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A friend of his weighed in earlier in the thread and said that he was not vaccinated.
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This escalated quickly. I see we have our resident minister of pseudo-science and misinformation @yuviarora on the scene finally. And seriously bitchute, please? |
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18500410/ This study was undertaken to evaluate whether the surgeons’ oxygen saturation of hemoglobin was affected by the surgical mask or not during major operations
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32232837/ Headaches Associated to masking Most healthcare workers develop de novo PPE-associated headaches or exacerbation of their pre-existing headache disorders.
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DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) – Doctors at Baylor Scott & White Hospital in Dallas say wearing a face mask while exercising has a significant impact on the body. That’s the result of a six-month study on the physiological effects of wearing a mask while working out during the COVID-19 pandemic. If you have wondered whether wearing a mask at the gym or running on a treadmill at home affects your performance, the answer, according to this Baylor research, is yes. Thirty-one people took part in the study. Researchers recorded vital signs and other data while participants ran on treadmills with and without cloth face coverings. The study found less oxygen in the blood and an increased heart rate among those wearing masks. It resulted in reduced exercised capacity by 29% and a 14% reduction in the time it took to reach exhaustion. The researches say the study did not find exercising with a face mask was dangerous. Researchers say the data can be useful to anyone from high level athletes to average people with active lifestyles. |
Do, Don’t, I don’t give a CRAP. Wear a mask. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have your dentest come in stinking of Rye, a smelly old Tshirt and 1 inch fingernails painted black with stars on them.. He’s ready to work on YOUR mouth.. Usually folks that don’t want to be told what to do, usually need to be told what to do. USUALLY. Then there are those you just need to put behind a fence. They are bound and determined to have their way at YOUR expence. 7.9 billion people on the planet and it only takes a few to get the whole world sick. Maybe not SARs but the same mentality exist.. Superman DIED. You know what from? An infection and the LACK of propper health care. The real issue is he hopped on the horse of his own accord and broke his neck falling off.. The difference is his ailment didn’t have the potental to kill the neighbors.. Yea he was a hero!! That fell off a horse. Christopher Reeves, what a tragety that was completly avoidable.. I use to ride a LOT working on the Aratta Ranches as a kid.. You have to be careful on a horse, for the horses sake more so than the ryder..My Dad would loan me and my brother out during calving season, nut cuttin’ and rings in a pissed off bulls nose.. Regards |
@cd318 I tried. That makles 7 people that I personally know that have been seriously injured by it. One of them is my good friend that was forced to take it by his work, and has also had severe symptoms shortly after his 2nd jab. Two autoimmune conditions flared up, one that is newly diagnosed, and another that he hasn’t has since he was a child. Last time I talked to him on the phone, he was crying... he knew all the stuff I am posting here, but he still took his chances with the jab.
Yeah, at this point...I can’t change anyone’s mind, this has all become very political. Red/Blue...Left/Right. And the implications of the Spike protein study are insane. Agressive incurable Cancer.... and for all intended purposes...AIDS.
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@yuviarora , Citing studies of atheltes affected by wearing a mask while doing their thiing has just what to do with fighting the spread of Covid? As for Drs wearing masks, like the ones who’ve already posted here said, they’ve been doing it since the early 1860s. Get a life. Stop with the BS. Stick to audio. All the best, Nonoise |
@nonoise you said masks don't affect oxygen levels. I posted 4 published studies saying otherwise, I can post 10 more. Do you have any shame?
