You and yours truly likely won't be around for the worst of it.
What a Wonderful Legacy.
What a Wonderful Legacy.
@glupson...no...;) 'Course, that hinges on how paranoid or straight-up concerned you may be over what's being reported, warned about, or nay-said about the issue.. My 'take' (or 'HO', be that as it is...); it'd would seem to be 'intelligent' ("Supplies are limited! Order NOW, or miss the opportunity!") to engage in a response that just might make a difference.. Now, to some poor snot in an Indian slum (who may not view it as such; to them, it's Home....), climate issues may seem light-centuries from their daily drag.....but, responding to what 'perhaps' seems to be pending would seem by the major global 'communities' to be a 'good idea'....'just in case'....'not a bad idea'....:( One would like to think that leaving one's children knee-deep in rising coastal water while the temps are acting like a yo-yo between storm and drought with all the bee's diseased or dead...and everyone acting like an armed militia, ready to pop a cap into anyone that lets their dog poop on their lawn... (Yeah, I know I'm being a tad 'extreme'...but actually, I can 'crank it up' more....'Nut-Case Level 11' IS within my scope of trope....) Here's one....The aliens arrive...(Not the South Americans....'Them', y'know....'off-planet tourista'...)...to find the cockroach is now the 'fittest survivor'. Us? DinoDirt. OMG.....you might have to forestall buying that new $15K amp! How unfair is that?! The 'off-worlder's' would have to not have the intrinsic and unique experience of hearing your collection of dusty LP's..... Leaving them with.... "Humans....*tsk* what a waste of protoplasm... they may have been fun to hang about with.... Oh, well. Let's strip mine the place, and move on to the next system..." |
This just in! Let’s not call it what it is. Well, that’s just great! So, now Sec. Treasury is the spokesman for climate change? “Let’s call it an environmental issue and not climate change,” U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said on a panel Friday at WEF. Mnuchin was asked how climate change — a key theme at this year’s WEF —would impact the global economy moving forward. “It’s one of many important issues,” Mnuchin said, adding that he believes technological advances over the next 30 years may help to solve climate-related challenges. |
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Glupson we are all in this situation of humbly admitting this fact about truth, you are now like those which are of good faith in the perfect place to appreciate truth... Think about this: who pretend to be smarter than you and pretend to understand what is truth? The great American philosopher Charles Sanders Peirce, defines truth in his pragmaticist philosophy by claiming that we recognize a concept by the cumulative working of all of his effects...Like in Christ paraboles we recognize the tree by his fruits...I dont know what is truth, but truth encompasses and includes us all because truth may be the fruit of our action also.... Now before being a clown or a guru, I dont know which one I am already, but one ressemble the other, I will say nothing for sometimes now.... My best to you my friend... :) |
Hell I say if we have to look at opulence on full display everywhere then why not have to see the downtrodden as well? Maybe as a society we can learn to be more compassionate. Especially to our vets and those who suffer from mental illness which makes up a large majority of the homeless population. |
So, we have to be open to something that cannot be owned and which is unique and unobtainable that will lead us to something no one can see.Glupson,it is difficult to be clearer about truth than this post by Nonoise, but I know that many like to mix and confuse the concept of truth with some facts, reducing some peculiar fact to truth, or truth to choosen fact, relatively to their needs... Those cannot understand truth and dont gives a dam about understanding it...They already know it well for their purpose and they use it...That’s all...Truth is what someone in power decide what it will be, like not so long ago the representative of some president says it is...Some not in power want to be in power and only use the so called" truth" to bend the mind of others... I am not religious at all, but I like Christ paraboles , and Nonoise words are the definition of Christ Kingdom of truth....It is also the Buddhist definition of pure consciousness...By the way it is my definition of the act of thinking in his essence...The great chinese philosopher and seer Lao-Tseu call it Tao...Is it necessary to name other names? :) In a word truth is always a discovery and always new.....Never a fact nor an object, nor an interpretation... Christ said that truth will free us...He was not a small guru imposing the will of his petty mind... The truth about which he speak is the think we must look at inside of us and in the world.... |
