Update From Ron New Day Record Covid 19 Battle

@coltrane1: 

"Fact: if you take the vaccine you have a chance not to die from covid 19. 
 

If you choose not to take the vaccine because of right wing politics, religious beliefs, poor logic, etc, and infect your entire family with covid, you rolled the dice and lost. Decisions. 

What I don't get is these people make a decision that effects everyone they come in contact with. I don't dare to go to the store without wearing a 3M N95 mask. And I understand the store's policy of requiring everyone to wear a mask or don't enter. 
 

Anti vaxxer's are a threat to society. Keep it real and speak the truth about it."

 

Yes, indeed. 

Whatever happened to acting for the greater good ?  ?  ? 

 

 

mahgister, Hear Hear ⚜️

If you think the virus is real and transmissible ...

 

Do your own research for: has ANY virus EVER been isolated so that a vaccine can be developed

 

Next research who developed the PCR test and what does he have to say about it

 

Now search alternative search engines than Google, Yahoo, Bing for; vax injuries (including athletes), deaths or go to Bitchute and Rumble (then ask why none of the real 411 is available on them)

 

Finally go to telegram and type in the upper left search bar Official CHANNEL Quantum Truths JCKay, then scroll through and see how many people in countries are marching against their governments oppression and forced vaxes this very day

 

then ask yourself Why aren't these being reported 24/7 on MSM

 

hth

Anti Vaxxers are not threat to society as long as they wear their mask.Vaccinated can still be in trouble if they don’t wear mask , and inhale loads of virus.So vaccinated or not mask is the key to avoid the threat to society.

I think my advice to read Karl Friston or think about what is a "sound" will not be listened to...

My quizz test is what is the relation between Friston hypothesis of the free energy variational principle and the relation to our understanding of what a sound and hearing are ...

This will change the tune here for the best....And will eliminate all simpletons from all sides of the vaxx war... And we will go back to audio....

no takers?

If not i quit to read Friston again...

I will wait for any questions though....

 

By the way for me being an audiophile is not about upgrading with a new amplifier but to understand what is a sound what is music and what are their link through acoustic and my own "seeing" of sounds and music...

By the way i created a thread about that but it seems nobody is interested about something which is not plain stupid propaganda from two warring sides...

You see before I will believe what scientist is saying about this vaccines, I have to really see some evidence that indeed he or she is right.This last  days there is so much deception going on, be carefu who you believe, can’t decide on this because of politics...Decide base on the evidence that’s out there.

tweak1, Good reference you offer. Smart phones are in almost everyone's pocket. Some don't WANT to know. You can only LEAD a horse to water ...

Good back to audio then🙏

then ask yourself Why aren't these being reported 24/7 on MSM

Because it's BS. Haven't you been paying attention to the physicians who've been posting here? So many fools, so little time. 

All the best,

Nonoise

 

@jayctoy 

Vaccines are biological agents that elicit an immune response to a specific antigen derived from an infectious disease-causing pathogen. That's it. The agreed definition for nigh on 200 years. Other properties of any specific vaccine are irrelevant with respect to whether it's a vaccine or not.

The spike protein can cross into the bloodstream, although most appears to end up in the lymph system. There are Rat studies that show the vaccine produced S1 protein crosses the blood brain barrier, but follow-on studies In Vitro using cultured endothelial human cells showed it did not. So it may, it may not, we can't experiment on a bunch of humans to find out. There is significant data showing that SARS-CoV-2 can cause brain inflammation, and it's been hypothesized that the spike protein may be involved, but I have not seen definitive data on that. Not saying there's none out there.

The lipid 'bubble' encapsulating the mRNA is highly unstable - hence the onerous storage requirements - and once liberated, the mRNA is quite unstable as well. So spike protein not phagocytized by lmphocytes triggered by it, is unlikely to have much residence time in the body anyway.  My hunch - and it is not based on reviewed data - is that folks that would have a massive response to the vaccine (such as you and other seem to fear) would be those likeliest to die from a COVID infection. Making the vaccine an even better risk.