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https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/8/4344
Many countries introduced the requirement to wear masks in public spaces for containing SARS-CoV-2 making it commonplace in 2020. Up until now, there has been no comprehensive investigation as to the adverse health effects masks can cause. The aim was to find, test, evaluate and compile scientifically proven related side effects of wearing masks. For a quantitative evaluation, 44 mostly experimental studies were referenced, and for a substantive evaluation, 65 publications were found. The literature revealed relevant adverse effects of masks in numerous disciplines. In this paper, we refer to the psychological and physical deterioration as well as multiple symptoms described because of their consistent, recurrent and uniform presentation from different disciplines as a Mask-Induced Exhaustion Syndrome (MIES). We objectified evaluation evidenced changes in respiratory physiology of mask wearers with significant correlation of O2 drop and fatigue (p < 0.05), a clustered co-occurrence of respiratory impairment and O2 drop (67%), N95 mask and CO2 rise (82%), N95 mask and O2 drop (72%), N95 mask and headache (60%), respiratory impairment and temperature rise (88%), but also temperature rise and moisture (100%) under the masks. Extended mask-wearing by the general population could lead to relevant effects and consequences in many medical fields
Another One. @nonoise |
@nonoise Again...Do you have no sense of Decency? Have you no Shame? |
@yuviarora , what's it like being over the edge? I hope I never find out. Point out just where I said masks don't affect oxygen levels. You're grasping at straws and looking rather foolish for it.
All the best, Nonoise |
Congratulations guys! Everyone is now convinced to your way of thinking. It's been a complete success and the argument hasn't been futile. Well done all! Now that we all have changed our positions and now agree could you please discuss politics? Hop on to religion when you're done with that. Much appreciated. |
Classifying people in "informed" and "misinformed" in this political health/economical/political world wide crisis make no sense...Save for bit and pieces of verifiable indiscutable facts but they are the exception... There exist LEVELS of values and informations... No science can replace our free decisions making, nor the values scale we will use to act... Science has nothing to do with consensus , science is DIVIDED in DEBATES which are supposed to be rational BUT cannot ever erase some basic irrationality anyway...BUT science own an history with lessons to teach: in a pandemy for example .... All human activity are based on "values"... Science is a process not a common consensus...Then there is no way science can decide about our political action... But science can dictate what history teach us about what to do in a pandemic...With a coronavirus... Then it is the political will whom will decide what to do.... Facts demonstrate to anyone with a brain that the US takes all head on ass and all ass on head in his pandemic measures...proof: the best healthcare system in the world with the most casualties and deaths...WHY? We wait for a vaccination to come was crying Trump claiming now that he was the creator of the vaxx...... Science said so apparently they said...
I got a news for those who speak like that: Corporate technological development has NOTHING to do with science but with money... And science IS not technology...And science cannot govern us nor all our actions... They are and must be FREE choices...with no censorship at all... There is no "informed" and "misinformed" people here, the first with a white shirt and the others with a black shirt... We are not in a comic book here.... WE ARE ALL AT THE SAME TIME INFORMED AND MISINFORMED... NO EXCEPTION..... Then throw off dogmas and think....Together not against one another...
A note: this is not the time for a political debate bettween mask or anti mask...Like in TRump time |
@yuviarora That’s what’s called humor, but in your case, a prescient observation on my part. The amount of oxygen you need to live on is not hampered by wearing a mask. See here, here, here, here, here, and just about any place a sane person would look. Also, stop "notifying" me or I’ll have to block you. Just post your nonsense and at sometime I’ll get around to it. You’re making me feel like I’m a higher form of authority that you have to confront to validate yourself. You’re not that pitiful, are you? All the best, Nonoise |
@isochronism I still dont understand from whom the wealth is supposedly transferred and to whom?
@teo_audio I wasnt trying to make you mad, I was trying to ask a general question about who should serve on the board of a pharma company? All the implications that Fauci or Gottlieb or whomever is corrupt, I would just like to know who you might appoint who could add value through their board service. Why is everyone so angry? Im amused by it actually. Take the shot, dont take the shot...no sweat.
