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Jay,

What is your schedule for putting the Magico videos (especially, your interview with Alon) on YouTube?

Thank you!

@kren0006

Completely agree 

@kren0006 ​​​​​​

Thanks for the comment above. Unfortunately don’t be surprised if it gets deleted because you are speaking the truth

@jays_audio_lab Audiogon is not what it used to be. You better put your time and knowledge into some where else.

jays_audio_lab

I wish I could defend myself on here ...  I won’t embark on duking it out with anyone ... I have to let the moderators do their job

I've found the moderators here to be very fair and I think everyone here is free to defend themselves. There's no reason you should be subject to any attacks and you should feel free to correct any misstatement.

I'd be very surprised if the moderators were unwilling to delete any false statements made about you. You might have to alert them to the problem first, though.

I wish I could defend myself on here, but as I continue to grow I have to unfortunately let the "narrators" create their stories for the masses since that is really the only thing they can do.

I said it before, I won’t embark on duking it out with anyone. I never win either way and have more to lose.

That said, I have to let the moderators do their job when false statements like the one above "promoting magico speakers and getting paid" are being spread throughout. This is FALSE, with ZERO PROOF and will be addressed by the moderators. I am done having to explain myself as if my life depended on it.

If you are going to disclose something about me, make sure you have FACTS and PROOF of what is coming out of your mouth or else people can see that you are simply fabricating things to bring attention to yourself. 

@zprr Well I think an ad is only that if you are selling something. So as this is worded I’d say yes it’s allowed. The OP is doing the same thing. So I’d say what’s ok for one is ok for all. Technically if your selling an item you should place your ad in the for sale section. Hope this helps. BTW he’s  not doing the dealer any favors by announcing to the world that this dealer discounts. Manufacturers kinda frown on that.

are straight up ads allowed like that last post on agon onto established threads? honest question

What I find very lacking to many is knowledge of the verygood U.S.A made Coda 

electronics ,they are leaders in many areas ,priced great and up there with PassLabs  but have their own Sonic signature . What many don’t know is that 

Nelson Pass started here when they were a team at Threshold  ,then Nelson 

wantedtostarthis own company backin the90s . I have their latest CSIB integrated amp it is excellent., it comes in 3 power choices as with theAmplifiers 

the lowest power gives 18 first watts in pure class A, then 150,300, 600 wpc 

then 2 other higher power options ,they use Mosfets,fet and 40 high current bipolor s on the output end , class leading up to 120 short term amps , and a 

potted 3,000 Va toroidal transformer , no one comes close and for under $7k unheard of ,and agreat linear electric Burr Brown volume attenuator 

10 year warranty, 5 year transferrable I just thought I would share this .

I purchased mine from Mike  at Audio Arcon ,a very good dealer and fair pricing not full retail like some.which makes it an even better buy.

@viber6 ,

Was your last post directed at me?

If it was, I fail to see how you failed to see that I am agreeing with you.

@viber6

This respectful dialogue is beyond your comprehension, so ignore and bud out.

The amount of nonsense you are spewing is indeed beyond my comprehension
( including the ’respectful’ ending of your reply).
At least try and get your story strait, is it electrostatic or is it plasma??
Not sure why you insist talking about stuff you have no knowledge of. Stick to impressionism, then you can get away with anything ;)

Um, I think the term is butt out.  Speaking of comprehension.

Can you think of a more perfect transducer than the plasma?  Semantics--"purest" means the best in existence, not necessarily "perfect,"  Let's get practical.  What driver principle is in your speakers?

It is easier to make accusations of "wrong" than to come up with advancements of real value.  

There is no such thing as "purest transducer"; 

Wrong.

henry201,

The purest transducer is the massless plasma driver, but it is impractical to use below about 500 Hz.  The next best is the electrostatic driver, nearly massless, and better controlled than any dynamic driver either in a box or open baffle. To get a reasonable SPL and bass extension, they need enough panel area.  As I posted, all ESL's have flawed implementation of the electrostatic principle.  My concept of the best implementation is a concave spherically curved panel or a concave version of Soundlab's small cells in a spherical concave configuration. The radius of curvature is the listening distance, which would be adjusted to suit the distance.  The result would be equal arrival times and full HF response without smearing from all parts of the panel.  Reasonable bass extension would be achieved with enough panel area. The listener must be in the tiny sweet spot for full appreciation.  

rbach,

This respectful dialogue is beyond your comprehension, so ignore and bud out. 