But no drug or vaccine is without some risk, and some side effects. It's a risk/benefit calculation. The selfish consider only themselve in that calc, people that aren't, consider their fellow citizens as well.

This post quoted above is erroneous if we think about this concept: " The dynamical sequences of mutating viruses evolutive pressure" between different human populations interactions in the course of a pandemic and the necessity to protect the old people and the young people with vaccinations or drugs, each corresponding to their specific immune status......

It is very important to maintain an unvaxx part of the population ,the very young, to act as a protective basin to control the UNILATERAL uprise domination by a swift mutating new kind of variant over the other main strain...

It is less simplistic you see than forced massive vaxx simplistic solution in simplistic preaching minds...

To learn more:

My reference are from Geert Vanden Bossche

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

He know a thing or 2 about that, if you dare to read his curriculum...And he is not paid by ANY corporations...

Then putting the load of culpabilitay on unvaxx people is plain IGNORANCE...It is political propaganda masquerading as science and wisefulness...

 

But no drug or vaccine is without some risk, and some side effects. It’s a risk/benefit calculation.

 

 

But This is right for sure..

But no drug or vaccine is without some risk, and some side effects. It’s a risk/benefit calculation.

@tweak1 

"If you think the virus is real and transmissible ...

Do your own research for: has ANY virus EVER been isolated so that a vaccine can be developed"

Not to disappoint, but I don't need to research. The answer is YES - three species of human poliovirus were isolated and used for production the Salk inactivated virus vaccine that eradicated Polio from the US, and almost eradicated it world wide.  Then of course, the Vaccina virus, same family (Orthopoxviruses) as the Variola virus that caused - past tense note - Smallpox. That vaccine eradicated Smallpox worldwide. I was part of the Acambis smallpox vaccine project for the US government after the 9/11 attack with subsequent smallpox scare.

Just to name the most obvious and high profile cases.  You do yourself no credibility favors when you pose such ludicrously obvious questions as though there's some apochyphal and malign informational trove known only to some awakened few.

As for the rest...well, can't say it more accurately than Nonoise did. BS, on a stick.

Negating the disease and the virus existence is really foolish and pure ignorance..

Another political rant of simplistic mind.....

between this and imposing in a silly move by force mass vaccinations, we dance on a tight rope between 2 complete fools crowds of sheeps..

i feel alone at the bottom of the world...

i guess i must phone the only dude at the peak of the world right now ... 😁😁😁😁😊😊😊😊

it is a joke i hate phone ... I own only the most primitive species of phone possible and without sophisticated computer screen in it to keep with me...

 

 

 

« The problem seating at the top is everyone listen to you and by habit you gradually  dont listen to anyone»-Anonymus Smith

@mahgister 

I assume you're referring to "Why do Covid-19 mass vaccination campaigns promote dominance of selective immune escape variants?"?

This is a *theory* propounded by some, rejected by most IME. He proposes a mechanism for selective pressure, without evidence of such adaptation taking place an a human population. This also presupposes that the "natural" immunological response would not be subject to the same selective pressures, which is unlikely to be true at all.  His theory is an absolute fact when dealing with therapeutic agents (such as antibiotics, and we have all seen) but that model does not hold if the "natural" response functionally indistinguishable from the vaccine mediated response. In fact, one and postulate that drastically increase number of passages of the virus itself, through and infected patient, and the amount of time that person is infective, would place greater selective pressures in that more of the viral types resistant to the immune response would be generated and released. Thus the assumed amplification may work the opposite of his theory.

The eradication of polio and smallpox due to massive vaccination programs provide data directly controverting his restistance amplification theory. I choose to rely on the empirical data.

Time will tell

Pardon the typos...

@mahgister

I assume you’re referring to "Why do Covid-19 mass vaccination campaigns promote dominance of selective immune escape variants?"?