Don’t want to look at homeless people? What should be done about it? Should big government step in and regulate the situation? I thought you guys were against big government with their rules and regulations. You think the cities caused this problem? Where should they move them? Who decides? Who pays? This is the face of untethered capitalism, big winners and big losers. Cant have one without the other. The funny thing is the 1% looks at you with the same disgust you look at those homeless people defecating in the streets with. To them your just another rube soaking up resources and bringing nothing to the table....until they need your vote. I suspect the melting pot’s getting a bit too melty these days. MAGA!!! |
Even Einstein thinking he was right against Niels Bohr listen carefully and respectfully to the arguments of Niels Bohrs in the complex matters of microphysics...Just an historical example of discussion between right and wrong in science... In climate and politics, which are matters more reflective of society’s choices, dialogue is mandatory, because truth is not property of right or left parties.... Facts in atomic sciences are measured by numbers, and can be reduced to numbers; in social life all facts are always "interpreted" facts, not by children claiming they are right but by thinking adult discussing, and conscious that truth is between them but not belonging to them....I apologize if I seem rude but how to say things directly? My best to you and thanks for this thread where we all learn to discuss... |
:) No offense at all... Your line is not only very good, spiritual, but absolutely exact...Your understanding is for me a great pleasure....Your line reflect what the human spirit really is... Only dogs or crowds look for something they can see, owns, manipulate or eat or copulate with.... Thanks to put something light in my too much seriousness... I confess that I am not a subtle and always light spirit... My best to you indeed... :) I really smile.... |
It is impossible to convince someone with facts or logical arguments...In fact it is impossible to convince no one at all, except those which own a spirit open to the truth...Because it is always the truth that convince us never someone... And truth is no one property...It is a personal and collective unending quest...Truth is a direction toward which no crowd can ever look at... It is already difficult to be civilized discussing audio hobby...Imagine a subject so complex that we must think really about it to understand it a bit...Do you think that many here will admit that by them selves they dont have a clue? They cannot because they are no more an individualized spirit, they are all each one of them by himself a crowd, no more someone unique looking for truth...They are behind a flag, in the proper sense or metaphorically... For example climate matters are really, really complex subjects integrating dozen of sciences, not only climatology...Actually climatology is even linked fundamentally to the astrophysics of the solar system... Then do you think that someone who read even a good press if that thing exist can understand what is at play now? No, not at all, most will adjust their nose to the wind like animals in fear and their opinions will only reflect that direction, nothing else....There is really great changes in earth and humanity now, and we must think about that, and act, in one spirit turned toward the truth...Not toward the flag of an idea, or a country, or of a group of interest, or a lobby....Toward the invisible flag of truth.... |
I don't understand why we are talking about people cleaning up poop in SF? And that article is misleading $112k is in benefits not actual pay. Northern CA is a victim of its own success in terms of the housing and homelessness crises no one argues that. However it was success based on a progressive state and local government. Contrast that with say Kansas where former Governor Brownback who kept lowering and lowering taxes and destroyed his states economy. |
What I don’t understand about many of the "informed" here is how and why they direct their ire to those to the sides of them and to those below them when the perps who are behind their misery reside above them. Loyalty to an abstract in the hopes of someday rubbing shoulders with them or deluding themselves into thinking that someday it will all be theirs as well confounds. Homelessness is a natural and predictable outcome as the inequality gap grows. Estimates of the working homeless in LA is around 50%. These are people who hold down jobs but can’t afford housing, let alone rent. They live in their cars and motorhomes, or if lucky, crash on a couch or floor of a friend. If a living wage were paid, that would solve that, and it would cut down on taxes (for food stamps, housing, etc.) that we shouldn’t be paying to subsidize companies who refuse to pay those living wages. Talk about takers. All the best, Nonoise |
