I use these from Ikea:https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/vaesnas-tealight-holder-clear-glass-60259096/
Can't go wrong for the price.
All the best,
Nonoise
Can't go wrong for the price.
All the best,
Nonoise
Synergistic Research Cable Risers?
Recenty Synergistic research brought out some cable risers. https://www.synergisticresearch.com/accessories/cable-risers/
The audio press said they made one of the biggest differences when taken out of the system, then re installed back in. Does anyone have first hand experience with these ?
That being said, they seem like quite a bit of money for what you get, however if they work at improving the sound it would be worth it. I do use Synergistic products which have made a definite improvement in sound but am quite skeptical on this product.
The audio press said they made one of the biggest differences when taken out of the system, then re installed back in. Does anyone have first hand experience with these ?
That being said, they seem like quite a bit of money for what you get, however if they work at improving the sound it would be worth it. I do use Synergistic products which have made a definite improvement in sound but am quite skeptical on this product.
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Been trying the risers for about a week, got them on the free orange fuse promo. In my system they did not work well, seemed to take away dynamics and reduced the organic nature of the sound. Then moved them under power cables and much better. Will attempt to try under speaker cables again and completely out of play before deciding on sending them back. They definitely impact the sound, certainly worth a try. For the naysayers here, we get it, you don’t need to keep repeating your skepticism ad infinitum, very tiresome..... |
But on Monday, I will call Mike at HRS, because he is a Real engineers engineer and see what he thinks about damping vibration in that 1m of cable. I can see with my accelerometer ( yes I have one, and an SPL meter and an RTA... did you throw out the rusty tape measure... yet ? ) that the Vandersteen cabinet and the HRS isolated Vandersteen amp ain’t moving much ( when you get real tools we can compare the differential).... who knows, maybe a constrained layer cable wrap will emerge... |
I listened to the risers at Rocky Mountain last year. Did it make a difference? Yes. With many tweaks it's often about the visceral feeling of the music, ie is it less fatiguing, do your shoulders drop when you listen, smooth out subtle edges/sharpness etc. vs. changing more obvious attributes such as sound stage, imaging, etc. These risers definitely changed the visceral feeling of the music. I don't know if they are better or worse than using wood or ceramic risers because SR didn't do A/B with other risers, just with and without. Like everything your mileage will vary so if there price is right and you like the look of them , may be worth a 30 day try. Since these do have the proprietary transducers, they will definitely sounds different than comparable risers without them. Also the difference wasnt night and day and you will want to add these to an already highly revealing/resolving system. |
Here are the specs on them from the manufacturer, clearly stated so there’s no come back liability. (nothing about any improvements to the sound) "Treated aluminum cable supports incorporating custom designed HFTs and other Synergistic Research UEF technology. You’ll need two sets thats $800!!!! Just use tennis balls cut in half they sound better. Cheers George |
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My intent on starting this forum topic was to get informed opinions from people who had tried this product. I use several Synergistic products in my system because they work, period. I use Hft''s x 3 different kinds, phono pht and finally the orange fuses having switched from the blue fuses. About 2 1/2 years ago I got Synergistic black fuses in everything which was a big upgrade from isoclean fuses. Then the blue fuses came out and I read Frank's review and all the other positive comments. At the time I didn't want to spend any money on new blue fuses having just bought 5 black fuses 4 1/2 months previous but decided to buy just one blue fuse for my amp to see what all the hopp la was about. Well end of story. There was no turning back upon hearing that just 1 blue fuse in my amp which made a big difference in the sound of the music. So I saw these Synergistic cable risers and said what if? At least I am keeping an open mind on it but will not buy any until I hear some positive reviews. My view on this is at that price they better work. It will be interesting to eventually hear from actual users or a magazine review. Base less conjecture is not informative. |
These are cool, “Right before the javelin throw, total concentration is required. Run through everything one more time and then throw the javelin as far as you can. It's that simple.” Hey, just like in audio! 🤗 https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F202654860184 |
In 1997 at CES Pierre and I suspended all cabling and power cords from eye 👁 hooks in the ceiling using thread with a rubber band on one end. Gives it a nice 2Hz bounce. It looked a little weird, though. Shannon Dickson in Stereophile described the Mapleshade Gallo room as Plan 9 from Outer Space. The debuting Gallo double sphere speakers probably didn’t help. |
High end cable elevators, https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F252733261261 |
The cable risers definitely work. If you’re looking for evidence, look to the experts - the electricity companies use big ones all the time. You can see them outside on some places where the cables are carried well above ground height. Put them at ground height and you’d get all sorts of EMF seepage. |
The "electricity companies" bury cables whenever possible (any new development). Audio cables might interact with some types of carpet maybe, but if cables are well made...star quad, helix, well shielded ICs, they'l work fine and little stands won't do anything...vibration raises it's pesky head when music is played, and being unnecessarily obsessed with vibration and silly things like micro arcing is an utter waste of time...with a 30 day Guarantee! |
