Today after many years of trials and tribulations I have mitigated a sonic aberration a horizontal phase anomaly in my center stage. While the center image was always stable and outlined it seemed narrow and bubble like and I would need to shift my body angle to really lock in the image. This was obvious on many CDs and LPs .
I have many man made fixes that helped the situation but never a total cure. Some of these are now permanent fixtures on the ceiling in 2 different locations. I made my own acoustic panels filled with long hair sheep's wool and 3 Argent Room Lenses. I have laminar flow lenses that focus and stabilize the image across the front stage. I have built and treated an acoustic fan that overcomes the boundaries with in my room by reducing interference. I have loaded my speaker cabinets 3 times with new drivers and now an outboard crossover. This was after my Essence 30s speakers and my Dunlavy SC4s. ..All my components are hard mounted and direct coupled to the floor...on rock solid racks and speaker stands, custom mono bloc amps each on their own stand. All of these devices and angles and positions made the image wider and more focused but I still had that little bubble and shift before me. Always less annoying with each new device and tweak.
So, your probably saying to yourself hurry up and get to the end. The end finally arrived today after having applied a contact enhancer 7 days ago to just 6 RCA ends out of many connections in my system. Today with a friend who has been here a hundred times sitting in the Chair playing the same music as usual he said there was a wider sweet spot. I despise that term but he said it and not me.What we both heard was a super stable center image that was a few feet wide and not just one. The bubble was gone. The head in the vise was gone. Off came the straight jacket and helmet. What I have now in this space intime is a glorious fully extended soundstage with all the meat on the bones and the features of talking heads on a real live performance stage.
I have probably used eight different contact enhancers over five decades but this one blows my mind. This product Nano Flo is the ultimate in transparency.
As a customer of Nanoflo allow me to share some light on the subject from my experience.
I dealt with the lady in question, (not mentioning any names due to moderator aspect), who contacted me via a nanoflo.com email address.
I subsequently purchased Nanoflo via Paypal.
Due to being supplied the wrong tracking number by the lady concerned I could never see the product shipped. After several attempts to resolve this she eventually stopped emailing me.
I learned from here last Saturday the product was 'no more' and entered the thread to try to get a refund. At that point I checked my Paypal account and my payment had been requested by and went to Perfect Path Solutions, which surprized me as I knew that was related to her old company. I did receive a refund from the lady, after she asked me to remove her personal information from the thread.
On Sunday night I received an email from Chris telling me that the lady was supposed to supply him with the names of customers and that he had only received first names, no surnames. Additionally he did not know I was a customer as no info on me was supplied to him. He discovered my details from the lady email address account attached to his Nanoflo product. He has been helpful in answering my queries subsequently.
I'll allow members to make their own judgements on my experience.
Whichever way one looks at it, this contact enhancer malarkey is a licence to print easy $$$ as compared to manufacturing in the audio electronics market.
When he wrote, "It's the Perfect Path to Audio Performance!" and capitalized the words, he did use the Perfect Path name in an underhanded intent.
With the claim of a "food grade" base, it would have to be a mineral oil used on cutting boards or a vegetable oil, neither of which would be around for long on the metal. His claim of nano particles being forced by pressure into pits, etc, is dubious. With TC, the paste filled in the pits and voids left by the imperfectly round pins and barrels that make up RCA and XLR connections. TC was like a cold solder joint that remained soft and did not dissipate over time. As for it allegedly having had a toxic base, 'just don't eat it' was the common-sense advice.
Those who have heard instant improvements with nano will have to decide if it holds up over more than months or a year, and without an accompanying, detailed description, that power cord is a grift job, IMO.
Yes, it was when Krissy tried to talk Chris (nano-flo) out of trying to sell a cheap generic mass produced power cord for $1500, that he summarily dismissed her from any further business affiliation. Chris had an agreement with Krissy that she would be the seller and marketer of the product, and he would manufacture. She went ahead and spent hundreds of dollars of her own money to purchase samples from Chris which she freely gave to some of her friends (she obviously couldn’t give a hundred dollars to everyone in Agon) and almost everyone liked the product.