I guess we shouldn't mention that homelessness in rural Texas has increased 33% in recent years. It isn't just a problem of large urban areas. It isn't a left or right, us and them problem. We can't find some marginalized group we can rant and rail against at a political rally.... well except for a certain narcissistic orange buffoon. |
dog·mat·ic /dôɡˈmadik/ adjective inclined to lay down principles as incontrovertibly true. This is a very common thing. Even in audio forums where some insist certain products they favor for whatever reason are the best or the right solution for everyone all the time. Dogmatic people tend to have low tolerance for anything or anyone that exists beyond the limits of their own limited personal understandings. Everyone's understandings has limits (except Geoffkait's of course). It’s all laid bare for all to see on most any internet forum these days whereas it existed off people’s radar screen to a much greater extent prior. Watch out! |
What Henny Penny's rant doesn't mention is that it is only 6 members who have that job and the salary I quoted for a street cleaner was correct. Because of the hazardous nature of the job, they get that pay. The way he says it, one would get the impression that public employees are all making that kind of money. I'd love to hear him rant about corporate pay. Imagine if Reagan never started us down this path. All the best, Nonoise |
Henny Penny strikes again. :-) https://www.businessinsider.com/san-francisco-poop-patrol-employees-make-184000-a-year-2018-8 |
When during your entire life you were pursuing any political agendas instead of truth, the toll on your brain function add with times passing, believe it or not, this is science, and senility dont arrange anything... My advice is : meditate about truth, dream about truth, think about it, but dont give to truth any name especially not the names of you best idols... Tremble and fear that the day may come that you will not care enough for truth... How do we recognize truth? Simple : truth will not spare your superb and pride, nor your intellect and ideas, neither your actions...Truth will not name itself :"hello I am the truth and I am your friend". Truth is an energy like love without name...When we name them it is for our own sake, and then we betray love and truth... After that meditation, left-wingers, and right-wingers, will appear like they always been : voluntary puppets responsive for the disease of their mind... Sorry but sometimes we must clearly speak our mind... My best... Truth and love remind me of 2 snowflakes, all are totally unique, individualized, pieces of matter arranged by the same geometrical symmetry betraying the ultimate oneness behind all...Then snowflakes remind me of truth and love and with this hexagon inscribed in the circle the circle is completed... |
@djones51, you beat me to it. It seems that Henny Penny gets all his facts from somewhere behind him, like that $80,000/year street cleaner. It took all of two seconds to google it and the starting pay for an entry level street cleaner is $32,427. In a perfect world, getting a 3% raise every year would take you 31 years to get at that salary. Hell, while you're at it Henny Penny, check out the streets of LA or any city and you easily spot the homeless. On my morning walks I see the same faces, year in and year out; homeless encampments that last for several months. There used to be facilities in place to deal with it but you have Reagan to thank for that. Considering that about half of the homeless are veterans, we should be ashamed. https://www.sfweekly.com/news/the-great-eliminator-how-ronald-reagan-made-homelessness-permanent/ All the best, Nonoise |
There used to be an affordable system in place for the downtrodden and mentally ill people. The great depression dictated the need. Right. Downtrodden and ill only came into existence with the Great Depression. Before that was all wine and roses. Paintings on cave walls in France from 50,000 years ago show people gathered around vast dinner tables as buffalo and lions peacefully offer themselves up for the feast. 3 million year old hominid fossils are often found with their fire building tools and universal health care cards. Sorry. I know that’s not very good. Trying to be equally nonsensical. Close as I can get without space aliens. |
1965 Medicaid and Medicare is passed people living at home are eligible for benefits those in hospitals are not states start releasing patients to reduce costs shift it to Federal Govt 1967 Reagan cuts 2600 jobs and 10% of the Dept Mental Hygiene in CA. There are 22000 patients in institutions. 1967 Reagan signs LPS Act patient care outside hospitals is underfunded and woefully inadequate. 1973 Paitients in CA mental hospitals has dropped to 7000 1975 Supreme Court rules on O' Connor v Donaldson 1980 Carter signs Mental Health Systems Act to help states financially return some responsibility to Federal Govt 1981 Reagan repeals most of the MHSA in favor of block Grant's federal funding of mental health goes down 2004 DoJ estimates 10% of state prisoners meet criteria for psychotic disorder History |
