have a very high noise floor in the 3 working embeddings dimensions of their audio system... And they cannot know directly by listening nor estimate the level of their own noise floor ... Your equalizer will not reveal that to you sorry.... My ionizers dont fix anything they act on the molecules of air.... My acoustic controls devices and the passive material treatment fix my room...Not the S.G. and the ionizers... My 18 Helmholtz finely adjusted Pipes and tubes for example correct the relation of the speakers/room FOR MY EARS and WITH MY EARS and each ears being structurally specific, they work in a way an equalizer can do...Acoustic is not reducible to equalization with a mic...Even if it is useful to use a mic for sure... Same thing for my other acoustic devices... I will use a mic this summer to refine all my devices workings for sure... One set of measures dont contradict another sets if the ears guides us... What you call a subjective defect or BIAS in each different ears is the ONLY tool with which each of us we can listen to anything...The tuned and controlled room in relation with the source of the sound(the speakers) is like an acoustic device in the ears of an half deaf person, the apparatus works better tuned for his particular deafness... The room in the same way must be tuned for specific ears not only for specfic speakers... My Helmholtz grid and other devices are created by my ears and for my ears.... Anyway all that worked so much well my system is completely transformed and the cost is peanuts...All my devices COST almost NOTHING and are homemade... Calling that "snake oil" is bad faith.... You cannot call that placebos either save by bad faith.... I sell creativity.... What do you sell? Equalizers? Prejudices against something you will never experiment and dont want to ? Your test is a joke... Anybody reading your thread and arrogance will know for sure that you will never admit to be wrong... Especially with a "stupid" device like an S.G. You will prefere calling all others who succeed to perceive an audible effect to be deluded.... The only problem here for those who listen the effect and those who cannot is not the presence of delusion or not but the 3 noise floors of their environment : mechanical, electrical and acoustical... Before condemning people to be deluded by a collective placebo effects that struck only a part of the population, it is more wise to enquire about the noise floor in audio.... But these rational attitude will certainly be out of your "square mind" opinionated mind... If you are a scientist i am a cactus.... 😁 Science is first an attitude and ethic of the mind process...Not a diploma... Your attitude look like religious zeealots ...Scientism and religious zealots are brothers of the same blood....They all are crusaders.... |
mijostyn @cleeds , yes, I am a physician and have to deal with human lunacy on a daily basis. But right now I do not have my physician’s coat on and none of you are my patients so I can let it fly. I apologize if that upsets you ...You haven’t upset me, not even a little. Yes, I know you claim to be a physician. Based on your behaviors here - which reflect ill logic and where you’ve been suspended from the group at least once for attacking people - I don’t believe your claim. It’s your problem if that upsets you. Perhaps some of the lunacy you "deal with on a daily basis" is your own. |
@cleeds , yes, I am a physician and have to deal with human lunacy on a daily basis. But right now I do not have my physician's coat on and none of you are my patients so I can let it fly. I apologize if that upsets you. But, I will no stop either. Every time I see this kind of claptrap I will call it out for what it is. @audio2design, well said. Thank you. Instead of wasting money on worthless trinkets save up for a calibrated mic and impulse measurement program and know for sure what your system is doing. You want to make your system better. Go listen to the best. Have a target to shoot for. Know what is possible. Identify the defects in your system and learn how to correct them. What exactly are you fixing with a Schumann Resonator? The answer is , you have no idea. Every system has problems and in most cases they are unidentified because most audiophiles are running blind depending on their hearing which is a big mistake. |
Most "tweaks" are the equivalent of "simple but wrong".Your post is right for the most part...Most underestimate totally the acoustic, which is for me more powerful than MOST upgrade at ANY cost... But remember that if a "tweak" cannot solve all problem, a set of listening experiments for 2 years with many devices can solve some... Even if it is unorthodox like using cheap S.G. and many, many other devices... Dont jump too speedily to conclusion.... My room look like a mess by the way... But my sound did not sound like a mess.....And the reason is NOT my particular choice of gear.... 😁 |
There is a popular internet meme, with people going in two directions. They comes across a cross-roads, and they have two choices of answers, "Simple but wrong", and "Complex but right". Most "tweaks" are the equivalent of "simple but wrong". Raise youe cables, buy a $5.00 Schuman generator, pay $20K for a cable, puts caps on your RCA jacks, even many equipment swaps. These are all simple, but wrong answers in audio recreation. Taking the time to learn about acoustics, how to measure acoustics in a room, actually treating a room, doing double blind tests to avoid bias, assuming you are wrong when you hear something .... these are all complex things, and hard, but they are right. Look at the picture of people's systems here. 90% have no acoustics. 95% have inadequate acoustics. Most of those won't have any DSP correction to fix the gross frequency response issues. They have the audio equivalent of a "hot mess". Sure it looks good, and it sure is purdy ... but don't take that home with you. |
mijostyn No mahgister and millercarbon. It is not a joke and I am not the blind one.Your "estimation" is an insult. It's not humble at all, it's just the opposite. What's odd is that you claim to be a physician, yet you apparently don't hesitate to diagnose and condemn those you've never even met. Perhaps you are far more "suggestible" than you are comfortable acknowledging. |