This is a *theory* propounded by some, rejected by most IME. He proposes a mechanism for selective pressure, without evidence of such adaptation taking place an a human population. This also presupposes that the "natural" immunological response would not be subject to the same selective pressures, which is unlikely to be true at all. His theory is an absolute fact when dealing with therapeutic agents (such as antibiotics, and we have all seen) but that model does not hold if the "natural" response functionally indistinguishable from the vaccine mediated response. In fact, one and postulate that drastically increase number of passages of the virus itself, through and infected patient, and the amount of time that person is infective, would place greater selective pressures in that more of the viral types resistant to the immune response would be generated and released. Thus the assumed amplification may work the opposite of his theory.

The eradication of polio and smallpox due to massive vaccination programs provide data directly controverting his restistance amplification theory. I choose to rely on the empirical data.

 

 

thanks for your answer...

your post reveal a good understanding in this matter and certainly better than mine...i am not a scientist..

BUT i can study and think,

and you forgot saying what you say,

that the evolutive pressure created by a rapidly mutating coronavirus is NOT the same as polio and NOT as smallpox , which are all slow mutating viruses which we can eradicate in one vaccination campaign WiTHOUT booster...There is no valid UNIVERSAL efficient vaccination for the flu nor for a coronavirus for this reason : mutation rates and high rate airborne contamination...

Then your objection to vanDen Bossche is void...

And remember that we have multidrug protocol cheap treatment that work at less risk than vaccinations for some designed group of the population..

After all, the basic fact of this virus and disease is the way it is focussed in targetting old and immunely compromise people..Not the young population at all...Save if we teach to the population of virus how to mutate to do so by an inappropriate vaccination on a the wrong group on a massive scale...

Then mass forced vaccination, without taking the difference between old and young people in consideration, in relation to other treatment more appropriate in some case, is probably the medical error of the century motivated by greed and ignorance....

If vanden Bossche was there ALONE, i will listen to your argument, but the problem is that he is not alone at all...Then i chose the position that seems rational to me and i am not alone...

 

 

Dunning-Krueger is strong in you @mahgister 

Dunning-Krueger is strong in you @mahgister

 

Insulting is more evident sign of stupidity than exhibiting the Dunning-Krueger syndrome...

You know why ?

Any free thinker move the boundary of sheep thinking at the risk to be in error yes but also with a great probability in some case to be right...

But being wrong is very different than being stupid...

Keep your hat, i will keep my Dunning--Krueger place with politeness with those who are able to speak their mind and CORRECT ME...

i dont think it will be you...

 

«The only idiot i keep near me is myself in the morning mirror»-Groucho Marx 🤓

I highly recommend all the skeptics, conspiracy theorists, citizen scientists, and mystical free thinkers doing their own research listen to the  podcast "This Week in Virology". It is hosted by Vincent Racaniello, a Columbia University virologist. His panel typically includes three or four other academic virologists as well as an expert clinician, Daniel Griffin. They regularly discuss and evaluate the quality of new research on SARS-Cov-2, Covid, and its treatment. Of course, if you believe viruses don't exist, never mind.

Thanks mcondon very much, it seems very interesting...His discussion with Lex Fridman seems promising...

my best to you....

Here are two of what look like many videos that I believe were meant for high school consumption, or at least on that level which explain some things that seem to be very difficult for some here to get their heads around:

 

and

Hope that helps some and

All the best,

Nonoise

Thanks for the link indeed....

OMG! 

I've already alerted you tools that Bitchute is a UK based site for white supremacist, Nazis, anti-Semites and terrorists who have the need to reach out and touch each other. Why you'd reference such a vile cesspool as that speaks volumes. Just who are we conversing with here on A'gon?

All the best,

Nonoise

OMG!

I’ve already alerted you tools that Bitchute is a UK based site for white supremacist, Nazis, anti-Semites and terrorists who have the need to reach out and touch each other. Why you’d reference such a vile cesspool as that speaks volumes. Just who are we conversing with here on A’gon?

All the best,

Nonoise

 

 

Do you think that most people are not able to separate wheat and chaff ? they like children must be protected against "bad media" ?

We are not white supremacist or right wing fanatic or anti semites because we listen a video in bitchute sorry...

 

A medium so huge contains some interesting video and many stupid one innumerable one , easy to spot also...like other places...