At least one at the time hadn’t tried it (Ozzy it must have been you) and another wasn’t happy with the prospect that it was not removable (because the particles aren’t easily removed once treated). I am not suggesting Chris deliberately lied about these two nano-flo recipients, however he wasn’t entirely accurate (probably not aware of all facts, as he severed communication from Krissy).
The nano-flo website had the price doubled after Krissy has the price disclosed to Agon members. This hereafter is my speculation: I suspect Chris doubled the price to make it appear to Agon members that they were getting a 50% discount.
But he then pulled the product used to DIY because (again speculation) members were guessing the ingredients and quite possibly got a little too close for comfort.
From my personal interactions with Krissy, I found her to be both a kind and generous soul with a good heart. There are unscrupulous individuals who take advantage of such gentle souls, both personally and business wise. I think it’s no secret who one of them is. And I am certain he is still reading this thread.
Are you proud of yourself? Such a small man you are to do the thing you did.
I take it back. You’re not a small man. You’re no man at all.
In my world integrity counts. And he won't be counting a penny of my money.
A sincere message from a forthright person. Thank you Tom.
On another topic, unless someone has explicitly agreed to have their words used for marketing purposes, they may withdraw permission to do so. So, if you are uncomfortable having a testimonial quoted on someone's website where they are seeking material gain you may withdraw permission by doing so in writing. As I have stated, I have not tried any of the products in this thread. I would however, given the turn of events, be willing to donate to a gofundme or similar to assist Krissy in retaining appropriate counsel or at least replenishing her finances that came about as a result of this unfortunate episode. She performed work and dedicated resources with the implication of a business relationship being in place. Evidence of the implied structure is probably contained in emails and texts.
In the past, I have retained an attorney for the sole purpose of ensuring that if someone didnt live up their commitments and pay amounts that were due and payable that they would at least need to spend the money they "liberated" on their own lawyers. I am far from litigious, I'm just intolerant of bullies.
I started this thread the nite before the business relationship fell apart. I was somewhat hopeful that the relationship would be self healing and the product would again be available to the public and be beneficial for the lady.. I was wrong and now wish I had the thread pulled and still may do so.
And yes, I think Krissy was taken advantage of because of her good nature and engaging personality and her kind relationship with many of us on Audiogon. That man used her as a market resource to actually test the product and to test its market acceptance in the audio field.
All of us who have dealt with Krissy have a lot of praise for her. Are you are telling us that this Chris, who I will not even bother to give my opinion on for fear of getting the moderators on me, is the individual who used her not just originally when her significant other died but again now?
I don't understand what you get out of helping this guy here? Do you believe that the increase in sound quality from this product (if any) is worth just ignoring that the purchase is from someone who screwed over Krissy twice?????
May I please publicly acknowledge and commend the tone and content of your posts. In each post, you have been patient, kind and constructive. Kudos to you as you are a gentleman. While I have never used anything beyond deoxit years ago, you have been forthright in your stated goals as I see it. Now, to your paragraph about how Krissy was treated, incidentally whom I’ve never met, I appreciate you writing briefly about the apparent chronology as you see it based on the information you have at hand.
I am appalled but not surprised that people do this to another. Since I have never had business dealings with her, I can only speak to how this episode appears to have gone down. Its none of my (our) business what Chris @nano-flochooses to do with their business but it IS our right to vote with our feet/checkbooks. I would not do business with someone who treated another in this manner. At a minimum, there should be compensation YESTERDAY to Krissy for her time and materials to date. Its cool to want to go in another direction, its not cool to ask someone who has worked hard to establish a niche to be used and discarded for personal gain. She appears to have been used to perform the proof of concept at her expense and then discarded. If someone does choose to purchase from Nano-flo, do so with the knowledge that money back guarantees are only as good as the word of the person making the promise. Additionally, the only presence Chris has on Audiogon has been established this month on this thread. If someone does do business with Nano-flo, I hope the Audiogon community remains very careful around any individual who joins the community for the sole and instantaneous marketing of a product for profit who treats others in this manner and has thus far been unwilling to back up promises with proof.
