From the inside out of my power cords I believe they are much better than the raw nano flo cable untreated. I have not gotten around to treating any of my ac power cord ends other than my projector. If it was possible for me to build a cable from the ground up then I feel the difference with treatment would be profound..based on the little I have done so far. Tom
Mitigating the Bubble
Today after many years of trials and tribulations I have mitigated a sonic aberration a horizontal phase anomaly in my center stage. While the center image was always stable and outlined it seemed narrow and bubble like and I would need to shift my body angle to really lock in the image. This was obvious on many CDs and LPs .
I have many man made fixes that helped the situation but never a total cure. Some of these are now permanent fixtures on the ceiling in 2 different locations. I made my own acoustic panels filled with long hair sheep's wool and 3 Argent Room Lenses. I have laminar flow lenses that focus and stabilize the image across the front stage. I have built and treated an acoustic fan that overcomes the boundaries with in my room by reducing interference. I have loaded my speaker cabinets 3 times with new drivers and now an outboard crossover. This was after my Essence 30s speakers and my Dunlavy SC4s. ..All my components are hard mounted and direct coupled to the floor...on rock solid racks and speaker stands, custom mono bloc amps each on their own stand. All of these devices and angles and positions made the image wider and more focused but I still had that little bubble and shift before me. Always less annoying with each new device and tweak.
So, your probably saying to yourself hurry up and get to the end. The end finally arrived today after having applied a contact enhancer 7 days ago to just 6 RCA ends out of many connections in my system. Today with a friend who has been here a hundred times sitting in the Chair playing the same music as usual he said there was a wider sweet spot. I despise that term but he said it and not me.What we both heard was a super stable center image that was a few feet wide and not just one. The bubble was gone. The head in the vise was gone. Off came the straight jacket and helmet. What I have now in this space intime is a glorious fully extended soundstage with all the meat on the bones and the features of talking heads on a real live performance stage.
I have probably used eight different contact enhancers over five decades but this one blows my mind. This product Nano Flo is the ultimate in transparency.
Tom
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@theaudiotweak do you believe Chris has been forthright? Simple question.
As evidenced by the claims that the Nano-flo power cord beats “$3,500 power cords”, Nano-flo is explicitly claiming that a nano-flo treated $5 Home Depot power cord outperforms all other power cords up to that price. Do you believe Chris is being forthright in this claim? |
Issy, you asked earlier if I heard differences after 4 days. I believe Tom said his settled down after 6 - 7 days. Some of my improvements were down to the DAC being more stable. On honky tonk women I never heard the brass so clear. It's a complex track with lots going on but it was laid bare for me to appreciate al the musicals threads that make up the track. |
Chris has been forthright with me about his claims for the gel. Several of us here validated his claims further beyond day 1 musical performance improved in all facets. If he were able to remove the insulation from the conductors, apply the gel and then re apply the insulators then for me there would be a high probability his cable would be better. My senses tell myself thats possible..Kool to compare treated as I desctibed with an untreated sibling. Sherrid2 Sympathy for the Devil travels much further down the side walls especially on the right channel.. Devil is in the details.. Tom |
@theaudiotweak You're av@ghasley 's questions, and with good reason, because you have no way of answering them satisfactorily.
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Do you mean the claims Krissy initially made? How would Chris know anything about audio efficacy (other than what someone told him) since Chris has no audio gear?
I've already said I take no issue with anyone using the now lime green gel on anything they desire. To me that's like accepting that freedom of or from religion is a peaceful and mutually respectful stance. This is your thread OP and I doubt anyone would have reacted any more than the usual contact enhancer threads. Then Chris chimed in.
Back to the power cord: Are you a candidate to purchase the Nano-Flo power cord? If so, why? If not, why not? Is it that you don't believe it beats all comers up to $3,500? Is it that you don't believe it works as advertised? Is it because of price? If it is because of price, at what price would you try it?
Lastly, you stated earlier in this thread that you had no business relationship with Nano-Flo, is that still the case? Have you received any accommodation whatsoever from Nano-Flo as this thread has evolved?
