I am living the dream right now my friend!
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Question for those who have the Gate already and Tim.
If one already has a top flight power conditioner is the Gate still likely to give the same improvement.
Additionally is the same top flight power conditioner even required if one installs the Gate?
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While I agree 5k is a lot of money for what some may consider a tweak, compared to some other upgrades it is not astronomical.
Indeed I figure we have some here who have already spent way more on ecards, emats, fuses etc in pursuit of excellence.
The way I see it right now is you are likely to consider The Gate if you already have a good resolving system that you are pretty happy with the flavour and balance of overall , and just looking to maximise its impact and strengths.
With that being said I am unlikely to dive in head first but will wait and see a few more positive reviews.
Yes I know there is a 90 day returns policy which is very generous and tells me a lot about both Tim's nature AND his confidence in this product. |
Yes we have Frank... Lol.
Really looking forward to installing the Gate next week.
Will update once in play. |
Erik
Please do not go down the same path another long standing member did and end up out of sorts over it.
Yes some of the claims seem over the top for sure but I am using emats, ecards and TC ( along with SR Blue fuses and duplex) and these all work extremely well to lower the noise floor and open up the music in my system.
With a money back guarantee ( except the TC) what do you have to lose by trying any of Tims products.
No affiliation at all, just one happy customer.
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Erik
I hear you.
But don't you think you should at least discuss your concerns with its creator Tim?
Rather than just blanket diss of it without knowing if your concerns/questions already have answers? |
Frank
I Will be over shortly to relieve you of the stress those components are causing you.
Can you have them all boxed up ready to go please.....
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Frank
Careful with "The Brits" talk... lol. You never know who is reading!
It really was not like that at all in England ,at least in my area ,but I was out in the stix.
Shoot, an electrical colleague wired his main supply up to run his electricity meter backwards for half the quarterly charge period!
Yes he did eventually get caught!
However I did escape here back in 2000 and have no intention of leaving unless Uncle Sam finds me and throws me out.... lmfao.
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Being an industrial electrician dealing with mostly lethal high voltage lines of 480v I might know a thing or two about being careful concerning electrickery.
I would likely agree that the largest hurdle here would be persuading a reputable outside electrician in a state that is very code conscious that it is "ok" to wire this into the main panel without a bit more than your say so that it is fine.
Best approach would be just do it yourself paying due diligence to your own health and safety.
As I obviously would do this in a heartbeat I am not at all concerned but can concede the point.
Would not be the first time I had been presented with a piece of equipment on site with zero paperwork or electrical prints and been asked to "just wire it in"
Uh uh, no way Jose!
However we are talking 480v and 1200a plus applications, something that will pick you up and throw the leftovers across the room if you screw up! |
And now to return to our scheduled programming.
We need a name for this elite group.
How about The Gaters?
We had The Fusers so sounds good to me.
As a fyi, I ordered mine direct from Tim yesterday morning so will soon see what all the fuss is about. 90 day return policy so it's hard to go wrong in truth. |
Just helping you get your post count up GK........ |
Is it possible that the “noise floor” has been swallowed by a black hole Geoff? |
Carpathian.
Gators correct, a whopping 40 miles from myself.... Do not go to Gainesville on game day!
That's why I suggested The Gaters.
Subtle difference I admit but still.....
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Aw shucks thanks Geoff!
I can really FEEL the heartfelt concern in your post there.
You know it's really getting me right THERE, you know.
In fact I can feel the tears welling up as I type!
Oh wait,hold on....
Sorry my bad, it was just my pants on backwards again ....... |
Dang
I am running out of kidneys to sell.....
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I sure do NOT intend to be " knocking on heavens door".
I think I got this......
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The Gate is in the system as at 9.35am EST 4/21.
Connected to 220v house AC breaker, I did ask Tim if it mattered which breaker as I thought the house AC might be noisy but he said it did not matter at all.
Just managed to squeeze it into my old Cutler box under the cover, going to have to replace this old thing one day I am sure.
Now we shall see..... |
Holy sugar......
I am sorry but this is not remotely a subtle change!
It has only been installed 4 hours but I thought I would spin some vinyl.
First test, ear against speaker, hmm sounds quiter....
Next test play a well known album.
WTH!
Who added the subs?
And new speakers with vastly more dynamics especially in the upper mids.
Truly astounding, way more effect than tc or emats, not that they were not impressive on their own right but this...
Just 4 hours in and I have a new system! |
I believe Tim probably cannot give too much in the way of explanation without giving the game away.