Krissy, we don’t know one another but I’m sorry when anyone is treated as you apparently have been. Best wishes to you. Tom, best wishes to you as well. Chris, you may have gotten out over your skis a bit too far. Its lonely at the top, its lonelier at the bottom and lubing a bridge doesn’t make you an audio manufacturer worthy of support. I, for one, pray for your continued silence in every way.
If they know the ingredients their would be no need, requirement or benefit to submit to outside testing by lab, agency, or government entity to determine, establish, or confirm the ingredients.
Its food Grade so its safe for the skin. No need for gloves.
Hi again. Could you let us know which independent testing agency has performed the necessary tests to make this determination? It would be great if you could post the results on your website, wherever that is.
Last first..Yes clean off all the pretreated areas before you apply a new material.
And yes, I think Krissy was taken advantage of because of her good nature and engaging personality and her kind relationship with many of us on Audiogon. That man used her as a market resource to actually test the product and to test its market acceptance in the audio field. Before he went full bore with the ramp up to production product rate. After the market reception he made the decision that she was no longer needed.... because of all the public statements made by me and all of you...He can just copy and paste the glowing words into his own lingo and print copy.
A transverse wave is a shear wave and common to all EM waves which are the start of all thing's audio. The the outer wound filaments are wound around a solid core. So, whether it is a solid core or twisted pairs or even Litz the wave starts as a transverse wave. Now if the treatment of the wire with a nano conductive material makes for an audible difference on a vibrating string, I don't know first-hand. It very well could make for an improvement in the conductive surface area by filling in the material voids reducing friction and building a smoother highway. The shear component would affect the attack and decay of the material and the resulting sound would be affected. Less friction between strands or wire rubbing together and kind of banging around at each other which generates more shear. Also less friction could also make for a longer lasting string. Some cello sets cost up to $290.00 and last up to 6 months if they are played hours a day..
What I do know first hand is this nano treatment makes an audible difference on all my contacts and wire which all work on the same EM principles.
Electromagnetic waves are transverse waves. That means the electric and magnetic fields change (oscillate) in a plane that is perpendicular to the direction of propagation of the wave.
And so the sound from your speaker starts as a EM wave. Transverse WAVE. Shear Wave as it travels the tensile leads to the voice coil and making the cone motion become a compression wave. But that motion also has a shear component to it..and part of that shear wave can create interference, more shear upon collision with other waves and other solids. WE hear these collisions of shear because the air comes in contacts with these solid surfaces in motion...We hear these improvements, a reduction in shear collisions as a sound as less confused and with greater continuity and purity ...Cleaner more transparent less noise. Add your own adjectives. Hear. Tom
There is an Australian word, which is also a word in US (english)… that is rarely uttered in mixed company to describe a person that exhibits that behaviour.
I believe it begins with a “C”.
Often prefixed with “Entitled”, “Mongrel” or other modifiers to denote the level, magnitude, or quality.
Krissy, formerly of Perfect Path, was involved in the introduction of this product and went so far as to purchase samples to give to others for free, assumably because she either felt or had an agreement with the maker that she would be part of this venture.
And then she was summarily kicked to the curb by this Chris person.
My question @theaudiotweek is how does resurfacing the outside of the string alter in any meaningful way, the internal friction caused by the primary wave splintering off perpendicularly as sheer waves, within the string?
@sheridd2- please send your payment back to the person who sent you the money.
I say that because there's already been enough dishonesty, no, not by you.
G'day thecarpathian, it's been a while mate.
When I looked back again at Tom's (theaudiotweek) discussion on shear waves, one of the first things I discovered was that shear waves don't occur in liquids or gases. This lead me to consider that it may have some relation to young's modulus and friction?! Sometimes the obvious guess is correct.