And where do you think migrated some ratrional voices CENSORED totally from youtube and any official medium?

Do you think that an interview by "Epoch times" which is a politically very oriented group must be banned? or we must keep and pass the watchworld and command to all to quit listening to it ?

Then like usual, TAGGING people or media with left and right tags is not the more elevated strategy for a sound mind...

I dont like watchword....I will listen or not to which medium communicate time to times something valuable even if it is Tucker Carlson or Bernie Sanders...

I hate political polarization left/right, it is the way US lost his democracy and his mind....

I hate Biden blind political stance about the world  crisis  with the same hate i resent against Trumpism... 

left/right has no meaning at all in our times, save to select the tv show recommended by the opposing watchwords of these two without brain political factions...

 

 

Bitchute allows videos featuring medical experts and healthcare workers and whistleblowers that have been censored elsewhere. These people are risking their jobs and careers to speak out. nonoise freaks-out whenever the "B" word is mentioned. 😂

The only reason Bitchute exists is for dangerous and deadly points of view that were banned on YouTube. You know, the kind of crap that doesn't past muster when properly and critically examined. If it's BS you want, then by all means go there but don't ever try to pass it off as some innocuous site that just happens to have dangerous filth on it. You're out of your god damned mind if you think so.

This is not as simplistic as you'd like anyone to believe (right and left tags). Please stop with the BS. Elevated minds would never post there, let alone read anything there. Bragging about how "free" the site is by it's owners is just cover for them to lure the simple minded and the weak, looking for a place to share and cultivate their hate.

All the best,

Nonoise

nonoise freaks-out whenever the "B" word is mentioned. 😂

Nazi says what? 😀

Yes mother i promise to ban bitchute...

I feel less hate already...Thanks

 

 

 

My God! what a paternalistic advice to give to a man of 70 years old and other like me here...

If hate is already in me your watchword is useless, it is too late... If hate is not in me your watchword is useless either, i will not begin to hate someone because someone give me the right watchword for hating...

Keep your watchword for children or for your political party members...

 

Comical post ,sorry nonoise, but i could not resist....

 

☺😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

 

But an advice to you: quit calling people nazi...

It is not a good idea in an audio thread between fellows member who spoke all weeks with one another...You remind me of the "other" party calling names in the last years...

If hate is already in me your watchword is useless, it is too late

Not so much hate as niavete and gullibility.

All the best,

Nonoise

Are you immune to naievete and gullability innately or by virtue of an elective political superior party ?

What right have you to put yourself above me on this matter and above all the others who dont speak the same "lingua franca" ?

i am naive and gullible for sure... Any open mind is at risk...And my mind is open...

But i dont need a watchword to be conscious of my own thinking consequences..

At least i restraint myself to call unknown people "nazi"...And i dont speak to people like if they were children ...

I know you are intelligent by the way and very conscious...

Then i apologize to you but sometimes we must speak our mind frankly...

nonoise: "If its BS you want then by all means go there". I go here for BS, your's. 😄

A  single-minded focus upon "alternative facts" and conspiracy theories may indicate the presence of a desperate psychogical need to believe that one alone is "right" and that everyone else is "wrong". 

In this scenario, the more outlandish the divergence from reality, the greater the psychological payoff. 

A psyche that requires such means of vindication is hardly "free" -- on the contrary, it is pinned beneath the metaphorical thumb of an overriding and unrelenting denial of reality. 

 

 

I totally concur with your post...

The sure sign that people are under a spell is their "watchword" communication and dividing propaganda in two opposite groups...

And living in "reality" anyway is a hard thing very few people want to...

When we encounter reality we lost our common place political stances, and filters... And it is hard to lost his certitudes....

Sometimes people make discoveries but it is always at the price of leaving the "common accepted reality"...

Sometimes the price paid is the suffering of watching others to make bad choice..

Anyway living in reality is not a free lunch at all....

What i just said appear untrue only to those who called reality the sleepwalk in the ball park they call their world and baptized "reality"...