I guess I will just have to look for the guy with the white van in the parking lot at Axpona hawking hand-sanitizer-like gel with suspended nano particles...guaranteed to solve whatever the potential buyer might be subliminally thinking. You guys should be embarrassed... sheepish, about any association with Chris given the way he has handled this saga. I would cast a vote that the penalty for being complicit with Chris in any form would be a sentence that you could ONLY use the amazing Nano-Flo power cord on all of your gear for all of eternity. That'll show ya!
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Oh come on @tsushima1 , you didn't really think there would be any published test results, at least not that would stand up to any scrutiny did you? I admit it, I am clairvoyant predicting in previous posts there would be no test results. The gift runs in the family. |
@deludedaudiophile . Indeed I most certainly have not been holding my breath 😉, merely amused at the content of the proclamation. |
"After today's fictitious lab results it's now headed for industrial service only because you guys were mean to me and asked me questions about my claims that I can't back up, and when it transitions, it will not be publicly available. (Test results could not be explained because I didn't want to hear them and put my hands over my ears and went 'lalala', so my cables, enhancer and fuses will remain for sale until I pull them). Which means when none of this nonsense sells." xoxo Chris |
@theaudiotweak I'm not saying you did or did not betray Krissy...I haven't any idea. I'm just saying I get the idea from the various posts in this thread that Chris wouldn't have clue one about what the "contact enhancer" would or would not do for an audio system unless someone told him. He had no hands on experience evidently and admitted by him, he has no audio gear other than the factory radio which came in his Lexus.
You've been asked if you believe Nano-Flo Chris has been forthright. You have danced around the answer. You've been asked if you believe the power cord claims to be accurate. You have danced around the answer.
Chris posted a quick fly-by comment that resembles someone off their meds. He hasn't answered valid questions for measured efficacy, something he committed to do, about the power cord and as I mentioned earlier in the thread, what little credibility he had as a non-known entity hasn't received any objective boost by his behavior and avoidance of the questions.
He may be sitting on the edge of a swing bridge somewhere, comfortable in the fact that he doesn't owe me or anyone else any explanation or data about anything. He would be correct in that conclusion. I believe he is here on Audiogon having joined in just the last several days, trying to earn a fast-buck on unsubstantiated assertions. I don't take issue with someone who buys the power cord or the "contact enhancer" or even the off the shelf fuses smeared with the gel. Its all good. In fact, he at least seems to be learning from this demolition derby exercise: the reason he will remove the gel from the market probably has more to do with the fact that some are prepared to pay considerable sums for a treated fuse with less pushback than selling enough gel to treat a case of fuses. I also predict version 3.0 of the power cord will be out before he has shipped version 1 or version 2 to any actual paying customers. |
I answered your questions with explanations and not simply yes or no answers..Go back and cut them apart as you do with all my posts. Private message Just_ Krissy so she can explain herself and you can pontificate your point of view about me and then she can tell you watt I am all about on a personal and professional level. Tom |
Tom, would it be fair to say from your point of view that the contact enhancer is a positive addition to your listening pleasure and that the power cord might be a "bridge too far" and you won't be trying it?
@whitefishpoint1175 Not spending alot of energy on this but it does help distract from thoughts of over-snacking, which itself took the place of nicotine many, many years ago. |
Covid weight ... say no more, say no more.
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No hostility meant to any party unaffiliated with Nano-Flo. No hostility intended toward unaffiliated users of Nano-Flo products, Tom included.
Nano-Flo joined Audiogon and within seconds, hopped on to the forum and began marketing his new products by spewing snark and unsubstantiated claims about a power cord. He additionally denigrated the late husband of another and made untrue, crass and insensitive comment about thie person to whom I refer. I know none of these people and have never done business with any of them nor do I care what anyone does, tweaks or applies to their system.
