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Perfect Path Tecnologies ‘The Gate’
Having been a music lover and audio enthusiast for more decades than I care to admit to I’ve had the privilege of owning some tremendous components over those years and thought I had attained a level of musical enjoyment that would be difficult to improve upon without spending more money than I could afford. Then along came The Gate to turn my audio conceptions on end.
While I was quite skeptical of all of the positive proclamations regarding the Perfect Path mats, cards and contact enhancer ( how could they possibly bring about such sonic improvements?) I took the plunge and purchased a nano bundle to see what the hubbub was all about. Much to my surprise they not only brought about improvements to my systems’ ability to recreate a more musical sound but did so in spades.
When Tim of Perfect Path Technologies asked if I wanted to try his new product, The Gate, I jumped at the chance thinking it would be a nice addition to what the other products provided. I wasn’t prepared for the quantum leap The Gate brought to my music listening pleasure. As much as the other products brought about a much lower noise floor, greater detail and delicacy, improved dynamics, richer tone and more realism The Gate does so in magnitudes difficult to describe. The best way I can describe its affect is unreal purity leading the most realistic musical sound I’ve had the pleasure of experiencing.....outside of a live performance obviously. It has me listening to all of my CD’s as if for the first time again.
I have no idea how The Gate actually works or what it does I just know it’s the most dramatic tweak to my system I’ve ever experienced and I wouldn’t think of being without it. As to how it’s implemented, it’s installed in the electrical panel with one lead connected to the common buss and the other to a breaker ( preferably 220). Hope I got the terminology correct.....I’m far from being an electrician!
At $4,999.00 it’s not cheap but worth every penny to me as I’ve spent more on components with less sonic improvement.
Lastly, I realize some will scoff at something they can’t understand and I get not understanding it as I don’t, but I would hope people could keep their skepticism healthy and civil. I am not here to promote or sell, nor do I have any affiliation with PPT. I am only sharing something that I’ve found to be transforming in my system. Sorry for the lengthy introduction.
While I was quite skeptical of all of the positive proclamations regarding the Perfect Path mats, cards and contact enhancer ( how could they possibly bring about such sonic improvements?) I took the plunge and purchased a nano bundle to see what the hubbub was all about. Much to my surprise they not only brought about improvements to my systems’ ability to recreate a more musical sound but did so in spades.
When Tim of Perfect Path Technologies asked if I wanted to try his new product, The Gate, I jumped at the chance thinking it would be a nice addition to what the other products provided. I wasn’t prepared for the quantum leap The Gate brought to my music listening pleasure. As much as the other products brought about a much lower noise floor, greater detail and delicacy, improved dynamics, richer tone and more realism The Gate does so in magnitudes difficult to describe. The best way I can describe its affect is unreal purity leading the most realistic musical sound I’ve had the pleasure of experiencing.....outside of a live performance obviously. It has me listening to all of my CD’s as if for the first time again.
I have no idea how The Gate actually works or what it does I just know it’s the most dramatic tweak to my system I’ve ever experienced and I wouldn’t think of being without it. As to how it’s implemented, it’s installed in the electrical panel with one lead connected to the common buss and the other to a breaker ( preferably 220). Hope I got the terminology correct.....I’m far from being an electrician!
At $4,999.00 it’s not cheap but worth every penny to me as I’ve spent more on components with less sonic improvement.
Lastly, I realize some will scoff at something they can’t understand and I get not understanding it as I don’t, but I would hope people could keep their skepticism healthy and civil. I am not here to promote or sell, nor do I have any affiliation with PPT. I am only sharing something that I’ve found to be transforming in my system. Sorry for the lengthy introduction.