"Reality" with a big "R" will be a common conquest by all humanity....For the moment we are all divided in virtual realities that appear real to us...And we accused others to be out of reality...left or right, Vaxx or not....

 

«Reality is not only the ground where we walk but the ceiling out of which we can fly»- Anonymus Smith

«What if we are flies stuck under a ceiling? »-Groucho Marx 🤓

Many minds are susceptible to naivete and gullibility at times which makes sites like Bitchute extremely dangerous.

Many minds are susceptible to naivete and gullibility at times which makes sites like Bitchute extremely dangerous.

 

 

Yes we must ban the site definitively to protect the "toddler" in each of us...

Are you serious?

And we must also modify the "english language" to accomadate people to realitty and program then  paternally for trheor own good   out of their sleep perhaps? After that there will be no need of  banishing all free speech.....

Ahhhhhhh.... This is desesperate sometimes....

 

 

I will say to you what is EXACTLY dangerous...It is the only point i am ok with Trumpist motto...The official media are totally controlled and VOID of any news whatsoever....

NONE...

Why do you think democracy is dead in America and in Canada it is going  on with this crisis ...

No sane debate is possible or very hard to maintain...Censorship is a disease incompatible with democracy...

Then all cranks of whatever orientations for sure go where an uncensored  "content" exist, any content, even the worst...Censorship is the way to put them all in the same basket the worst and the good...And it is the best way to extinbguish sane debating and the cleaning of the hating  scum....

Do you catch?

"Reality" with a big "R" will be a common conquest by all humanity....For the moment we are all divided in virtual realities that appear real to us"

 

Sad but true. I'm curious, mahgister:  how do you envision this "conquest"  occuring?  What will it take??? 

 

It's a hall of mirrors, where more often than not, what  "appears most real" are  our own projections... 

A hall of mirrors has traditionally been known as a "fun house" so the question I'd pose is:  are we having fun yet? 

Sad but true. I’m curious, mahgister: how do you envision this "conquest" occuring? What will it take???

 

 

Alas! I am not a seer...

But i think being optimist, that all these "end of the world" crisis with many aspects in all fields of life is good for the long term...

We must transform ourself ALL TOGETHER NOW...

Never in the past history a so much greater call has been given to all humanity at the same times ...

Save in the Atlantis period if you read myth and stories...i dont suppose here that Atlantis has ever exist, i just underline the fact that from Atlantis to this day this era where we live is unique ... Truly....

The choices are between the HIVE mind  and the technological transhumanism cult and power linked to it  or between a new way for humankind to develop our inner INDIVIDUAL  ability in relation to all living creatures..

I am optimist because i already see the seeds of the transformation of mankind perspective on reality...

For example i just discover for myself reading many scientists, that we dont know what "sound" is really... In spite of our extraordinary sound technology...And because of our technology which hide the other side of the sound story...

Discovering that is one of the great personal discovery in my life for me...I dont listen ANYMORE the way i listened music or sound just 1 year ago...i tried to make this interesting in my thread "viewing sound and music"

And just around the next corner i discovered this week a new perspective about what is a living system with the work of Karl Friston... It take me 5 minutes to know that i was reading a genius....This research confirm all my past studies with many other discoverers about the DEEP GROUNDING UNITY  of living organism and their environment... We humans and the Earth are ONE....No technology will ever erase or rewrote this UNITY... This is the good news...

Robots are already obsolete... They will be ONLY tools not the next master...If we dont irreversibly modify our own past history  like the sorcerer apprentice to accomodate A.I. in our body... This is a big caveat...

The real intelligence is not A. I. it is all around us in trees and bees and dolphins elephants but we are too stupid to understand them speak..

My other discovery is the mammoth book of 1300 pages about mammals of Wolfgang Schad..

This book is miraculous... If you read it you will discover even if you are a zoologist that you have never SEE a mammal morphology BEFORE...Seeing something  like a lion call for much more than naming it because we recognize the form... Any animal form is a BOOK to read... After the great Goethe Schad train us to read...A miraculous book i just paid 120 buck... 😁😊

And this make me optimist...

thanks for you kind interest...