Strike 3....you're out

The electrostatic principle is the purest transducer

No it is not. There is no such thing as "purest transducer"; electrostatic elements have their pros and cons, just like any other transducer principle.

Wilson, Focal, Magico (M9 only) speakers’ drivers are concavely directed for perfect time alignment.

Wrong again. None of these are time aligned.

The electrostatic principle is the purest transducer, but almost all stat speakers are badly implemented. Large convex curved diaphragms radiate to the listener varying degrees of HF rolloff. None of them are time aligned. A total hodgepodge. My Audiostatic 240 speakers are the least flawed, although not perfect. The 2 skinny flat panels per side can be rotated to directly radiate to the listener without HF rolloff. The medium height of 48" provides better focus than the large Soundlabs and Martin Logans. I use only one panel per side, for the best focus and clarity. It could be improved with vertical concave curvature for perfect time alignment. Wilson, Focal, Magico (M9 only) speakers’ drivers are concavely directed for perfect time alignment.

Perhaps, but they come with their own plethora of issues and, as you mentioned, limited dynamics. They are also, indeed, colored. I clearly hear a plastic sheen ridding on the music. Not a perfect nor preferable solution either, IMO

Right.  Magico cones are stiffer than Harbeth's.  But no dynamic driver cones are as rigidly controlled as electrostatic membranes which are in a tight, narrow sandwich between stators.  The drawback of electrostatic membranes is the smaller excursion which limits macrodynamics.  Rigid control and lowest mass give electrostatics the highest accuracy and lowest coloration within their dynamic limits.

@viber6

Both the Harbeth and Magico videos show the importance of stiff drivers.

LOL, Harbeth stiff?? The cone is made of injected molding plastic, it might be more rigid than polypropylene, but stiff it is not. The guy is bending it with his fingers, I don’t think he understands the meaning of stiffness. I don’t think you can bend a Magico cone that easily 🙄

Harbeth are fine for what they are but have not much in common with Magico.

@cleeds I understand what you saying and yes nothing wrong with Jay being paid. I’m just saying that this is not the case here with Mágico that’s all.  Jay wants to give an honest review and factory tour  with no obligation to sugar coat anything or any appearance of bias. This is just to show us about the company that built his speaker.  Therefore I’d be willing to bet He hasn’t received a dime from Mágico.  

Both the Harbeth and Magico videos show the importance of stiff drivers.  With Harbeth, the enclosure is seen as a less important factor, whereas with Magico, similar high quality drivers are in the S and M series.  The biggest differences with big price differences are seen in the enclosures.  Let's see what else we learn from Jay's interview with Alon Wolf.

What's the big deal? If Jay is doing these videos for free, he can just say so and I think most of us would be willing to take him at his word. But Jay has made it clear that he's a dealer working for profit. There's nothing disrespectful about noting that.

Agree. Most of us are here, and many for over 4 years, for Jay’s content and by extension support for his thread. Jay has always been transparent and upfront.

Gratuitous attempts to undermine his hard work and insinuate false narratives epitomizes disrespect toward the spirit of Jay’s journey and should have no place here. 

@rbach +1

To state that you think Magico is paying for its coverage on these web sites is also saying Jay is being paid for the video tour and interview.  I find that accusatory and rude behavior.

Pretty cool how @clearthink ​​​​​​ is doing his thing on here huh?

@rbach ​​​​​​

I appreciate your comment above. Thank you for the support you and others who believe in what i do display on here (I know there are many of you who stand behind my work)

The factory tour was more than what I expected . Alon and his staff were absolutely phenomenal and very welcoming to me and my wife who was there to work the cameras. By the way, Alon makes an amazing cappuccino too!

Anyhow, I managed to record about 3 hours of total footage so I will break it up into several videos. All footage was done in 4k @ 60fps and I used a great wireless lavalier on him and me so the sound of our conversations was clear even through the station where the CNC machines were building new cabinets.

Stay tuned guys - I thank you for your patience.

After years of building Jay's forum thread and YouTube channel he gets invited to tour the Magico factory and interview Alon Wolf.  He is having technical difficulties uploading the content so we can all watch.  So what does clearthink do?  He posts a video tour of the Magico factory (from a competing audio YouTube influencer) on Jay's own forum thread.  Way to go clearthink.  You are a class act.

carey1110

As far as Mágico paying YouTubers I doubt that. By the time Jay produces this video I’d bet it has cost him quite a bit.