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lhasaguy ... Thanks for posting this:
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@uberwaltz, Take it easy, I certainly did not have any intentions to cause more pain to mrs_ppt. Bless her heart, we know Tim is always going to be ‘there’ with her in spirits. My post was directed towards mindless posts by geoffkait. The man simply got too much time on his hands and does not know when to quit. |
Lalitk. My apologies indeed. After reading again, yes I can see how you intended it to come across. GK can confuse the issue on any thread. Hard to get this thread back on track which is The Gate. All I can say is you would have to pry mine from my cold dead fingers before I gave it up from my system. I have NO other power conditioning of any kind bar the Gate now. And the noise floor is LOW...... Nothing turning on like the ac or fridge makes the slightest blip in the music. And it certainly used to until I purchased an Equicore 1800 which fixed those issues. However once I installed the Gate I felt the Equicore was now having a slight negative impact so I removed it and have flown with just the Gate ever since. |
@uberwaltz, No apologies needed bud! I understand your point of view on The Gate. IMO, good power correction / conditioning is not inexpensive. Many of us have found SOTA power solutions from the likes of SR, Shunyata, Audience and Nordost. Since I have not tried PPT products yet, I am unable comment on how they compare with any of the aforementioned A-List manufacturers. |
I’ve made my opinions on the Gate perfectly clear here many times. The other PPT products seem to work in coordination with The Gate to really supercharge the system. Once the SR Orange fuses were broken in, I pasted them with PPT’s Total Contact. A little degradation initially as usual, but I’m five days into it now, and all I can say is ... WOW ...!!! The TC paste has to dry in order for it to perform at it’s best. Frank |
Frank. I do not disagree on the Gate working well and in conjunction with other PPT products at all. I have mats, cards and tc paste as well. It was just the additional non PPT power conditioning that appeared to have a slight smearing of details compared to just the Gate. I have no idea just how it works and do not care. And if any smarmy pants think it is an overpriced piece I have just one comment. Go and design your own and bring it to market AND offer a 90 day return policy . Less talk and more walk...... |
uberwaltz ... I understand your point completely. I've heard from other members via PMs that some of their tweaks degrade their system's sound after The Gate is installed. Some of the after-market plug-in devices seem to be the worst in this regard. Once the devices are removed, then The Gate can do its thing and the system becomes better overall than before. Tim told me the same thing relating to some of his customers. Frank |
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I have just completed reading this thread. OMG. So, I am building a new house. I used the PPT paste in my last house on all of my components. I also used the SR Blue fuse on my Raven Tube amp. Yes, I did hear an improvement in sound. So now I am wondering what I really need to do. It sounds like if I install the Gate in my 400amp panel that is all I need to do for cleaner power and surge protection. Why would I also need the Mats? Cards? Or for that matter the Paste? How can you really determine the difference in sound quality between these various tweaks? I find it hard to believe that you will have that much more of an incremental improvement in sound by adding all of these tweaks. I am going to have another theater room with high end projection. Would the gate improve the picture from the projector? When the house is complete I am getting all new equipment. Lucky me. I will paste my components similar to before. If I don't spend the money on the gate and buy the Mats, I am not sure I understand how they are attached in the circuit panel box? Do you glue them to the inside panel? I have a Lumin X-1 streamer. It is on one inch footers. Would you place the mat underneath the Lumin or on top of it? So the question for me is do I want to spend money on a whole house surge protection system or the Gate? Or do I just want to get the New SR Orange fuses, paste my contact points and buy a few Mats. By the way, my new two channel system will consist of Viking Acoustic Grande Voix speakers, Canary Audio M600 Mono tube amps and C1800 Preamp with the Lumin X-1 streamer. I know I will have beautiful music even if I don't do a thing. |
willgolf ... Lucky you, indeed. However, I suspect that hard work and innovation had a lot more to do with your success than luck. :-) The PPT products build on each other. Every step is an improvement. Once I had the Gate installed, and already having used the TC paste everywhere possible, I thought there was no more to wring from the system. Then along came the Stop-Its and the Omega Plus Mats. I don’t have an overhead projector like you do, but I do have a rear-projection 73" Mitsubishi TV. I’ve pasted all contacts on the DVD player and the satellite box. I also pasted the connections for the projector bulb. I have the original E-mats under the DVD player and satellite box as well. To say that the picture was improved would be an understatement. And, as the other members will attest to ... I never overstate a position. :-) Of all the PPT products, The Gate was the most effective. Second to The Gate would be the new Omega + E-Mats. I’m not discounting the TC paste here either. I’m kind of in a quandary at this point trying to decide what ranks where ... but The Gate is definitely number one. As you know, there’s a 90-day return policy, so you might want to try everything out before you make a final decision. Give Krissy a call. She will be more than helpful and very willing to help you out. Frank PS: On the mats in the circuit breaker box. I have four mats, plus The Gate in my circuit breaker box at this point in time. I just stacked the mats up against the switches and gently closed the door. Amazing results. |
