My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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Again Jay you were right...Two Luxman 900u’s easily outperform one. Wish you would be wrong one of these times. 🙄
Hahaha. Yes sir! 
I've been dealing with amplifiers for quite sometime and luxman is easily another animal in mono configuration. 
Bigger sounding, much better bass and grip on the woofers, deep DEEP soundstage and more of a holographic feeling. 
Wanna elevate luxman monos more? 
Get a pair of audioquest Dragon powercords for the amps and be blown away even more.  :) 
Jay, which would you take? A pair of Luxman M 900U or a Boulder 1160, assuming each with their respective preamp?
Just watched your videos, part one and two, comparing Boulder monoblocks with Gryphon Mephisto. First, I am not at all sure that Gryphon and Wilsons are a good match, Mephisto sounds different with big Gryphon speakers. Second, you compare stereo Gryphon to monoblock Boulder, that's not fair. And third, maybe something is not quite right with cabling, including power cord.
As you did it, Boulder is obviously better, closer to reality.
Gryphon is sleepy, has no resolution or pace and is doing some kind of 'tube like' sound engineering. It has no bite and doesn't draw into the music. It puts you at ease instead of engaging you.
Oh, forgot to mention. Both are far ahead of Japanese transistors. Who needs those, anyway, there is much better American and European stuff ?
Boulder 1160 or Luxman 900u monos? 
That's a tough one...I'd have to hear both again to really advise. My gut tells me boulder 1160 but the m900u mono is no joke...

Sorry Jay, but there’s a lot of negative comments regarding the Luxman M900U from previous owners. Bad bass and bright highs seems to be common. Possibly due to inefficient speakers? Some even go so far as to say it's mid-fi sounding.

For anyone lusting after one of these, make sure to put some effort into knowing it’s what you really want. IMO, for something that’s supposed to be so special, buyer remorse shouldn’t be this high.

One only needs to look at the Sold/Expired listings and view the forum posts (hifishark.com) and they’ll see a lot of these amps are resold within a year of ownership. That's a big hit on the wallet.

I’m sure it’s a fine amp, but no way would I look into getting one of these without hearing it first.


You could also say the same thing about pass labs, Bryston, etc.
Luxman sells a ton of these amps so the higher sales volume the more you’ll see on the used market. It is all relevant;
How many Mephistos have you seen on the used market in the last 3 years in the U.S.? (Not Europe). NONE. why?
1. Not many people own them
2. Not many people are willing to pay the big sticker price
3. Distributor protects the hell out of the brand so little to no discount at all is often what you encounter when buying gryphon.
I waited for 3 years to find a Mephisto on audiogon and I finally gave up. I had to buy one from Suncoast audio and I also had to order a Pandora Preamp.
Gryphon separates (especially their top pieces which aren’t discontinued) are costly and never cheap which is exactly why sales are far less than other brands.
Boulder is now doing what Gryphon is doing too. They are now forbidding discounts and even blocking sales for some dealers. For instance, if a dealer is working with a customer, boulder will email all dealers forbidding to work with this customer because there is already a dealer working with him. This basically stops dealers from competing against each other by discounting the line in order to make the sale. Boulder actually lost two big sales by blocking sales and they were fine with it.
The bigger brands are getting tougher and stricter in order to protect their lines. This is a trend that will slowly begin to roll out in the next coming months.
So essentially don’t assume that luxman being on the used market as any sort of indication of dissatisfied customers. It might also have to do with people not knowing what the they are doing when it comes to system matching or they don't really know what kind of amp they want: (neutral or sweet). 
Neutral amps are more demanding and will ask you for far more than sweet sounding amps. 

Ps: all luxman 900u are on back order until June.

  Me thinks he's just trying to drive the price down as he's bashing them in several posts across the forum. Just because somebody is moving on from them doesnt mean anything. I know sooooo many people that move on thru ALL their gear as fast as they change their underwear it seems.  Ive never seen ONE person with any credibility trash the M900U. FWIW
Wow...went back thru over a month of postings and no Viber comments. Where do I send the Flowers??  Guess I can start following the thread again without popping ADVIL first.
Get a grip Riaa...

I mentioned it once yesterday. Read the forums, plenty of people don’t like them.