A very simplistic answer to a query of the relationship between Young's Modulus and Shear Modulus I understood quickly:
Another way to define the concept of shear modulus is by the use of the word “friction”. The best example might be to consider a pair of sneakers that are either too tight or too stiff. They run up and down on the back of the heel, eventually leading to a shearing injury, which on skin is seen as a blister. The extent of the sheering and therefore the blistering may depend on how long the shoes are worn, the type of motion and some other relative factors. For instance, a person who is running on a hot, summer day may see a lot more friction damage than a person who is just walking on a spring day.
As air is not a conduit for shear waves, according to my readings, the interactions between a guitar string and air will not produce shear waves.
There will be an interaction with the primary wave, where the Young's modulus (elasticity of the string) of the string will deform and return to it's static form under tension, and sheer wave or sheer modulus will be internal and against the frame holding the string
My question @theaudiotweek is how does resurfacing the outside of the string alter in any meaningful way, the internal friction caused by the primary wave splintering off perpendicularly as sheer waves, within the string?
I ordered the larger size that is supposed to be enough to do everything I require, but it’s a tiny plastic bottle. I opened it to see what it looked like inside and now the bottle won’t reseal properly, seems like very poor quality packaging.
Chris, Nanoflo, has reached out to me and has been very helpful, so far.
I emailed Chris with a photo of what I’ve been sent, awaiting his response.
Yes p waves travel fastet than s waves. But s wave can be split upon impact of a solid surface and travel in another direction and split at another boundary. Their schizophrenic shape changing is difficult to follow but fascinating. Not sure of the energy content butt the p wave should be more powerful in the line of fire. Tom
But shear waves have dual polarity and travel thru solids . If you have an impurity in that solid the the wave will split again upon impact and go off into 2 new directions. If you have a change in geometry the shear can change direction again. Every material and shape has a different shear velocity and it can be different on the outiside versus the inside and then altered by contour and shape. Tom
@theaudiotweak- where did you get your free trial of nano-flo from, more specifically, who sent it to you?
Regarding P waves vs S waves, which has more energy the primary push-pull wave or the secondary sheer wave? I ask, because assuming E = mc2 holds true,
and P waves are approximately 50% faster than sheer waves I’m betting the primary wave has the higher impact.
@sheridd2- has your product arrived yet sir?
I sincerely hope you like it? Please be aware only the tiniest amount is required, this stuff is quite tiny and therefore the little you have can go an extremely long way. Would I be correct in assuming that Krissy personally took care of the refund (out of her pocket), and nano-flo sent you nothing?
Compressive waves generate shear waves when they impact a solid like drywall and take off from there and run wild till they impact an other solid and generate more shear waves or somehow dissapate. Tom
A polarity of shear can return to the source of the original signal or wave launch such as a speaker cone. A polarity can travel the cone surface and be deflected by the next cone motion or hits the surround or frame or cabinet. Some of these shear polarities can return down the cone and impact other waves traveling up the cone generating interfering energy.
Same happens in all solids and shapes..your drywall your glass windows your flooring and the contents and shapes of your room generate more shear with new directions. Tom
I make parts for string instruments and I was the one that said this treatment may benefit the strings of instruments. I dont know for sure but want to find out. Most strings as do speakers operate partially by shear transmission. If shear wave interference were reduced on strings then you could have cleaner sound. Methods to reduce shear transmission on speaker cones result in better sound. Tom
You say it's a great conductor; what if you applied it to, say, an orchestra conductor.
Would it make the conductor conduct better, or just make him a slippery mess, or both? If he fell into the string section (because he's so slippery), would the string section get better sound from their instruments if he got some on their strings?
These, I believe are questions we are all collectively wondering about...
@ozzy- After Krissy paid for samples of Nano-flo and had friends try it on their systems for free (at her expense), she was promptly removed from any sales position, after the cost doubled, so that the middle-man wasn't in the "business model" anymore. It's the use and shaft style business model that has become kind of common.