Hi everyone, Proud new “Gater” here and wanted to share my initial feelings. I’ve been lucky to have the good fortune to have been able to upgrade my gear in a short period of a few years... the results have been phenomenal. I wish to say that even with upgrading numerous and various things, and feeling very satisfied with the return on investment, the addition of the gate allows my pieces to really show their capabilities, so much more so, that I can’t say that was even aware of their true potential before. I do believe that my system is extremely musical and satisfying. I know there is better gear out there, and there is lesser gear out there for sure. But I can honestly say, finally, that I’m not interested in the latest and greatest. My system plays music now with such truth, that upgrades aren’t something I dream about. That is freedom. Now, I’ve read through these pages, and I’ve seen how ugly and personal things can get. Be sure, I have no desire for a back and forth with anyone here, respectfully. I’m just posting my experience with this product. Nothing more, nothing less. I’m here to discuss the gate. Over the years, I may have come across as over zealous about things I’ve done or got for the system, and while I agree it can be a turn off, especially for those skeptical,(myself included) I must give credit where it is due, and the gate deserves credit for allowing me to enjoy my system to a degree never obtained before. I absolutely understand the enthusiasm for the gate Over the years, I’ve learned that buying a system based on specs doesn’t lead to a satisfying sound. It leads to bragging rights to a system that may or may not make music. (Woop dee doo). I’ve learned to place dogma aside and trust my ears. I feel too many of us lose out on some amazing musical experiences because we’re in the hobby for the wrong reasons. I will save the gee whiz comments on how amazing this product has made my system sounds, because you’ve heard them echoed by others already on this thread. We will leave it with a resounding concurrence on my part. This product is the real deal. No I don’t know it’s specs, but I love what it does for my enjoyment of this hobby. Take my opinion and do what you want with it. I just felt like sharing. |
I have been following this thread for awhile and have a couple of questions. I have a main panel and 2 sub panels in my house. The main panel in my house has the audio system and a sub panel has the home entertainment system. Will The Gate impact electronics on the sub-panel or do you need a Gate for each panel. Second question - I have been considering moving to a battery generator like The GoalZero Yeti or The EcoFlow Delta. This will eliminate the 'noise' from the panel, however these generators also produce 'noise'. Is it possible to leverage 'The Gate' on one of these power generators. If so any thoughts on would it be better than having the Gate on the panel. Thanks for any feedback. |
davea33 ... I have a main panel and that's where I put The Gate. I also have a subpanel in the master bedroom closet. I managed to fit four E-Mats into the subpanel ... two original mats and two "plus" mats. The Gate in the main panel was a huge contributor to SQ. The mats were a nice improvement, but not as great as The Gate in the main panel. I can't answer your questions regarding the battery-powered generator due to lack of experience, but it sounds like a great place for a few Omega "Plus" Mats. Maybe someone else with the experience can chime in here. Take care ... Frank |
In 2 days I wil receive The Gate from Marigo. I ordered it (along with Mats+ and Cards) a few days ago. It was the very last one of this seller. Ref. my post https://forum.audiogon.com/users/michael_be . I have a question on the installation of The Gate. In the breaker panel there are 4 wires coming in: L1 - Neutral - L2 and the Earth. I know that there are 2 wires coming out of The Gate. From what I read, the PPT instructions say that one wire must be connected to the neutral and the other to an unused breaker. This way The Gate sees 110 volts. On some posts it is said that The Gate is connected to a 220 volt breaker, and it even sounds best this way. But in fact for The Gate to see 220 volts, each wire must be connected to a separate breaker, one breaker tied to L1 and the other breaker to L2. So as such a (one) 220 volt breaker doesn't exist in the panel. Could someone help me understand this? Also can The Gate withstand 220 volts? Thanks, Michael |
michael_be ... Have you installed your Gate yet? If not, Find a breaker switch that services your dryer or air conditioner and use that one. Frank |
Neodymium magnets seem to enhance the effects of the Gate. In an open breaker box, I have cut a strip of an E+ mat and used double sided tape to stick it to the side of the Gate that faces the room. The small barrel shaped magnets are sitting on the mat strips and the Gate itself, at 2" intervals. I use the Walker Talisman in 6" clockwise sweeps over the total open surface of the box, for ten or fifteen seconds, before a listening session. |