Actually, I was thinking about getting one, but made sure I researched it enough and convinced myself not to.
When it comes to me, i don't dislike the Luxman 900u. As a matter of fact, I was thinking of bringing a pair of monos for my alexx until I was told they are on backorder until June...
I wanted to do the momentum m400 vs Luxman 900u monos. 
I don't collect any paycheck from Luxman by the way. I've always been vocal about how freaking good it is but I do understand that this hobby is subjective. 
Now you're talking Jay. Momentum M400 vs Luxman 900u monos is one face off I would love to get feedback on. DAG is on my radar as a next move.
Me thinks he’s just trying to drive the price down as he’s bashing them in several posts across the forum. Just because somebody is moving on from them doesnt mean anything. I know sooooo many people that move on thru ALL their gear as fast as they change their underwear it seems. Ive never seen ONE person with any credibility trash the M900U. FWIW
Wow...went back thru over a month of postings and no Viber comments. Where do I send the Flowers?? Guess I can start following the thread
again without popping ADVIL first.
Luxman M-900u is indeed good but nothing to really brag about.
After that 60 days of wowing it started to sounds boring, not at all neutral but colored on the warm side to make it sound a little lush.
However the C-900u is really good pre-amp, accurate and not as warm as the amps.
I tried 3 different amps with the C-900u, a pair of Esoteric M1, Vitus SS-103 and BAT VK-655SE, all sounds better then the pair of M-900u, didn’t expect the BAT to sounds that good but it did.
I realized then the M-900u were the weak link.
Please no dramas, just sharing my observations. 
Y,

All the amps you name are subpar to the Luxman M-900u, both in build quality and sound performance.

I trust WC in saying it is among the best, as he compared it to serious amplifiers...the cream of the crop. And his tests were detailed and presented transparently. You haven’t.
All the amps you name are subpar to the Luxman M-900u, both in build quality and sound performance.

I trust WC in saying it is among the best, as he compared it to serious amplifiers...the cream of the crop. And his tests were detailed and presented transparently. You haven’t.
Lol, unless you’ve all 4 set mentioned above at the same time which I did, I wouldn’t dismissed the other brands build qualities.
Luxman connection to the power iec is 18awg tinned hook up wire.
Again, I was simply finding which amps I thought were better not necessarily a control test.
They all have more grunts then the M-900u, thats 100% facts.
Momentum and critical mass video just wrapped up. 
I am in the process of editing so be on the lookout later this week. 
Are the momentum m400s better with or without the critical mass 1.5 footers ?  Or are they not all that with the momentum either? 
We shall find out... This next one is gonna be EPIC... go buy headphones if you don't have any...
Mephisto PLUS Artesania stand is just Woww..... Jeez...the 3d imaging is up, the bass is tighter and deeper and the smoothness is freaky...
You are about to hear a new Mephisto soon... 
I'll go on the record here, critical mass stand under Mephisto is not a match. Bad pairing. 
More thoughts to come soon !
good find jay. and glad to see good results for mephisto with the rack.have heard good things about artesania.

LOL. those cms footers dont work with boulder, m400.what on earth do they work well with.

and jay one Question.those CMS amp stand with boulder.did you notice an improvement or boulders were as good as they were on the floor earlier without the CMS amp stand
I don't remember how they sounded without the stand. Now I'm beginning to wonder...
Well.... One of my dearly loved amps has been sold...
I have 4 weeks to play with it before it goes to a new home.
Don’t be shocked once you know which one it is !
Jay
This is blind willgolf.  I can't go back and re-read your forum thread. I do remember at one point you had Block Audio Mono amps.  Do you remember them?   Thoughts?  How would they compare to Boulder or Gryphon or Luxman?  Thanks.
Jay's Worst of the worst

https://youtu.be/pcTcpY_vrRs

Hi Jay,

Just curious but when you auditioned the SF Olympica 3 what amp were you using and also what are your room dimensions? How far are the speakers from the front and side walls?  I have the O3 and they are musical, no fatigue or brightness, good bass (not outstanding) and sound very good in my room. It is interesting how we all perceive different components but room size and setup can play a HUGE factor. 

 Nice thread by the way :)  I enjoy your opinion especially the amps as I have found a couple on your list that I totally agree. 