Yes the price is high but with a 90 day inhome trial its hard to go wrong.
And honestly with what I heard just a few hours in, it is by far and way the largest single upgrade I have ever heard.
Yes it was worth the kidney.
Spleen and gall bladder up next.
Interesting about Clay County Carpathian, where do you live? We are served by Clay Electric as well. |
Well I have tingles running up and down my spine.
Norah Jones is in my room singing just for me personally!
And this on " obsolete tech" , a CD ... Lol.
Less than a day and it is majestic.
If anybody is on the fence on this just do it!
Glad I spoke to Mac, David and Tim about it .
Join " The Gaters", you know you want to!
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Small world yet again ... Lol.
Used to live in Keystone Heights, then Middleburg( off Black Creek), then to Fleming Island which is as close to Jax as I wish to get!
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thecarpathian
I so nearly bought a lake house while there, glad I did not as it dried up! Gatorbone Lake, not sure if the lakes have come back, been years since been through Keystone.
Lalitk.
I was/am using Core Power Tech Equicore 1800.
Tim feels it is likely to be surplus now though.
I will test at a later date with equipment just plugged into a couple of power strips and the Equicore out of the system.
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Frank
Not really my type of music, closest that would contain those type of instruments would be say Santana.
Vocals, especially female vocals are scary good.
Example, last night listening to Norah Jones.
The scene it conjured for me.
An old Vegas style lounge, smoky, intimate.
Norah on the small stage backed by a stand up double bass, three piece drum kit and piano.
Myself sitting at a table closest to Norah .
I can "feel" the swish of brush on drum skin, almost see the bass strings vibrate. She is looking at me and performing just for me.
I mentioned extra bass earlier, what I truly mean is extra bass weight,and definite separation of instruments.
I am now able to "hear" bass runs and licks that were obviously there in the mix previously but did not stand out.
Now I do not mean stand out as overpowering but as subtle but sure instruments in their own right not just as some congealed mass of music.
Its going to be a GREAT week!
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Mac
Good to know on the power conditioner as Tim did hint that I would likely be able to take it out of the system entirely.
My thoughts exactly on making a high quality power distribution box, I can use the existing CPT power cord from my Equicore.
Fun times ahead.
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After looking around I decided I could not build my own power center box for the price I could buy the bare bones of one for.
So to that end I bought a Belkin 9100 10 outlet box.
Nice metal case and decent outlets.
Comes with a 14ft cord and on/off switch and circuit breaker.
Plan is to junk the cord, switch and breaker. Rewire all outlets internal with silver wire , treat everything with tc paste and add a 8/3 6 foot cord.
Cost of those mods will be zilch as I have more cable than I know what to do with.
Cost of the Belkin was $26.94 free shipping from Amazon.
Like I said, could not build it for that.... |
Well that was a surprise... Of sorts.
Been away 4 days and sat down tonight with great expectations.
But, sort of flatter,not as much sparkle as I remember.
I guess that answers that experiment.
I had spoken with Tim if he thought with The Gate in the breaker panel if emats were now needed in the panel door. Try it without he said, be interesting.
Well I think I can say it was a negative move so the emats will go back in the breaker panel door tomorrow.
Anybody else tried that? |
Last night I put all emats and ecards back to their prior position before retiring for the night.
Played some music this morning and it was already sounding better so the emats at the breaker box definitely appears to compliment the Gate actions or works well in conjunction, take your pick.
So next up I removed my Equicore 1800 and replaced with the Hot rodded Belkin 10 outlet power box.
I honestly feel this is not only no worse but if anything a slight improvement in transparency and speed with possibly a very slight loss in bass.
This makes me think the Equicore was stifling some of the life from the music, loss of detail and some smearing which also can make you feel you have a little more bottom end.
Tbh it may have been ever so slightly bass heavy so it is NO loss at all in reality and a trade I am happy to make for now.
Be interesting to see how it progresses as all the mats/ cards settle again. |
Mac.
Good to know I am on the right track. Yes it is time to leave mats and cards alone again and let them settle.
Skullcap? The mind boggles.
Maybe that is how Tim is coming up with these great ideas and products!
He already has his version of a head spinitron! |
This....
From a "fan".....
9:44pmALL the people who are hooked on whatever they fed you or planted in your mind from PPT, (more like drug addicts or newly converted religious fanatics.. than audiophiles btw. can stay the hell away from me. There is no ’natural’ response in any of the praise comments, or the strange need for others to join them. So it seems more like a ’cult’ than a product. I find the behavior of way too many of the cult followers to be just like Scientology followers, and seem to be playing fro the same handbook.
