We are fortunate to live in countries that allow us to pursue financial success. I believe most of us on here has attained that to a degree that we are living relatively comfortably.
The Russian military is beginning to utilize all the massive firepower at its disposal. Since their offensive has bogged down, they are changing tactics. Their new tactic is to surround a city and shell it indiscriminately, inflicting as much human misery as possible. A rocket, missile and artillery shell doesn’t care if you are a soldier, old woman, or an infant. Neither does Putin.
When they unleash it like they did in Syria, it will be a humanitarian catastrophe not seen since the Second World War. Death and destruction on a massive scale.
Please, consider giving to a charitable organization to help.
We have so much. Give some of it to whom it will literally make a difference between living and dying. You will be saving a life. A life of someone loved. Just as you love.
unitedhelpukraine.org
This is the charity I used, but there are several more of your choice. International Red Cross, Save the Children, CARE, to name a few.
the main thing is not to buy options - you will definitely lose money!
And about the debt - you screwed up again ... as far as I know, Russia covered the Ukrainian external debt for a long time, Ukraine itself is a debtor ...
Until 1917, Ukraine was not on the political map of the world at all - the republic was created by the Russian politician Lenin (and this was a region of Russia) ...
but long before that - for many many years Poland hunted the inhabitants of the territories of present-day Ukraine and certainly destroyed them - that's why they themselves asked for protection from Russia and became part of it ... (I explain on my fingers)
True story as i multi task making yet another donation to free Ukraine..
when i ran a small factory making a mostly composite airplane, lets just say tge yearly budget $ number had a B in it, our Finance Director, a “ guest worker “ immigrant from Ukraine….was certainly very capable of much, including leadership…
I might also begin buying Russian bonds and donte them to Ukrainian causes. That would be an amusing hedge…if they remain at rock bottom valuations then no big deal. If they gain in value so does the power of the donation. It would warm my heart for a Russian debt to be repaid to the Ukrainian people.
And, allenf1963 is right about the willy nilly nature of the deletions being done. There's no rhyme or reason to it which leads me to believe it's not the mods (who are doing their best) but the usual members here, simply out for revenge.
I've been in chats on other sites where none of this would be taken down unless you were a troll, polluting the thread with disinformation that's already common knowledge. Very easy to verify. Those here wouldn't last a minute at those other sites.
I say leave it all up for the world to see and for us to take note of for the next time we encounter them. That way we can just simply ignore them. This is not a kids table at a family gathering. Erasing the history of these comments and the ones who make them gives them cover to hide behind since they rely on people having short memories.
Looks like this thread is in danger of being removed. I hope it doesn't happen. I have followed it through the noble responses and the ignoble ones.
My post here is to offer heartfelt gratitude to you for initiating this thread and continued pleas to keep it on track.
My wife and I have donated to a cause to help displaced Ukrainians. We pray daily about this horrific situation unfolding before the world.
I’ve posted no propaganda and I’m collecting nothing, only donating to the cause. This thread was initiated for the sole purpose to collect donations for the Ukrainian people, to ease their suffering. Full stop.
If a few Russian audiophiles want to start a thread in support of invading another country, then by all means do so. I promise I won’t post on it. Until then, please refrain from polluting a noble thread with a noble purpose.
Its truly unfortunate that some hop onto a thread and “contribute” with the sole intent to drive the thread into the ground, hoping beyond hoping to get the thread deleted. I do agree that moderating can be difficult although it doesnt have to be…moderating from the slippery slope is tough vs moderating from the high ground.
Your first comment is an obvious straw man, unless you are referring to posters other than @serjioand me. We have simply been responding to mainstream narrative propaganda with counterpoints and facts, which brings me to the second point. Moderating from "high ground" would minimally entail removing parts of your posts, and others, which include cartoonish propaganda.
