The new Borresen M1's...a new direction?
The new stand mount speaker from Borresen, called the M1’s, look very interesting. They are utilizing a 4.5" mid/bass driver and a ribbon tweeter. The bass response is stated to go down to 40hz, which for a 4.5" driver is impressive.
The technology employed in the speaker is also somewhat novel, yet it also comes at a cost.
That cost is $100K. or in Europe 94K Eu.
Question is, how many other speaker designers will be producing a stand mount two way with a 4.5" bass/mid driver and now contemplating a price point in the $100-$200K range?
Another question, how many of these M1’s would be expected to sell? And to whom?
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One Reviewer gave the Borresen M1’s "Best Of Show" https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2022/05/25/borresen-m1-aavik-and-ansuz-high-end-2022/ More about these Borresen M1's here... Why it cost $100k 🤔 |
On one hand it's neat to see speaker like this push the boundaries. On the other hand, they p*ss me off because we get in to the realm of stunt pricing, and high end audio is becoming ever more driven by "ok, now that the other company has priced their speaker at some extreme price, we'll have to price our stuff like that or it won't be taken as seriously." Some of this stuff is beyond nuts.
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I have heard the M1’s at shows and am always floored by them. Of course there are at times that I wish they went lower. I don’t think the goal of them is to sell as many as they can. I think it’s about them achieving a certain level of performance that only the select few can afford. I could see some top studio professionals or mastering studios pick one up, and a few go to the distributor’s highest profile clients who can afford them with the bat of an eye. If they sell a dozen of them in a year worldwide, they’ll probably consider that a success. Oftentimes speaker manufacturers will create models that are extreme like this. Consider the MBL Extreme for over $330K. And yes, I do know people who have bought those. So there’s a market for them, albeit not accessible to most. |
I have a used pair of Michael's older Raidho D1s that are probably my last pair of speakers and at their list of around $48k they were terribly expensive but totally world-class and with two puny 4.5" mid-woofers they run tightly into the 30s. But Lars is a salesman, first and foremost. Cryo treatment may have an audible difference; let's agree not to put it to a blind test, ever. I sense it's a great way to up the price to astronomically high levels with goofy add-ons. This seems to be a true test of what diminishing returns can actually be, even for a great Borresen product. |
Even the none-cryo version of Borresen Z2 speakers are amazing ! EDITOR CHOICE AWARD.. The Best of the Best https://the-ear.net/review-hardware/borresen-z2-floorstanding-loudspeakers/ Borresen Acoustics is making some of the world's best speakers now...
https://www.enjoythemusic.com/superioraudio/equipment/0720/Borresen_Acoustics_01_Monitor_Review.htm
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@falconquest Field coil drivers? Are you sure that in a smaller stand mount that would be preferable?
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My Antero speakers are very hard to make. No one has a slightest idea what I do to my modded components, cables, and speakers. Simply, the world doesn’t have parts nor elements that I need to make WaveTouch sound. To complete WT sound, I am creating many things no one will believe or understand. It takes lots of money, my time, a effort. Among my works, Antero speakers are hardest to finish (not cabinet, the sound). Every Antero speakers must sound exact copy of current WT sound (or better) and that is not easy to do. I heard $100k B. M1 speakers mated with very expensive cables and equipment. Anyway, all expensive and cheap speakers’ sounds in the world are ear hurting veiled and inducing Tinnitus. Only my Antero speakers are a safe from Tinnitus. I know there are many > $10k speakers and I think my Antero is not lacking any thing to any of them. Everything has a beginning. I have a patent for a WT sound. And there will be a world without Tinnitus one day. Alex/Wavetouch |
The speakers are everywhere such as church, TV & computer speakers, concert hall, PA speakers in the park and buildings, cell/telephone speakers, etc. Their sounds are all un-natural and induce tinnitus. Our discussion is not appropriate in here and this is my last post on this thread. Alex/Wavetouch |
Just replaced Kudos 505s with Borresen Z2 Cryos. My electronics, cabling and accessories are Aavik and Ansuz. Z2 Cryos are really an amazing speaker. Certainly not the M1s but an exceptional speaker for 1/4 of the M1 cost. You should hear some of the other Borresen models either in a demo or even at a show. |
I heard the M1's recently at my local dealer. They ARE fantastic sound wise. Very nice aesthetically as well.
$100K way too much for me, however. I could see $30K though.
Also heard the Z2. Also great sound, maybe not quite to same level as the M1 but value wise possibly better.
Boressen definitely putting out good stuff IMO. |
I work in professional market speakers. I would never ever make such a false claim, especially something health related. Only way your speakers are going to prevent Tinnitus is if they do not play loud.
Here are some things that same reviewer said in another Borresen review:
A noise floor? On speakers? Does this reviewer even know what noise is? For me that makes everything he says questionable.