If i read you i am afraid of what you think of my system, enjoying it now? Many people enjoy the results of this device, but they are ALL deluded.... You are not.... The fact and the truth and the reason why we speak about the devices that can help achieving the improvement, the only fact are the device, not our fear or our belief...Testing it ask for more than your biased test...destined to fail....For the reasons i give to you and you never answer to.... Because in THIS THREAD of yours your goal is not truth but proving your point.... Read yourself before posting and answering arguments i give about your test with only this sophistry about fear... i am a bit afraid because of your lack of logic ....Like all opinionated people your logic is a circle... You NEVER respond with any arguments at all.... Except accusing others of delusion by placebo...With your equalizer you are not deluded in any way for sure... Think about this fact.... |
No mahgister and millercarbon. It is not a joke and I am not the blind one. Fairy tales are for children. What are you guys scared of? The truth? The truth is that you men are extraordinarily suggestible. So much so that a cheap little circuit board that does absolutely nothing changes your own sensory evaluation in a significant way. Then you try and rope everyone else into making the same mistake pissing away money on claptrap. It is you that are the joke and in my humble estimation it is a bad one. |
Absolutely, without a doubt, the silliest accessory I have ever seen is the Schumann Resonator. Turns out I have two of them. A present intended for my health from a homeopathic relative. In a few weeks My son in law’s brother and fiancée are coming up for the weekend, all young people with excellent hearing. My system should be back up by then. The SRs will be hidden and connected to remote controlled outlets which my wife will operate. As a very biased person I will be excluded from the experiment. It never comes trough your mind that non audiophile listeners in an unknown room with unknown music for them cannot consistently predict anything in a coherent manner if they are not in their normal listening conditions with musical files they know really well? Dont you know that the S.G. work really for many at the condition that the acoustic setting of the room and at the condition that the audio system make it able to work? This S.G. effect would have been undetectable in my own room 3 years ago with the same gear.... Dont you know that this change is very real but subtle, affecting the air between notes more than the sound itself? Dont you know that this improvement is less linked to the ears acuity but to the listeners hearing experience and habits? It is easy to read your mind... You simply arrange this to say that " blind test" prove it wrong... You dont even want to subject yourself to the test, the only one competent to do it in your own room system with your own music ? 😁 Your post is a joke my friend.... It is written in the sky that you all will laugh a lot.....Of stupid audiophiles and stupid homeopaths....Before and after the experiment... I will have never post this if you had said that you will itself pass the test.... But eliminating yourself with the bias pretext is very revelatory.... |
Absolutely, without a doubt, the silliest accessory I have ever seen is the Schumann Resonator. Turns out I have two of them. A present intended for my health from a homeopathic relative. In a few weeks My son in law's brother and fiancée are coming up for the weekend, all young people with excellent hearing. My system should be back up by then. The SRs will be hidden and connected to remote controlled outlets which my wife will operate. As a very biased person I will be excluded from the experiment. I these make such a stunning improvement in sound quality it should be a breeze for at least one of four young people to be able to identify the "on" condition consistently. |
Clearthink, you are unnecessarily mean. The truth is all of us are being abused by a few whose sole goal is to make money. Since they have the most they can buy anything they want, politicians, the media, anything and anyone. We are all in the same boat and if we can not get together and stand against these forces then we deserve what we get. Mahgister, the one thing about humans is they are as a group surprisingly predictable. Rarely one of us exceeds expectations like the Rev Martin Luther King. |
It is very tragical and comical to read that some think that they are in the right half of humanity.... The less stupid half, the less gullible one for sure... 😁 Many posts here reflect around this 50 % coming from some"nose" statistic... And those speaking in this way truly think that they are in the less worst of these 2 possible goups....The gullible and the non gullible one... The truth is more drastic..... All of us, except a ridiculous few number under 1 % are gullible, conditioned, to some degree and confuse truth with opinion or dogma ften if not most of the times.... I even include myself in this group.... I only try to be conscious of this fact time to time... 😊 «Truth is not a medecine at all, it is a disease with sure death of the city for result»-A judge against Plato «I order the truth for dinner, and they serve me waste on a plate»-Groucho Marx |
mijostyn OP3,670 posts02-10-2021 7:25am@mahgister, I am not disagreeing with your statements. Based on the current political situation I would estimate that at least 50% of the population is highly suggestible. About 60% on one side of the spectrum, 40% on the other, I will leave it up to individuals to decide which side is which. |
mijostyn@clearthink, Why so defensive? I take no sides. I simply make the observance that there are two groups diametrically opposed" I am not defensive I asked a question which you are unable, unwilling, or incapable of responding to or towards and you have taken a side in this matter of your creation very much! You have said half of your country is suggestible and drank the koolaid you don't need to identify your side to reveal your reasoning that those who disagree with you are suggestible and drank the koolaid it is so obvious. |