What long term results? The Gate is so freaking good how anyone ever manages to disconnect it is beyond me. You went a couple DAYS? I couldn't go a couple MINUTES! In my system The Gate is really just the beginning. There's Mats all over the place starting with one on the METER, a few in the panel, strips cut and zip tied along the AC wire, around my step down transformer, inside the conditioner, and speakers, with pieces cut into tubes wrapped around all the wires- speaker cables, interconnects, power cords. The amp has Omega e-Cards between and around all the transformers. Total Contact, that stuff is pasted everywhere. Took my electrical panel apart. By apart I mean down to the bare copper bus bars. Pasted those, the neutral bus bar, ground bus bar, and the AC power line its entire length under the house. Coated all the transformers- step down, Active Shielding, conditioner. Pasted caps, inductors, tubes, pretty much everything that can be done without causing a short, inside pretty much everything there is. Tone arm, cartridge, phono leads, the works. Long term effects? All this stuff (and more, but Fight Club rules) sounds absolutely fabulous right away, then somehow after a month or so you notice it just got even better. After a couple months though, sad to say, no more unless you buy more. Worth it? The last group of audiophiles to drive up from Portland one of them had me play Steely Dan, which I guess must be one of his "reference" things he likes to judge systems with, and afterwards said, "That's the best ever heard that." Since then, done even more. Those guys would be shocked to hear how much better it is now! So there's your long term results- sorry if I didn't stand still frozen in place after putting The Gate in but when you got something this good you just want more. And more. And more! |
Those who passed on the PPT products, especially The Gate, will never know what magic these items bring to an audio system. After all this time, I am still astounded by the sound quality I'm getting. In communicating with other A'goners all across the country who took the plunge, I know that they are getting the same results that Millercarbon and I am. As a side note: Before Tim passed, he sent me two power cords he had built. They were on loan for three weeks. I put one in the phono stage and one in the CD player. Like The Gate, they were transformative. This, despite the fact that the system already uses some well-respected, Synergistic Research PCs that sound great. I don't believe Tim's cords could have been produced to sell commercially. They were way too labor-intensive to build. The price would have had to be atmospheric in order to make any sense. Miller ... I wish you could have tried the PCs. You would have freaked. :-) Frank |
I don’t bought the Gate and regret it now. In Europe it was not so easy to do, and a bit uncertain (I thought). I still have a bit of Total Contact in the fridge and keep it and hope I can make it last as long as possible. I have 3 Omega in the breaker’ 1 under each amp and preamp, under my Harbeth M40 anniversary. I can’t understand that a man who had such an illness didn’t prepare the continuity of his business after his death. Tim ans his wife were very good people. Their products are the best of the best accessories I ever had in my system. |
I never bought the Gate, I wish I had though. I have found that as I have improved my component selection the Omega Mats under that equipment seemed to add a edge to the sound. Removing them along with the cards, paste sounds more natural. So I have sold most of them. But, I still keep some of the mats under my Oppo 205 and other video components. And, I still have 4 of the Omega Mat +’s inside the breaker box. ozzy |
Perhaps should i sell my idea instead of giving it free ? 😁 I create what i called a "golden plate"... Shungite tile+ copper tape on the external side of the application... I use them all along the main location of my electrical grid with success and no "edge" to the sound... I use them also behind my speakers posts cables and on my main central electrical panel and even outdoor on the electrical meter box, inside on the main router etc... I use them with a very small shungite plate tough on my Schuman Generators grid.... But i give idea to all free of charge, and guess what nobody want to try them really....Cost is peanuts compared to competition... They prefer throwing thousand of dollars of money.... I am too old to create an audio company.... If someone try one i will be interested by his review... The "golden plates" are my main tool to drecease my house electrical noise floor....What i called one of my embeddings controls... 😊 P.S. dont use them near an amplifier or near a dac or a cd player they will compress the sound ...Sometimes i use them with an Herkimer diamond to make the effect more refine... |
@oregonpapa ,I remember going through this thread few years ago. Did not know the owner passed away. Looks like they had some good products.
I read good things about 'The Gate', but it is not a product that you buy on whim. Surprised that the company nor the products continued under a new ownership. |
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Thanks for the input Ozzy. It mirrors my experience with Bybee stuff, you have to be very careful where you use them. They seem ok on the consumer unit. I was thinking of importing and selling the PPT stuff in the U.K. at one point but hesitated because of my experience with Bybee. The Bakoon/Cube combo that I demo is very revealing and doesn’t seem to benefit from these devices in close proximity, like you say. Mahgister thanks for you recommendations and suggestions. Since it’s so reasonable it would be good to try. So again you confirm that this sort of device is best used only on the mains. |