You'd think they would do something to cure climate change, like outlawing plastic straws. Oh wait ...!!! Right. You really should use the full quote though..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DlYD6I7qBs |
Thanks for the lesson in history... I was indeed surprized that Reagan had signed that... He was only constraint by political context, after all nobody see him for lead actor role in "One flew over the cuckoos nest" …. And certainly not a thinker in health care... :) And by the way like climate changes solutions or facts, understanding of (de)institutionalization is complex matter that is better not to deal with in cheap ideological debate...Or in an audio thread about snow … :) I apologize for my big gran of salt...My best to you and to all... |
Right, that’s the mantra of the deluded Left. Here's the facts. https://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-patients-began.html https://onespeedbikerpolitico.blogspot.com/2011/01/revisionist-history-meantal-health.html Revisionist history is nice ... unless you actually lived it yourself. Frank |
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Seriously, it is better to keep the subject around audio, or spiritual friendly matters... Otherwise, who knows where we will go? I control already myself with difficulty...How about the others? Intelligence is like Hi-Fi sound, it is not all there ready made out of the box in the beginnings, we develop it, we increase it, using it, by controlling the embeddings of the electronical components of the audio system in the acoustical-electronical-resonant field of the room, like we develop, increase, and control our intelligence throwing it in books and reflections in the world against ready made solutions and ready made ideas or opinions.... Ok, not a perfect metaphor at all, but I have tried.... :) Then back to audio stuff, or snow... :) Snow and all around snowy matters is beautiful subject....The hexagonal symmetry haunted me all my life...I know that the secret of the universe is linked to that in a way …:) More than that hexagonal design isolation is good for containing sound and resonance....Another link to this secret of the universe.... I am serious this time.... Like said Groucho Marx : " Stupidity is perhaps my vocation, but no more my daily job" |
Doesn’t matter by the 1980’s Reagan took the model nationwide, that’s a good jumping off point for the decline of the middle class and the resurgence of the John Birch Society or Moral Majority and various other right wing looney tunes. It was Lee Atwater’s heyday before he got cancer and a conscience and blew the lid on all the shenanigans they were up to. We all got trickled on. |
The fools are released from asylum ? Damn LPS act, another reason...I will sell my property in L.A. tomorrow... For those who shit on my boardwalk, I will use my guns, I use them already on my property against dogs ...Oups, no need, I forget I has decided to sell my property.... :) And in my life I had never steal anything around few bucks and for what?... Eat?... I prefer greater amount of money...Legally is better, you know what I means ?... :) |
San Francisco the city of liberty? Yep, it is perfectly legal to take a dump on the sidewalk, no problem, no ticket, no arrest. However, if you fail to pick up after your dog, you are subject to a $350.00 fine. Where does all of the human waste go? Why, it is washed away with power washers manned by people making $80,000 dollars a year to do the job. It washes right down into the street drains, into sewers and then out into the Pacific Ocean and into the Eco-system. Want to shoplift in San Francisco? No problem, just don't steal anything with a value over $950.00. Over that amount and you will be charged with a crime. Under that amount, you are good to go. Petty thefts, car break-ins, and other property crimes are at record rates as a result of the San Francisco Do-Gooders and their convoluted ideas of fairness for all ... even to the point of keeping the mentally ill on the streets instead of in hospitals where they can get the necessary care for their ailments. Then there is the warm human compassion of releasing illegal alien felons back onto the streets to kill other people. San Francisco the city of liberty? Yep, for everyone except the law-abiding. You'd think they would do something to cure climate change, like outlawing plastic straws. Oh wait ...!!! Welcome to San Francisco, the Utopia created by those who know better than we, the great unwashed; the ones lacking the master's degree in philosophy and the doctorate in women's studies. Welcome to modern-day San Francisco, created by the very same deluded ones who are telling us that the lights will go out in twelve years. Frank |