My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


jays_audio_lab
@whitecamaross

Wow, the equipment is flying off the shelves - apparently the 509X is already gone. I’ve heard the 509X a number of times and it is really good, for what it is. I’ve heard it with TAD Evo 1s and there was nothing unpleasant but the sound stage collapsed compared to the TAD Evolution separates. And that would be expected at such a great price deficit. Don't get me wrong, the 509X is a really good integrated making beautiful sound and so pleasing to the eye.
In terms of speakers, so far I’m contemplating these:
b&w 800d3
martin Logan 15a
paradigm persona (not sure on which model)
wilson Alexia
Magico s3 mk2 

Hahaha. No raidho for me. Heard them before and they are just blah. Not my cup of tea. 
Im contemplating either speakers or amp/preamp options. Not sure yet. My luxman pieces are all for sale now and listed so once those are gone then I’ll know what I want to do next. 
I smell a pair of Alexandria coming soon. Or a pair of Raidho.

Just a feeling.
WC Intersting comment about you having to sign something with Gryphon to the effect you would not sell it on the internet.  I never had to do that when I purchased mine.  
Went from wireworld silver 7 to gold 8. 
I hear far more detail and smoothness. Less grain in the highs and less shoutiness at loud volume. Excellent cable. 
@whitecamaross 

You went from Wireworld 7 to Gold 8?
What model 7 did you come from???
What are the differences you are hearing???
The fun with integrateds is beginning. I am selling stuff off and only keeping gryphon. I had to sign something not allowing me to sell it anywhere online. Gryphon May be in my garage for quite sometime. Gryphon reads my thread here. They aren’t stupid but neither am I. They love to control the used market. 
I'm guessing the fun with integrateds is done.  I wonder how the Pass Labs INT-250 would have done?  Looking forward to what you have next  :-)

Dave
Just plugged in the new wireworld gold
eclipse 8 speaker cables and it’s a HOLY SH@T improvement without even breaking in.... wow im super impressed 
I am moving them out because I want to purchase something I’ve never tried. I got a chance to buy something at a great deal so I need to let them go. Someone will be extremely happy with these. After Rowland’s, this is the besr I’ve heard. 
Nothing was realized. I heard my monos with the 900u and it’s a superior experience to the Luxman integrated. More soundstage, more detail, far more separation and less congestion. Pretty much it sounds like the integrated but to a much more massive scale. Never run out of steam regardless of the load. Is it better than the Rowland 925 with the 900u? No it is not. The only thing I’d say it has over the Rowland is the size of the soundstage. It’s larger and nice 3D sound. 

Maybe that’s what happens when you realize 2 monos amps don’t really sound better than 1 stereo amp in your system. Or it ´s just obsessive compulsive disorder, I know I have it also.
UPDATE:
I have listed my M900U AMPLIFIER AND C900U PREAMPLIFIER FOR SALE. I HAVE 2 M900Us amplifiers as you know. I am making a bold move by selling them right away. Bigger plans are coming and these 3 pieces have to go!!
Luxman integrated will be listed soon as well. If you wanted any of these luxman pieces, go check out my listing for them!
I don’t think his taste is to the very warm side. Like me, he likes to listen loud and my experience is you cannot listen loud when your system or speakers are aiming just a tad on the bright side...even sometimes on the neutral side makes listening at loud  level for long period of times very fatiguing. Specially if you like brass like trumpet, or alto saxophone played loudly.
@david_ten 

If you re-read the entire thread I think you'll find that WCSS's tastes go to the very warm side of the spectrum. His bright might be your neutral but very musical.
whitecamaross,
Your written comments suggest clearly ( to me ) that you find both the Gryphon Diablo and the Luxman 509x excellent sounding with each having its distinctive character. Overall they occupy the same level of performance and will appeal to different types of listeners depending on taste.
Charles
i like the diablo. No doubt but I wouldn’t be heartbroken if I couldn’t afford it and had the Luxman. 
I have found my Diablo to be neither dark nor bright.  To date, it is has the most natural sound presentation of any integrated I have owned.  
You’re absolutelly right, every one has its own opinion, you have to listen by yourself and then decide. A bright sound doesn’t mean an amp is detailed, the Diablo is very detailed and revealing although very musical and pleasent to listen to.

Thank you @fabbe Your take is really helpful. I was planning on auditioning the Gryphon when I conducted the recent evaluations, but my trip to NYC to do so fell through.

riaa, I realize that these descriptors are personally defined / expressed and are also comparative to whatever gear and systems folks have.... what I was confused by was ’bright’ followed by ’dark and less detailed’...which usually don’t go hand in hand.
You can find some nice reviews of the Diablo 300 on Soundstage and Enjoy the Music. 

Luxman M900u amplifier has midrange to die for, it is meaty, tuby, has texture...the highs have tonal density and lots of resolution. Many audiophiles sold their tube big rig to replace it by that amp.
To me the Diablo is nor dark or bright, I think it respects instruments natural sound. If you listen to live music you’ll find out that it’s seldom bright, especially when you listen to acoustic instruments. some badly amplified rock concerts or badly recorded records can be overlly bright. I just find the Diablo to sound real.