One must take into account that there is a slight and constant bend in the cable where it is hung onto the cable risers. Have four or five of these "static" bends per speaker cable and you have created series of resistances which when compounded does not allow the signal to pass completely unimpeded. The obvious solution is balloons, string and helium. Inflate the balloons with helium, and tie one end of the string to the balloon and the other around the cable. The secret sauce here is that as the inflated balloons lose their buoyancy, at different loss rates, it creates constantly changing cable angles where attached to the string, and this multiplicity of angulation of the four or five balloons results in a smoother flowing of the audio signal. Flatlanders, nervous nellies, and Debbie downers who have not tried this in your own house, with your own gear, you have no basis for any negative commentary. |
If an incredibly thin piece of plastic wrap can throw off the performance of a capacitorThat’s a wank too, as it’s not ac music signal they're showing the effect on, but minuscule mF capacitance the test gear leads (which they conveniently don’t show) are in different positions, and could even be cross over for some shots, this is more the reason. Take any capacitance meter and it will show those minuscule mF or uF differences when measuring the same cap twice with the leads moved around. |
Mstrauss. It appears the seller I bought all of mine from has none left atm. However this is the idea but without all the screws etc. https://www.ebay.com/itm/153644817781 There are still plenty of ceramic insulator on eBay, vintage telegraph or telegram units is a good place to start for cable risers like this for example. https://www.ebay.com/itm/153832196243 |
Here’s a nice lot of three ceramic insulators on eBay, https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F174143134208 And another lot of four, https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F133131100740 |
Ok so I heard them at 2019 RMAF. I'm a big skeptic in all the audio voodoo. They had them in the system and then removed them on the same audio cut. Yes they made a difference. So here is the caveat. I'm not sure if it was the riser or the HFT they had attached to the riser. I stuck around when they just removed a couple of HFT's from the wall. The sound stage collapsed with them removed. I skipped the elevators and bought the HFT's. Yes the HFT's make a positive improvement. Bigger sound stage, better instrument placement and tighter bass. It's hard to imagine that a little piece of metal the size of a small button can do what they do. Like I said I'm a big skeptic but I bought them and glad I did. |
It’s hard to imagine that a little piece of metal the size of a small button can do what they do. Like I said I’m a big skeptic but I bought them and glad I did. Goose! sorry mate, but you are a goose https://www.google.com/search?q=you%27re+a+goose+meaning&oq=your+a+goose&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l7.4559j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Cheers George🤦♂️ |
douglas_schroeder Methods such as this are reasons why so many mediocre audio systems exist. You waste your time and money pursuing such rather than improving the power and signal paths. YMMV >>>>I’d say it’s the opposite. But as Bob Dylan sez at the end of all his albums, good luck to you. |
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9g314-custom-made-cable-elevators-set-of-10-tweaks I had these redesigned to fit my 8awg cables. Using some for my power cords also. Did I hear a difference? Didn’t even bother to try to. In theory, they should help insulate from not resting on the floor. |
Just put 12 UEF Cable Elevators into my very high resolution system.These are the only cable elevators that compare to my Shunyata DF-SS Cable Elevators.They increase detail and resolution and are very well made.I have tried wood,ceramic and plexaglass they are not even close in performance to Shunyata DF-SS or Synergistic UEF. |
I have a friend who toured with Dylan for years and I saw him at a party recently...I asked him about Kaitty’s comment and he laughed and noted he’d NEVER heard old Bob say that...and yeah, he never has said it at the end of any album I know of. However, Kaitty claims to be an "insider" which, based on his comments and products, likely means inside some institution where he’s safe and well fed...maybe...possibly an orderly says that to Kaitty at bed time. |
wolf_garcia ...
Is this the same "friend" who is the attorney in Vermont who was going to sue PPT in New Hampshire? Or, is it the same "friend" who gave you all of the SR fuses to try that didn't work out for you?? When my eldest daughter was five years old, she had an imaginary friend named "Holly." We used to set a place for "Holly" at the dinner table. LMAO! Frank |
Frank I would be interested in wolf’s answer to this question. I have to admit being a Vermonter, and an New Englander, having lived many years in the smog, traffic mess of southern CA, I could not even contemplate moving back to that lifestyle. Tell it like it is Wolfie. |
Hey, wolf man, did you run into Dylan’s bandmate at a Tupperware party? Here are some tips for you guys the next time you get together. https://www.pinterest.com/sharonrosanne/old-folks-party-ideas/ |
goose- Ok so I heard them at 2019 RMAF. I'm a big skeptic in all the audio voodoo. They had them in the system and then removed them on the same audio cut. Yes they made a difference. So here is the caveat. I'm not sure if it was the riser or the HFT they had attached to the riser. I stuck around when they just removed a couple of HFT's from the wall. The sound stage collapsed with them removed. I skipped the elevators and bought the HFT's. Yes the HFT's make a positive improvement. Bigger sound stage, better instrument placement and tighter bass. It's hard to imagine that a little piece of metal the size of a small button can do what they do. Like I said I'm a big skeptic but I bought them and glad I did. Informative? Check. Relevant? Check. Intelligent? Check. Thoughtful? Check. Factual? Check. So goose I just have one question for you: are you sure you're on the right site? |