@mahgister, I think you have stumbled onto an interesting problem with us humans. When we do not know what is going on we make stuff up. We mythologize. This may have been going on long before H. sapiens cropped up about 200,000 years ago. Zeus was a creative explanation for lightning. There have been millions of myths throughout our time on this planet all firmly taken as gospel in their day. Many had a very difficult death, like the earth is flat. New myths pop up on a daily basis if you care to watch the news.Thanks for you reply.... But reducing myths to only fancy is also a deception about ourself.... Myths are a fundamental expression of the creative imagination, and in this sense they are not "fictions" in the modern acceptation of the word...Imagination has 2 side: passive imagination this is illusion, dreaming, and going out of the reality...But creative and formative imagination is on the opposite side an access to reality and in this sense it is real... Cassirer give the example of a curved line, that is a work of art for the artist, a mathematical conic section or the number line for a geometer, or the appearence of a beautiful feminine body for the lover, or an exact metaphor of the absolute infinite for a mystic, or a direct sign of the divine in the sky or in the sand or the confusion between a serpent and and cable in the dark room of imagination for many of us.... The curve is all that at the same times and way MORE.... Without imagination there is NO perception of reality.... And sometimes what we called myth, the oral transmission through millenia, convey and refer to real fact and phenomenon, interpreted in the past, but not reducible to "fiction" only.... Reality is not an outer "fact" or a set of facts.... This is one of the greatest illusion of modern man... Modern science and modern psychology enlightened us about that.... « What seems to exist, but does not exist by itself, is the real staircase that brings us to truth»-Anonymus Smith «Do you also walk on water?»-Groucho Marx |
@clearthink, Why so defensive? I take no sides. I simply make the observance that there are two groups diametrically opposed. One of the two groups is drinking the Kool-Aid. I leave it up to you to decide which group that is. Our government has been hopelessly corrupt for quite a while. The fact that there are no term limits in congress and no meaningful campaign finance reforms bears witness to this. If I were not so old and entrenched I would move to Canada. At least I would know what I was getting. @mahgister, I think you have stumbled onto an interesting problem with us humans. When we do not know what is going on we make stuff up. We mythologize. This may have been going on long before H. sapiens cropped up about 200,000 years ago. Zeus was a creative explanation for lightning. There have been millions of myths throughout our time on this planet all firmly taken as gospel in their day. Many had a very difficult death, like the earth is flat. New myths pop up on a daily basis if you care to watch the news. |
@mahgister, I am not disagreeing with your statements. Based on the current political situation I would estimate that at least 50% of the population is highly suggestible. But, on what basis are you making these statements, as a matter of experience and opinion or do you have a degree in sociology or psychology?My post was an answer to a friend here : Then this is"anecdotal"....In reality ALL humans are suggestible at children age, and some only "waited" a variable amount of time to be programmed completely or to partially chose their program (scientism,religions, sects, political parties)Humans CANNOT live without answers that are most of the time not the truth at best and half truth at worst... 😁 Truth ask for a work about OURSELF....Not only about nature or about number theory....Apparently experiments from the first part of the last century have shown that some 20% of the population are highly suggestible.This is an underestimation... Truth is like freedom, nobody wanted it, save few great human spirits...It is a too heavy load on the back of each of us.... But, on what basis are you making these statements, as a matter of experience and opinion or do you have a degree in sociology or psychology?Like in audio i did not have any competence at all in anything... My life job was counselling of students of all fields about reading in philosophy, linguistics, science, mathematics,poetry, psychology, even astrology and other studies😁... The only think i learned to was chosing my books......These books were so interesting that it was not necessary to like reading to read them.... I was very good to move people to read books they dont like... For example i instructed mathematicians to read some specific poet for their specific character , and to poets to read about natural phenomena or number theory....😊I was very good to seeds enthusiasm and to make synthesis.... But i am totally incompetent....Like i am incompetent in audio, but i can learn by myself .... All i say, all i can say, is my opinion.... Social Darwinism is a travesty, the evolution of a species is not.Evolution is the central feature of biology for the last 2 centuries....But Evolution is not reducible to Darwin concepts, and is a way more complex concept than imagined by most....Proponent of intelligent design for example has mark some good points.... This article is an introduction to the Goethean concepts....They are clear but very, very deep....Dont be fooled by the simplicity of the description at first sight....One of the best books about Goethe vision in English had be written by a physicist who studied and worked with David Bohm, Henry Bortoft.... https://www.natureinstitute.org/article/craig-holdrege/goethe-and-the-evolution-of-science Goethe is not understood easily..... He was the " holder of the largest private collection of minerals of his time in Europe—with almost 18,000 specimens" and many thousands plants specimens.....Dont think a minute that Goethe was a lazy poet.... It is very easy to miss his ideas even today ....They are too deep to be understood on the spot....Bortoft explain very well why and how... It take him 20 years to do so.... Then dont execute Goethe ideas with "scientism" in few minutes....It is like for audio phenomena , there is more than meet the eyes of anyone.... 😊😊 My best to you..... |
mijostyn"Based on the current political situation I would estimate that at least 50% of the population is highly suggestible. But, on what basis are you making these statements, as a matter of experience and opinion or do you have a degree in sociology or psychology? So you are saying the 50% of the population who disagrees with your political choice are "highly suggestible" but that you have somehow avoided falling "victim" to this suggestibility??? |