I have read on several forums/reviews that the Diablo 300 sounds Dark so WC is certainly not alone in making that statement at all. I havent heard or read about brightness but not sure how many are listening at same volume levels as the OP.
Thanks. Which source did you find paired best with the Gryphon? And what was ahead of the Chord Dave?
@fabbe @dguitarnut Since both of you own the Gryphon can you comment on the following statement the OP made? (esp. re. source):

It can get a tad bright when cranked up. Source needs to be carefully selected with this piece.

Since the question wasn’t answered I have to assume that OP’s statement was based on a single source (maybe two).

OP then describes the Gryphon as:

Now the gryphon is sounding darker and less detailed


I haven’t read nor heard the Gryphon described this way.

The Gryphon Diablo 300 is a component I am interested in comparing my T+A PA 3100 HV to and your feedback will help. Thank you!
WC my money was on the Luxman.  It sounds like it more than held it own against Gryphon.  My bet the new Luxman you just received will be your all time favorite.
Yeah I heard the Mac 611 with all Mac front end paired with 30k Sonus Faber speakers and felt suffocated. 
Whitecamaross read your addendum  to Pass int60! Yes I prefer a more tube like sound  but don't want to lose resolution. 
Whitecamaross,

Yes they are both integrateds.  509x is an A/B probably  still  high bias  amp 125 w into 8 ohms. And the 590axii is 30 w pure class A. I have not so big room so going with the class A. Unless you heard   both and still recommend the 509x. Thanks!
Word on the street is that the new McIntosh 611/1.25kw sound terrible... hint hint...
Fabbe
That’s exactly as I describe my Diablo 300..........live music....all the dynamic range of the music comes through and it is a high resolution presentation.
The 590 AX mk2 Luxman has a beautiful smooth fluid hi-fi presentation....like a great stereo.....but not live. Had them side by side.
Yes.....the Diablo looks like well, like it came from hell....lol.
And the Luxman 590Axmk2 is a gorgeous unit, the heat vents are a work of industrial art.....and the controls,meters and buttons are very retro....maybe too old fashioned for me, reminds me of my old Receivers from the 70’s
The Pass Int-60 was mentioned. It was the integrated I pitted against a bunch of others. At around $6k street price it’s the best buy of all. And like the Luxman it’s a gorgeous sculpture at least for my tastes. It has a more tube like sound than the other 2 if that’s what you like. Also it’s made here in America and service is second to none in my experience.
YMMV .......disclaimer

Kw6: it’s not the integrated. It’s the 509x....
denon: thanks. As far as the finale of this show, they are already here packed in my garage. They landed here today. Luxman 900u monos and preamp. 4th owning this stuff but it’s the first time doing it mono.
I don’t expect the 9500 integrated to
hang with 45k worth of Luxman gear.
I expect the combo to attempt to take down the Rowland 925s if anything.

So yes the gryphon 300 and Luxman 900u are excellent. Both present different walls of sound. It’s almost like saying Lamborghini vs Ferrari. It’s about taste and flavor at that point. Bottom line guys, neither blows away the other. If your budget is 9500 then get the Luxman. Don’t feel bad for not getting the gryphon. You aren’t missing anything. The only time I can recommend the gryphon is if you have crazy hard to drive speakers. Something like rockports. For the money, the Luxman is better no question. But overall, they are both excellent.
Don’t get all worked up as far as what’s better. The only thing is the gryphon is certainly harder to get but so is the Luxman 509x. Both are just outstanding for little money.
PLEASE DONT CONFUSE THE LUXMAN 590 with 509!!!!!! 
now the esoteric k1 is the best component I own... incredible
I bought my Diablo about 3 months ago, and to sound it’s best it needs a long burn in period, about 200 hours. How does it sound? Well as WC said the sound is Hercules style, and it was ment to be so by Mr. Flemming, the mind and owner of Gryphon. The sound has to be like life music, it has to be dynamic as music really is! The bass is powerful and very controlled, the mids are natural, not fake and the hights are very extended and smooth. Zero listening fatigue, the soundstage is wide and deep if present in the recording, otherwise not. It gets very hot , and to me that’s not a problem. You have to consider that’s the first 10% of its power is in class A.
To me it’s an amazing amp, it doesn’t sound like hifi, but as real music!
Cheers

whitecamaross, huge thank you for sharing your findings in comparing the different gear. Its especially valuable that instead of saying something like its miles better; its in another league you actually provide with very specific and clear differences and details. Very helpful stuff.

When you have a chance can you give your opinion on the differences between Luxman c900u+M900u (stereo mode)  combo and 509x integrated.

Thanks!

Btw I am seriously looking into a 590axii! After high praise from  Whitecamaross!
Whitecamaross I urge  you to try Nordost  Leif line and up! I had wireworld 7 eclipse and my new Hemindall is better!
Good post techno dude. Both integrateds are stellar and incredible in so many different ways. Tomorrow I will be receiving the Luxman 900u amps and the preamp. First time ill be listening to Luxman 900u in mono. On Thursday I’m picking up the new wireworld gold series 8 speaker cables to try. 
Luxman ( founded in 1925) was making integrated when Gryphon wasn't even born. Luxman has expertise every audio company would only dream off. 
It’s a dog fight here between integrateds. I left both on all night long and I’m listening now.... things have morphed now that both were left on for over 24 hours. 
I concur with Charles.
 It's funny that a lot of people describe neutral like that and when it is full, natural, organic, as being colored and warm. Just because it has those traits doesn't mean it still can't be open, detailed, fast, dynamic, etc.