Using paid "social media influencers" on Youtube, Facebook, and other social media sites is exactly how a lot of advertising is done today. Jay probably does have costs associated with producing the videos, which makes it all the more likely that he's being paid. There's nothing wrong with that and Jay has made it clear that as a dealer, he's in this for profit.

Very interesting how different the philosophies can be between speaker manufacturers. However Mágico and Harbeth total opposites in terms of everything from materials to costs. Hardly a comparison. As far as bang for the buck well that is even questionable as well. As far as Mágico paying YouTubers I doubt that. By the time Jay produces this video I’d bet it has cost him quite a bit. 

Nice video of the Mágico factory. 

I think Magico is paying for its coverage on these web sites!

@J_A_L

Looking forward to your impressions of the Pilium electronics, if they are driving the M9's.

viber6

Right.  For the whole system including amps, the Stromtank 5000 is needed, at around $50K ...

Whoa, that's really wild. You might be able to get into a Tesla Powerwall for that kind of money. It's sure easy to see why some are exploring DIY options.

@johnread57 - Jay has not tried Pillium electronics, I recall him being asked on an earlier video.

@pennfootball71

I wonder if Jay has tried Pillium, I’m sure he has…

Pilium are the best amps I heard. The Achilles and it’s preamp. I liked them bette than Audionet Heisenberg amps and Stern preamp. They give you the advantages of sounding perfect…imagine a solid state amp with the liquidity of a tube amp and non of the drawbacks that never ever runs out of gas and all the advantages of solid state without ever sounding dry.

no other amps do this. Their integrated amps are also amazing and basically separates in one 220 pound box with 4 transformers. I am saving for the Leonidas and it is the best integrated I ever heard.

Viber,

What a short memory.....I have already described how I used my inverter for the front end and added the amp for much better sound (even though the bass was inferior due to the wimpy inferior 400 watt inverter being used).

I don’t think the Stromtanks are split phase 240V....which is what the Boulder needs. The Stromtank S2500 is rated to put out 550 watts continuous. The big Giandel system ($3K) can put out 3000+ watts all day.

My friend with the Gaindel system brought his Puritan 156 over to my house yesterday and I installed burned in Furutech outlets and Inlet using cryoed VH Audio wire. Here is his email I just received:

Short version after Furutech install: another big improvement due to the lowering of noise

greater purity of tone
timbre more beautiful but not colored
wider soundstage
great micro dynamics, harmonic shadings, instrumental shiftings
better focus
greater dimensionality


The above is from listening to vinyl only. And there are some negatives….I am hearing everything on the record, so any distortion/noise from previous plays, bad pressing, poor recording….all is only more vivid!!

One example: I have been using this Roberta Flack record (vocal, spanish guitar, bass, percussion, few strings) as a demo disc for listening for changes in sound quality because I thought it sounded good……and that was a mistake, because of how clearly I can now hear its poor scratchy condition AND its just so-so recording quality. Oh well….

I am now of the opinion that using a big Giandel Inverter with a modded Puritian 156, and a separate ground rod and Puritian ground filter are the most important things you can do to create a serious stereo. This super pure AC and grounding with more modest stereo equipment would beat super gear running on the AC with audiophile line filtering.....I have no doubt. Jay could add a modded Puritan after his Stromtank and his mind would be blown. I have decided to mod Puritans for those that want the best sound possible. You can never lower the noise enough.

Cleeds,

Right.  For the whole system including amps, the Stromtank 5000 is needed, at around $50K, my guess.  Nobody knows whether the power amp will benefit as much as low level electronics.  

In general, sources like DAC's, TT systems with phono preamps which are low power are the most critical component.  This is because whatever low amplitude powerline distortions are present, they are a much larger fraction of low power electronics than high power electronics.  If you try to thread a needle and you miss by a tiny 1 mm, you might as well be a mile off.  Still, it would be interesting for someone who owns a battery/inverter to do this experiment first with low power components, then add in the high power components to see if my theory is correct.

Jay, you can add your power amp to the S 2500, listen at modest levels so the S 2500 can handle the whole system, and then report your findings.

After several years of use all your power cords and the outlets/wall wiring will start to lose phlogiston. The result will be flat, uninvolving sound. You will begin to wonder where the "magic" went! Since phlogiston cannot be replaced the only solution is to replace all power cords, outlets and wall wiring. Don't forget burn-in to align the metal atoms!

My point exactly.... 

I don't believe WC mentioned anything about an arc welder.  Sounds like something someone has fabricated.  In fact, this whole A/C thing seems fabricated.  

Sorry, I'm not buying it.

Dave