You all act like you are in love, or like you were hit with "Love Potion #9"
If it entirely disgusting behavior, and bizarrely repugnant. And gee I really really mean it. So stay the hell away from me with that garbage. Spew it at somebody stupid.
Bizarre or what! |
Jafreeman, Mac.
Unfortunately the "fan" is female, which should give the game away...lol
Think someone must have spiked her cocoa last night......
Not sure if I can heap any platitudes on the Gate this morning now, someone may call the health department on me.
But here goes, mostly an all day listening session on and off yesterday and boy was it good.
Tried various media, tape, vinyl. cd and streaming.
Bass has returned in spades, still the vocal clarity and range is breathtaking, hearing notes and effects in songs I had never noticed before which I think has to be just the lower noise floor, always there just never could hear them previously.
And yes I am for the most part listening to music at a higher SPL than previous without feeling there is any degradation or breaking down of the musical force for want of better words.
A very happy camper indeed.
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Mine is making a very good door stop right now thank you! |
@mribob
Can you expound on the change in position of the Gate in your panel to a more optimal position?
I fear mine is less than optimal simply because it is a very old panel and there was no room for the Gate at the bottom.
In fact it is near the top, pretty close to the incoming mains lines.
Thank you
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And they say these forums are too serious!
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Thanks Frank
I have not got round to total disconnect on the sub yet but I have turned the output down considerably.
Still early days.....
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Ding Ding
And we have a winner....... |
Jkbtn.
Is that the best you have to offer?
Trolling two PPT threads with the same "snake oil"chant.
Very imaginative indeed.
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Conversing with Tim this morning who wanted to know how I had my Gate installed.
He advised that it should give best results with the label or wording facing the bussbar or breakers.
Mine is mounted high in the box to the right and vertical which was perfect he said apart from label was facing out.
All I did was rotate it in place so label facing the breakers.
I do have pictures of before and after but have never figured out how to add any to conversations here! I do not use any photo hosting services or any social media crap and likely never will!
This forum is bad enough... lmao.
Just passing this along in case it may be of use to others with The Gate.
Time for another listening session.
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Nope
But I might take a post... Maybe yours?
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Miller.
Not had it in system 30 days yet but I can say there is no difference between night and day performance in my system.
My experience may have been a little different to others as I heard a huge improvement right after install.
Akin to adding NOS to an already blown motor!
Since then it has been gradual, subtle changes, not anything I would say was another "wow" event.
Let's just say it will not be going back.... |
Warning!
Terrible pun time...….
The difference is night and day with The Gate installed...….
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Tried to tell the better half how much I saved her as we do not need a new TV now, or fridge etc.
All I got was evil eye for my trouble..... |
Jafox
If I were you I would directly message Tim and see what his thoughts are.
He is so easy to work with and I am sure he would be able to suggest the best solution for your situation
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Not a bad idea Jafox.
I am sure Tim will not take " a fence" ..... |
Don't you mean more than your wallet can handle!
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Pretty sure Frank,s post may have contained just a hint of sarcasm.......
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Very simple
If you think at 5k it is too expensive then do not buy/try it.
BUT do NOT then come here claiming PPT are a rip off or scam artist company when you do not have the BALLS to step up and try yourself and think EVERYBODY else here who has is an idiot.
That is deeply insulting and demeaning
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Obviously I have no problem with spirited intellectual debate but I have seen very little evidence of that so far.
Yes some of the positives can be construed as a bit overblown but until you try you will never know what truth there is to it.
The negatives consisting of statement along lines of it may just be a $50 part is also extreme and very unlikely.
But sure why does someone not go ahead and buy the Russian Vostock, install and report back, then at least we have some reference and not just idle thoughts. |
Just as a fyi.
I am happy with The Gate and it matters not a jot to myself if you consider my purchase or usage of such misguided and I'll conceived.
It's my system, my ears and my money.
But I do think you may be missing out on something good but hey what do I know, just an ol fart here! |
Noromance.
Did I say I was referring to you specifically?
I think not...
BUT again I will say everyone is entitled to their opinions and this is a free posting forum but if all anybody is intending to do is say things like it's scam or rip off WITHOUT any actual facts to back it up then my point stands.
It is is insulting and offensive to both those who have taken the plunge and more importantly the manufacturer. |
Jetter.
Well documented issue that has been extant for over a week unfortunately.
Couple threads on it and Audiogon well aware but seem incapable of resolving.
Very dissapointed tbh. |