Are we as a community to stand by and have these types of people just spew unchecked or unchallenged. Yes, I have made fun of the absurdity of Chris’ inital claims about increasing electrical conductance because he probably would love that the potential buyers out there had never seen him make his absurd claims. And about his power cord…LOL |
+1 tommylion and whitefishpoint1175 |
The mistake made by some here is to assume that because they disapprove of the personality, marketing methods, testing procedures and previous history of an inventor, then the invention must be invalid and the testimonials must be lies put forward by shills. That's a huge mistake, especially when that assumption is driven forcefully and repeatedly with no evidence and a complete unwillingness to investigate. +1 tommylion.
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No, I make the analysis the claims are invalid, because diamond is an insulator, then after I brought this up, the "inventor" tried to claim it was boron doped diamond which is a semiconductor which would still in a contact location be an insulator, and after that was raised, he tried to say the diamond balls were covered with gold .... it was quite obviously he was making it up as he went along. Then big claims about physical properties that a high school student could measure but which he had not. The previous history of the inventor was one of lying. That is a big red flag for me. It should be for anyone. |
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Early in this thread (or earlier) I gave some of my background which is solid state physics current working on materials science for batteries and previously semiconductors. I won’t bore you with my degrees. This is the problem when charlatans and good intentioned reference things they lack the background to understand. Diamond is an insulator. Detonantion diamonds even with a carbon layer, or gold surface treatment (they are working on that to improve lateral flow tests -- think Covid rapid tests), are still poor conductors. The conductive layer is thin compared to the bulk. Most of the conductivity comes from surface area, though in plastics you have different mechanisms. A more appropriate article to reference is this one: Conductivity of detonation microdiamond under pressure
Note that higher value is from absorbing water (hard to do in oil). Other studies showed even larger variation
Since you are educating me on nanodiamonds and conductivity, perhaps you could relate these numbers to how they compare to copper? Does it occur to people that there are people who understand these things in detail, certainly far better than some internet charlatan?
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deludedaudiophile, although nanodiamonds can assist conductivity, I am not convinced that the conductivity of nanodiamonds is particularly important for audio. I don’t even believe Nano-Flo is a contact enhancer. But I think it’s important to acknowledge that nanodiamonds are not always insulators, when that assertion has been the basis of your dismissal of their potential. |
I assume those numbers did not mean anything to you. Within the context of a contact enhancer, they absolutely are absolutely always insulators. Sans atmospheric moisture, they are for all intents and purposes, an excellent insulator. Even with atmospheric moisture, they are still about a Billion times less conductive as a bulk material compared to copper. I generally think of something a billion times less conductive than copper as an insulator. |
@whostolethebatmobile , stop trying to look like you know what you are talking about. In the very best conductor surfaces, you are talking surface roughness 200+ nm. With audio connectors, I expect 2+uM. Nanodiamonds are <10nm, so we are talking at least 260+ stacked to fill in the voids (they are round), and that is assuming 100% material, but this is an oil carrier with indeterminate active material, so who knows what you will get. What you won't get is any improvement in conductivity beyond maybe, just maybe, some whiping of an oxide layer, but ... for that you would be much better off with something larger and angular as these would not cut through the oxide layer .. it's a fail all around. |
Ah well, back to the Nano-flo. I had a little bit left and previously I had shied away from doing the dual BNC cables between my cd transport and dac due to the equipment tending to ’mangle’ the wire point slightly by moving the tip away from the central point. It needs to be in the centre in order to mate into the female end. I correct this by using a long flat headed screwdriver and placing it at the appropriate place to straighten the wire to its correct position again. Because of this necessary procedure I don’t tend to touch the BNC cables but as this was the only part of my music system left untouched I did it today. Not too much straightening required afterwards to correct the pins and the process went quite quickly. I turned the system on just to confirm everything was ok and music coming through both channels, which it was. Listened at low volume for about 15 minutes as I’m not a fan of turning equipment on and off quickly as it tends to shorten the life of the electronics. Even at low volume and playing music just for a short time the amount of detail coming through was great, too early to say yet what impact this last update has overall, more listening tonight and over the weekend. |
Elastic and mechanical softening in boron-doped diamond | Scientific Reports (nature.com) Notice what is stated about conductivity below.. Not all materials combos are as simple as they may seem.