He means front, and 2-3 feet as many know is not nearly enough to get rid of SBIR
What are those thin panels on the wall supposed to do? They won't work low enough for SBIR, and they are too small even at 2-3 feet to block much of the rear reflections. Is he intentionally not making his room very good?
Is this the current state of professional audio reviews?
There are some very very significant claims for the M1, especially at that price. Lots of claims of amazing sound, but I can find that for almost any product. Their claims all relate to technical proficiency. Low distortion, low resonance, and I think good dispersion is implied. You don't verify that listening in a random room. You do verify that with a measurement system. So where are their measurements? I am very very suspect that they have not provided any. |
nah, I have to admit being impressed by the Raidho D1.2 before the covid lockdown and last year at axpona the bookshelf Borrensen, but after seeing a pair of raidho D5's resell for 10% of their list price at only 4 years old it's clear the target market for these guys is throw away money rich! This is clearly a rich mans club and mere mortals need not apply. |
@steve59 Somehow, I do not think you will be seeing a used pair of M1’s showing up anytime soon. If they did, i seriously doubt they would sell for 10% of retail. Nonetheless, what you say about the club is true, IME. In some ways, this makes it better for the rest of us, because these very same folk can afford to dump great gear at far lower prices. |
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We hear harsh un-natural sounds from cell phones, TVs, churches, concert halls, radios, etc. They all harm our ears always. So, I decide not to mention about Tinnitus because there is no complete cure. WT sound only relaxes listeners’ ears. Not cure. I had constant severe ear ringing before. Since I completed the WT sound my ear ringing is much reduced and doesn’t bother me at all. A’ Junkie (YT id.) recorded both below videos. ***WT video was 9 months ago and WT sound is complete now. Only my WT sound is without veil. All other audio systems sound veiled and un-natural. Alex/Wavetouch |
@sro -- you have a beautiful system! I, too, recently became addicted to Aavik. I have the Aavik U-280 integrated with built-in DAC and the S-280 streamer. These are phenomenal performers. I have gone through a number of tube and SS components but the new line of integrated amps from Aavik is just in another league. How are you liking the Ansuz components? I have their BNC cable (P series) which is very good. I'm thinking of trying their power distributor and network switch in the coming months. Let me know what you think of these. Thanks. |
@mihorn I would encourage you to stop promoting your speakers in an unrelated thread. It is one thing for dealers and manufacturers to comment positively about equipment when there are inquiries directly related to said product, especially if the comments are comparing them directly to other equipment. But some of your posts just trash products and promote your own. It goes against the forum guidelines and will be reported if it continues. This thread is abd was never about Wavetouch speakers. |
@thespeakerdude While I cannot comment on the rest of the review / reviewer’s setup that you shared, I can say that the Borresen M1’s were placed not too far from walls when I heard them at the Florida Audio Expo. On top of that, there were NO treatments in the room at all. Yet it was still one of the top three rooms, if not the top. That said, we cannot judge the room by the speakers themselves. In addition to the $100K M1’s, there was probably $1MM of electronics, furniture, and tweaks to support them. The integrated was $70K. Ansuz cables and distributors, and Aavik electronics don’t come cheap. I think the speaker cables they used were about $65K MSRP! And peeking behind the gear, they had dozens of their SORTZ tweaks plugged in the different units. Their rack, using the DARKZ for resonance, also adds $$$. They all make a difference but delivers deceptive perceptions to anyone who thinks they will get the same performance from the speakers in their own system, unless they are investing in all of the other variables. The speakers did sound exceptional regardless, except for the bottom octave which I craved more from at times. You’re not alone on the professional review front, though. More and more I find reviewers who do not have adequate space to properly evaluate, or have no understanding on how to pair gear, or even write in ways where they are accurately describing the characteristics of a component vs the effect it has with their system synergy. It’s because of this that I shy take any review with a grain of salt, and oftentimes disregard them altogether. |
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I have significant experience with the Raidho D1.1 and a bit less listening experience with other D series models. So, in a "very short period of time", Borresen with the M1 came up with an extravagant variation of the D1.1 design (with even stiffer??...zirconium sandwiched 4.5 inch drivers (with includes pockets of zirconium powder and other 'magic dust'?), that still allows the design to only go down to 40kz). Many would suggest the acoustical laws of physics are at work. GIMMICKY DESIGN VARIATION is the key criticism I have. I do believe the M1 is more expensive to manufacture, and that theoretically, the materials/design changes result in 'measurable' sonic improvements, and maybe even a subjective degree of real world listening improvements. However, I casually see the price differential between the M1 and the D1.1, akin to installing 24 karat gold knobs and switches on your pre-amp. Mike Borresen impressed the audio community with his design of the Raidho D series. But I have to wonder how much sonic improvement the buyer actually gets out of spending an additional $70k for a 2-way monitor, which is in many ways a glorified monstrosity of the use of expensive materials and design concepts. Or am I wrong and Borresen has redefined the laws of physics? |
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