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@nonoise Stop replying to my posts then. You are intelectually dishonest, and a bad faith actor......and you are a complete waste of my time. |
Well said Falconcrest! I was not going to reply further but the ridiculous blabber being spewed by peabrains like @yuviarora is agitating this Infectious disease physician I have been running covid-19 treatment services at the hospital where we are at 100% capacity, flooded with non-covid patients from the back log/pent up demand due to COVID and now becaues of resurging pandemic, we have approximately 10-15% additional patients, 90% of these new COIVD are unvaccinated The unvaccinated are prolonging the pandemic in the high socioeconomic countries. That is a fact. Masks greatly reduce transmission and save lifes. Nobody is harmed by wearing a mask. I too would like to go in person to Audiophile shows but there in deed seems to be a significant number of fools in this crowd that will make it less safe. These same people will eventually get COVID and will consume scarce costly resources, an outcome that can be avoided > 95% of the time with vaccination. there are countries (e.g., Singapore) that either are or plan to charge unvaccinated patients for the medical costs if they end up needing hospitalization. I think that is a great idea and perhaps will persuade people to be vaccinated. |
If I had any doubt of an alternate universe, after reading the posts of isochronism and a few others, I have no doubt now. Maybe some are just drifting through the vail from the alternate land of BITCHUTE and Q, where alternative facts and wild conspiracy theories rule and science, facts, logic and proof is regarded as a threat to liberty....Jim |
I am flabbergasted by the way people adopt a position, a political stance, and call that science... Nothing in the last 2 years in America was guided by what the history of medecine advice us to do in a pandemy with an airborne mutating virus... We did the opposite...( we stop all activities with healthy people, we confine all people, the opposite of common medical stance; Confine only the people who are sick, vaxx the old or those immune compromised, and give cheap working drug and vitamin to the healthy or the young) we censored ANY treatment save the worst : remdesivir... WHY ? Remind yourself of Fauci advice: You are sick, go on to your bed , THERE IS NO DRUG THAT WILL HELP YOU, wait and if it is too much and you cannot inspire air come in and we will give you remdesivir, and plug you on a machine...We will sell you a vaxx soon, wait it arrive very soon... By the way hydroxychloroquine does not work said Fauci... Remember that ? The horse paste does not work either... Remember that? If you want to understand what was working under all this events for the last 2 years... Take a shortcut read about american health institutions and their link with corporate america...
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Master M, where on Earth did you get your information about casualities in the US being the highes in the world. You must mean WHO reports at least a simi-truthfull body count. Does anyone think where the SARS scare came from had more or less of a body count than the US? Their people are governmental science projects on an ongoing basis. Do people really think small vacation resort countries, are going to report the truth about sicknesses.. HELL NO. It reminds me of people firing weapons in the air but NOT taking responsibillity for where they land.. Out of sight out of mind.. It's still pretty simple, wash your friggen hands and wear a mask. FU%K the O2 count, workout LESS, but wear a mask in closed environment and close quarters.. Inside or out.. WASH you dirty hand.. I haven't been sick from colds, flu, repiratory infection or ANY communicable disease in 15 years.. I flew nonstop in cramped airplains and never got respiratory cooties.. Good hygiene BETWEEN myself and others.. I DON'T swap spit. Just with the dog...:-) Regards |
@nonoise +1 on everything..... |
bedside manner? wow in addition to being an expert in virology, immunology, and public health, now you are an expert in critiqure of medical profession. I can rebut the misinformers with the language that pleases me. I don't have a physician patient relationship with you. you behave like a stuobborn ass which ordinarily could be tolerated. but in this case your behaviors negatively affect the lives of others. you have no business/right to make the misinformed statements that negatively impact public health. people like you are dragging this pandemic out. I am sick of people like you and that is sad as I have enjoed saving lives for 30+ years. get a grip.
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The third-leading cause of death in US most doctors don’t want you to know about
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Facts are sad. I haven’t had a flu, or even a cough in 15 years.... I eat organic whole foods, zero sugar, take mineral supplements, eat a ton of veggies, and also supplement with natural probiotics. I exercise 2 hours a day, (lifting and cardio), get plenty of sun. Haven’t worn a mask since the start of this madness, been all over the place, haven’t washed my hands like a neurotic..... and most importantly, I stay as far away from these Doctors as humanely possible. That 3rd leading cause of death is probably the 1st leading cause of death in 2021.