Sheridd2 thanks for the updates and I will add my own after my guests leave this Sunday... Oh. the Kentucky Derby is on May 7 if any members are here in town send me a PM if you would like to stop over and hear my setup. Tom
Boron substitution in diamond modifies its physical properties, such as adding a distinctive blue color, best known in the Hope diamond29. Boron-doped diamond (BDD) has been widely studied on account of its semiconducting or superconducting properties at sufficiently high doping levels30,31,32,33. BDD retains the high thermal conductivity of pure diamond31, is inert to most chemical reagents, remains highly transparent over a wide range of the electromagnetic spectrum, and is resistant to high levels of radiation. These properties combine to make BDD an important material in potential semiconductor applications in extreme environments. Although the electrical and optical properties of BDD are well known34, and the compressibility of BDD is indistinguishable from that of diamond in volume-compression measurements35, the precise influence of moderate-to-high boron doping on the mechanical and elastic properties of single-crystal diamond has not been investigated. |
I will state my qualifications again with more detail. I have a PhD in solid state physics and work predominantly in material sciences and have worked in the semiconductor industry and now battery industry. If you consider that a call to authority, good, it was. Posting links to things you don’t understand and/or quoting things you don’t understand (and are ultimately irrelevant) are not moving this discussion forward. It is akin to all the Internet epidemiologists trying to justify their lack of being vaccinated by posting case rate data that demonstrated nothing more than their inability to put into practice basic math. All these posts illustrate is a lack of understanding of relative conductivity, and how semiconductors operate, not to mention a lack of effort and research skills to discover that boron doped diamond becomes a superconductor at temperatures <= 10 KELVIN, |
The callous cynicism of buying a $7 power cable, dipping the tips in a mysterious liquid, and then throwing it up on eBay for $1500, then "reduced" to $1000, to me says a great deal about the individual involved, and also sends up all kinds of other red flags concerning any and all claims made.
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Any schmuck can claim all kinds of qualifications, and cut and paste all kinds of stuff to prove how smart they are, on an internet forum. The fact remains that you have no clue what this stuff actually does, or doesn’t, do, in the context of a high resolution audio system. You could find out (assuming you actually have such a system), but, unlike most of us, you are clearly NOT here to share your actual experience with other enthusiasts and/or learn from theirs. |
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Correct mapman, but anyone with some basic research skills can research that boron doped diamond is not superconducting till <10K. Anyone can research the conductivity of detonation diamond nano structures and see they are vastly less conductive than copper or similar metals. They see the charlatan claim a 5mpg to 8mpg increase for a truck (maybe it was 5.5mpg) and do some basic research on vehicle contact and fluid friction losses and know that is impossible. They can learn a bit about thermodynamics and contact and fluid friction losses and know that his massive horsepower claim for a dragster is impossible. They can see his claim that the owner of a company died due to claimed carcinogen in his product and know that this is not a good person. They see the claim that he would provide test results be reneged on and know he cannot be trusted. They can investigate surface roughness of connector and similar contacts and make some educated guesses about what it would take to fill those gaps to improve conductivity. My statements hold up not because I have the qualifications to back them up, but because everything I said in the last paragraph is true and easily researched and verified. Some of it was easy for me because of my background so I see the numbers and know what they mean without further research, but nothing beyond someone determined to learn. |
When I am interested in an audio product, and considering whether or not to try it in my system, I look for reports from those who have actual experience with it. I’ve already seen the ads and marketing blurbs, actual user experience is what I’m looking for. That’s one of the main reasons I frequent forums like this. Yes, of course I need to consider the credibility of those who report the experience, as should anyone else. Comments and opinions from those with no experience, especially when presented in an unsolicited and obnoxious manner, are just noise. I know I am not alone in feeling this way.
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It is interesting you make that comment @theaudiotweak , Maybe you should tell nano-flo. Easy marks.
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And yet I show above where he claims part of the formula is diamonds ... imagine that. Do you have a patent number of a link to the patent?
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