My best to you...

Bitchute does not censor (not show) the number of viewer's dislikes of videos like YouTube now does. 🤔

Apparently so.

All the best,

Nonoise

IQ is really overrated...

Ask anybody with a truly high one...

From Socrates and Plato to Goethe and to Einstein, what is underrated if we read them is the taste for truth...

Take a test yourself: what do you like for neighbours and friends a great I. Q.only or a man with a less high score but who look for truth...Beware of your choice...

For myself i prefer the two in one when i encounter people but it is easy to discard raw intelligence in favor of the love for truth in all encounter... What is the use of an intelligence at his own service instead of the truth service ?

This is the reason why when i was young i so much loved the mystics of all religions and the mathematicians.. There is no I. Q. in these 2 fields that is not associated also with a more higher love for truth...

i never encounter a stupid mystic by the way... I dont speak about cheap guru here but the real saints... They are the only really intelligent people i ever read with the truly great mathematicians... Not the small fish...

 

 

 

And beware it is tempting to perceive political adversary with a low I.Q.

too much easy....

The only people who value I.Q. more than the "illusory" love for truth, because what is truth after all they say in choir, is the transhumanist cultist...

I am not one... for reason linked to my I.Q. and love for truth... ( i joke here about my I.Q. ) 😁😊

When i was young i really think that my intelligence was high... I lost my belief for a great part when reading true geniuses...

 

 

I forgot to say this: the sign indicating someone look for truth at all cost is HUMILITY...

You cannot fake it...

I know i am not very humble myself... I apologize for being so...

i was very moved by the way mathematician resemble so much to mystic and the reverse also how all true mystic speak a universal language akin to mathemathic...If it would not be so long for a post, i could explain it, because it is related to the use of their mind and reasoning power in the 2 cases being identical...The same "logic" so to speak...

Grothendieck work is an amazing proof of that and Ramanujan and Blaise Pascal and even Descartes or Newton.. Goedel, Kepler, Cantor, and many others...More intelligent they are more contemplative and ego-less they become...

 

 

The tweaks of the world are why we're still dealing with this. I wish they could all go live in Texas or Florida. I'd chip in for a wall.

@isochronism 

 

Way too much intelligence for the sheeple

IQ very rarely trumps wisdom, reason, humility and experience!

My only issue is taking the word of anyone who say's I shouldn't do anything because of the potenntial to corrupt my mind. Maybe I want to be corrupted for one thing or maybe I'll learn what I don't like and make a judgement based on my own personal ideas and opinions. How much of the world practices a religion BECAUSE someone told them about it, or showed them about it..

Master M you got a point..

BUT I have NEVER been one afraid to confront a friggin SS storm trooper. That MF will get a piece of my mind and can kiss my TEXAS A$$. There were no Natzis at the Alamo.. No room for that type of thinkin' around me.. I lost my Uncle Red at the recapture of Sicily from dug in HARD core Natzis. They shot him DEAD he had a CROSS on his helment.

We AIN'T in a prison and we don't need or have to pick a side. Good Lord..

Every part of a persons life needs to be addressed, including the ones you choose to keep on ignoring. :-)

Head in sand, means no hind site. Forest Gumps IQ was 78 MY Hero.. He loved his Moma, Jenny and Forest Jr. He didn't lie, he didn't steal. He tought Elvis "That Move". He really was a hero.. Wisdom that would make a president blush as he pulled down his pants.. How honest is showing LBJ your A$$ after having to go to Vietnam in the first FU#&ING place. 

Just sayin'

Regards

 

I wish I knew what you were saying in regards to this subjecy oldhvymec, but I don't. Love ya' anyway.

Information as it trickels out of my right brain to my left hand..

BTW now you know how I feel..:-) It's not me that writes that crap it's my alter ego. Comes and goes..

Regards

Funny how one persons "truth" is another's "conspiracy". Maybe some of you should look in the mirror. WE the US are masters of manipulation. Where do all of you think the Nazi's learned it? Power cables anyone?