I am sorry you weren't aware of the new in house built nano-flo power cable, which has been reduced to $1000.00 from $1500.00 by Mr Nano-flo Chris. You could have purchased four at this price compared to your Dragon (incidentally, how long have you been chasing this one? Ha).
I still have about a 1/2 bottle of the NPS 1260 product. I have been really impressed with it. My whole system has been treated with it.
A while ago Krissy did send me a sample of the new product "nanoflo" that has been discussed on this thread. I have not used it yet, I am waiting on a new power cord to try it on. BTW, Not the one mentioned in this thread.
I am wonderin’ if this new "nanoflo" product can be applied on top of the NPS 1260? I hate to remove that stuff.
Also, what happened with Krissy with the nanoflo?
This has been a very strange roll out of a new product.
I have nothing to do with Chris or his product Nanoflo.
I was sent Nano flo to try by Krissy the lady not Chris the man.
Krissy trusts my ears and values my input and she is no longer connected to this product. I started this thread and 1 previous that was deleted prior to this one. I support this product only and not anything else connected to either Chris or his cables. As far as the joke comment goes ..there are many jokesters on this forum. Those who won’t read all the comments. Those who make harassing and disparaging comments about products they have never tried nor ever will. I catch backwash from people here about my comments of products I use or have created. No fuses just magnets no isolation just direct mechanical coupling ( Isolation can only exist in the absence of matter). Laminar flow devices augmented by my acoustic fan design..No joke here. I try not to be trapped or constrained by conventional textbooks or thoughts.
I have designed products that you can see and read about on my site only
Tone Acoustics.com
I am associated with Sound Stage Audio .com makers of Audiopoints and Sistrum Platforms and The Energy Room. A room that is truly direct coupled to Earth as nothing can be truly isolated. Tom
@theaudiotweakI recognize that you are likely only trying to help @nano-flolaunch his new enterprise. That's cool and very nice of you.
It would probably elevate his credibility (and yours too, the extent of which I wouldn't dare predict) considerably if you were to let everyone know if you have any financial interest, past-present-or future, in the success or failure of these products. You two can understand can't you? You can understand why a community of audio hobbyists might view the power cable with a great deal of skepticism right? It closely resembles cords that virtually everyone here has discarded. I've joked with friends that power cables similar to these is akin to a fruitcake. There is only one in existence in the world and it gets included in each box every time a piece of gear is sold. LOL.
A claim of "improves conductance" has been made. I'm just curious by how much and how do you know? Measured? Did you "hear" conductance improve? What does that sound like? Listen, I'm sure everyone here is sincere and honorable. But the handling of the rollout has been "clumsy"?
So, you will be at Axpona @nano-flo? Working? Attending as a paid attendee? Demoing? In which room? I'll swing by and listen. If you aren't part of the show then...
They won't treat a thing they cannot comprehend. Joke is on them.
Tom
And Tom, if you do happen to be "advising" Chris I'm not sure which of you is benefitting from comments like these. It's almost like watching a slow motion train wreck. If you put it on a public forum, people are free to comment.
I usually sit on the sidelines when the topic ventures into certain territory. People are free to believe and try whatever they want. With that said, the principals should back up claims that should be verifiable with the data they relied upon to make the claim. You say conductance is improved, please communicate how you know that. If Yo-Yo Ma coats his strings with it? Say so. But this stream of consciousness, make it up as you go along like method likely won't make Harvard Business Review. I will remain as open minded as I can but, absent any pre-launch conductance data, I believe the audiophile (note to self when starting an audio related business, its audioPHile, not audioFile) community may be merciless.
You can treat your own cables when I release the contact enhancer again, hopefully next week, just look under the power cables. I need to get back to work now, so forgive me for not responding until after AXPONA.
@nano-flobefore you check out to prepare for Axpona, I would really appreciate the data on before v after electrical conductance improvements. Since that is measurable, I believe it could really help your momentum going in to Axpona!
You can treat your own cables when I release the contact enhancer again, hopefully next week, just look under the power cables. I need to get back to work now, so forgive me for not responding until after AXPONA.
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