Sam  
i had them in 2 separate rooms that were about 16 wide by 18 deep. 
Remember, i am comparing them to the speakers i have owned over the last 36 months which were pretty good speakers. 
Coming up today at  6PM Eastern Time:

Critical Mass 1.5 footers with Momentum m400s. This will be the final test of these footers with amplifiers. The format is the same as before which is 2 presentations, (one with and one without the footers) and you give me  your impressions as to which presentation you preferred. 

Thank you Jay for taking your time to present these 2 videos.
 
I preferred presentation #2. The vocals, piano and sax (in Liberty) sounded more clear and had a 'you are there feel' to them. Also decay of notes and vocals lingered in the room longer....not sure which presentation had the footers.
Jay, I have a Boulder 1110 preamp and just tried the stock power cord for the first time tonight, and I’m a bit dumbfounded by how good it sounds. I compared it with Audioquest Firebird Source cable and dare I say I slightly prefer the stock one. The AQ cable has a very huge soundstage but loses some transparency and focus as a trade-off, almost like it’s adding reverb to the soundstage.

I remember you also experienced really good sound with the stock cord on the 2110. What power cable are you using on the line stage now? Have you found one that bests the stock cable?
Haven’t found one that beats the stock cables on the linestage. I am still doing trials though.
For critical speaker listening I always play Annette Askvik - Liberty.  I think the sax solo at the end is super powerful  and really can define your amps or speakers.  Unfortunately, the sax solo was cutoff or not included in your video.  
So, i have a question for you all:

How many of you currently own 2 amplifiers (or more)  and why? 
i am interested in hearing your thoughts because i am planning to talk about living with a Gryphon Mephisto and Boulder 2150s. Each day is a battle trying to really dig deep and figure out which amplifier should stay and why. One day i prefer the Gryphon and the next day i prefer the Boulder. My mind simply does not let me choose and it becomes quite complicated to be honest. 
Please let me know if any of you own or have owned 2 amplifiers at once and why. 
whitecamaross
Please let me know if any of you own or have owned 2 amplifiers at once and why.
I own four high-end amplifiers. My system is biamplified, so I need two. But it's nice to have a spare on hand.
Definitely, at least two.

Reasons:
1) Like you said, different amps have different strengths, and great to have two for comparison sake.
2) In my case, I have one as a winter amp that really pumps out heat, and a class D for summer use that runs cool and provides a change of pace. Spring/Fall whatever I’m in mood for.
3) Especially nice in your case with one set of monoblocks and one single-chassis (I’d call Mephisto stereo but don’t want to get techno going - either way, single-chassis). Provides positioning and aesthetic flexiiblity - stand options.
4) Amps are your deal. No brainer to keep at least two stalwarts, and rotate in wannabes like the D’Ag.
5) It ain’t a "lab" if you only keep one : )
@kren 
i like your way of putting it, but i did not understand your second point above lol


@smodtactical:

Boulder 3,000 series are next level, but that is serious $$$
I loved your "Worst of the Worst". Our hobby would be in much better shape if we'd had a review industry with the guts to call out gear that sounds plain bad or even outright WRONG - instead they politely skirt around the issue or even pile on insincere compliments. So too many manufacturers have gotten away with making bad sounding gear for far too long. 

You now have more high-end experience than almost any reviewer, so your "worst" list is very meaningful, insightful, and entertaining. Only complaint is that the video took quite a while to get into the actual list. 

Also I'm still rocking the ARC Ref 6 I bought from you like 5 years ago - even wore out the 1st remote, on #2 now lol. 
Nice. Thank you for the feedback above!
Send that ref6 in for the SE upgrade. Makes a big difference!
I would love to hear riaa's response to the 2 (or more) amps and why question. I believe he has owned more amps than this whole thread put together.
Wilson Audio announced a new and improved Alexx to be released in March:  AlexxV

Not me Ron. I have 12 or so currently. Why??

1) I like to collect depreciating assets

2) I hate unused floor space

3)  When my heat pump goes on the fritz I stay warm by plugging in all my amps and using them as space heaters around the house.

4) When Jay gets bored with the Big Amps/Speakers and switches to Low Watt or SET Amps and appropriate matching speakers I will have everything he needs.

I could probably keep going for awhile.....

Hey hey lol 
Jay loves monstrous amps but as I age, i might begin to look into some Fyne Audio speakers or focal Stella evo (96db efficiency) and a low watt amp. No question about it ! 
Hello all,

could the OP or anyone else direct me to the page number where the Luxman M800a might have been discussed...if it was?