Its truly unfortunate that some hop onto a thread and “contribute” with the sole intent to drive the thread into the ground, hoping beyond hoping to get the thread deleted. I do agree that moderating can be difficult although it doesnt have to be…moderating from the slippery slope is tough vs moderating from the high ground. I appreciate the effort and respect the decisions.
Once again, I appreciate that Audiogon allowed this thread and the fundraising effort to SUPPORT THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE. They are being illegally displaced, murdered and the human rights violations are stacking up and we arent even two weeks into this. I hope you will continue to give to the charity of your choice to support these people.
I agree with allenf. This haphazard censorship is ridiculous.
Look to banning members who consistently display bad behavior. If the moderator finds a particular individual whose posts are consistently or often on the edge get rid of them.
For me one member who has participated in this thread comes to mind.
I’m out of this forums any way , it is like Facebook and others which I likely never joined . Poor people who doesn’t read history . There is no future without history. Gooood by socialistic forum, and have a fun here.
"This thread is in jeopardy of being closed if the comments continue to be rude and off topic. "
Dear Audiogon Official,
To be honest, with the amount of Reply Posts that have been removed by either you, the OP, or other Members, you might as well delete this whole damn thread. I’ve seen Top Security Clearance documents from the CIA and NSA that had less censorship and redacted statements than the five pages of this freaking thread.
It is not just about politics. A big part of Russian population is completely fooled by the propaganda and many of them support this invasion. Imagine how many are they, it's not Just Putin. My wife and children are Russian citizens, my wife's father was from close to Kiev, she was grown there. Me, my wife and daughter were born in USSR i am Georgian (just to say 25% of Georgia is occupied by Russia since 2008). I would not be too much surprised of a small invasion of borderline regions of Ukraine but nothing like this. This is a global war against Ukraine! Ukrainians do need our help and support now (in all senses). I hope they will defeat the enemy and Russia may change then.
Typical troll response. If you've read this thread, then you read my reluctance to come back in and participate. Looking the other way might be the easy way out for you.
. My post is taken down for pointing out the trolls and this other crap stays up for all to read. Talk about censorship and freedumb of speech. Why is it one side is so hypocritical?
The fact that is, they will not stop polluting this thread so they can get it it shut down just to make them happy so they can continue living their miserable, conspiracy ridden lives.
Instead of leaving well enough alone so those affected by this can receive aid, they'd rather have it closed down and revel in their pain.
civil conflict is just the tip of the iceberg - a pretext...
the world has long become global ... and if the leader of a large country did this, then he has very good reasons ... (ordinary people are never told this on TV) ...
I personally doubt that there are independent media - they definitely don’t exist in America (the opinion of individuals will always lose to a large financial corporation)
This is the last thing Russians saw before Putin turned off the only two independent TV stations. The same thing was shown during the downfall of the USSR. I think the citizens of Russia know better than to believe what some are saying here. High speed rail service to Finland is jammed with Russians leaving for good. Soon there may be martial law so no one can leave. Ask any Ukrainian and they say, "wake up everyone, WWIII has already started."
That’s unfair to imply any ulterior motivation to anyone who has chosen to donate.
In addition, you dont believe 99% of Audiogon members could find Ukraine on a map? I respectfully disagree. With the exception of yourself, I happen to believe this forum is populated with broadly intelligent and generally knowledgable and kind individuals. Your stock continues to fall with each post...much like the value of Russian commercial paper and equities.
You sir, are on the wrong side of this subject politically, morally and historically.
I would never suggest anyone should do anything slavishly or remarkably dangerous. You seem to be itching for conflict...I'm not that guy nor or my positions deserving of same. A madman has invaded a neighbor, millions will be displaced, many will lose their lives or homes...lets help them to safety, keep them warm, feed and clothe them. Thats all...
If you want to debate Viet Nam, the Korean conflict, Iraq, Afghanistan, Beiruit, colonial atrocities, the Gulf of Tonkin....wrong forum, wrong thread, wrong guy.
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