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Hand sanitizers have become trusted tools to keep people safe and healthy in the fight against the COVID-19 pandemic — but now, an independent study suggests some products may be having the opposite effect. Valisure, an independent pharmacy and lab that tests drug products for quality, says it tested 260 products and found elevated levels of benzene in more than 20 of them. Benzene is a known human carcinogen, and exposure to it is known to cause blood disorders, including leukemia. |
@hms64 Seriously thank you for all of your efforts I understand how tough it's been for those in the healthcare industry.
@isochronism why are "so many healthcare professionals coming out with opinions the opposite of hms64? Because the right wing outrage machine can be very profitable once you tap into it. |
Yuvi, you are fortunate to have excellent health and you are to be commended that you take appropriate measures to maximize your chances for that to continue. So you dont use hand sanitizer. cool....i dont unless its a rare circumstance. You eat well and exercise. Terrific, i too subscribe to staying active...long hikes, various outdoor activities. i guess that may be where we respectfully take different roads. Just because we have been healthy in the past is no guarantee we will going forward. Reasonable checkup intervals, taking the advice of your doctor and NOT correlating good fortune regarding our health with immunity from future issues. Its the equivalent of not wearing a seat belt because we havent suffered any injuries while driving.
personally, Im cool with adults making decisions. Medical professionals are tired though both physically as well as tired of the chatter from the left field bleachers. I would be too. If people dont believe in the efficacy of of the health care system, they can opt out. They just shounldnt be hypocrites. Dont want a shot, dont. Dont like medical science, commit to never jam up the system if not taking their advice results in a bad outcome. |
So much dangerous rhetoric here. Maybe it's the emissions from Russian and Chinese tubes. Never discount the power of words. Children's Crusade. Jonestown. Innocents gone to an early demise by those with all the answers. How hard is it to wear a mask? How hard is it to talk with your doctor? Your enraged sense of some perceived loss of liberty, and acceptance of some grand conspiracy endangers the lives of my family. It is an ethically repugnant act of selfishness. Period. |
@hms64 you really don’t wanna hear what I think of your entire profession, especially after these last two years. The word Remdesivir comes to mind, and I think there will be a tribunal at the end of all of this, at least if there is any justice left in this world. I don’t think you guys realize how lasting this damage to your profession and reputations will be. I was off the Doctor Bandwagon well before this pandemic started, as I have had first hand experience of your "healthcare". I was diagnosed with two Autoimmune conditions in my late teens, and have since successfully cured both through dietary and lifestyle changes, something my Doctors told me was impossible. As far as I am concerned the Lot of you are Big Pharma Pill pushers, and you wouldn’t know Health if you sat on your face and farted.
Quick Question.....Do you remember anything about Nutrition from the 1 class you took in the 12 years of your medical training? when was the last time Fauci came on TV and told people to get off their asses, exercise, change their diet, cut out sugar, get some Sun, improve their immune system?
And as a statement of Record....I will happily sign away whatever services you think I need at these Hospitals to preserve all my Rights as a free Human being. . Funny you guys out here acting all altruistic.....it’s not like you get paid for all this work or anything.
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isochronic, you are a legend in your own mind and have lost touch with reality, seemingly a long time ago. Go ahead and enjoy waiting for your rapture.
Is that demonic enough for ya? All the best, Nonoise
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Quick Question.....Do you remember anything about Nutrition from the 1 class you took in the 12 years of your medical training? when was the last time Fauci came on TV and told people to get off their asses, exercise, change their diet, cut out sugar, get some Sun, improve their immune system? Death foods and fully Vaxed with 3 boosters all go together.
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