Lack of Female Representation

I nominate MC for both Fox News hifi and chief virtue signaling correspondent. 

Virtue signaling? rilly? I thought it was a simple question why more women weren’t into high end audio. 

My Mother loves music for sure and has a nice Mid Fi system. Moon by Simaudio ACE, Rega P3, Audiolab CD transport and Sf Sonetto 1. She listens to mostly Pop and Jazz.

My daughter has a nice Mid Fi system also. Project Carbon TT and Pathos Classic Remix with Focals. 

Women like interacting with others; men with things.  The psychology and evolution behind this are overwhelming. 

Bags and jewelry are a noisy factor in the model.    

millercarbon

To be perfectly candid this thread strikes me as virtue signaling of the highest order. It is sexist in the extreme. If we want to attract more people to the hobby then fine, attract more people. The minute you start slicing and dicing people into classes, well then you can no longer say people are people. You have denigrated the divine individual to no more than a member in a class. There’s a word for this and it ain’t good. So you lost me.
Especially since I am quite certain this is virtue signaling ... That’s the thing about virtue: painlessly easy to signal, incredibly painful to actually embody.

I think Millercarbon is trying out for Tucker Carlson's job.

Sorry, but my guestimate, @ this point in the thread, is that in excess of 50% of the responders are female.

The InterNet is full of the unknown.

DeKay

To be perfectly candid this thread strikes me as virtue signaling of the highest order. It is sexist in the extreme. If we want to attract more people to the hobby then fine, attract more people. The minute you start slicing and dicing people into classes, well then you can no longer say people are people. You have denigrated the divine individual to no more than a member in a class. There’s a word for this and it ain’t good. So you lost me.

Especially since I am quite certain this is virtue signaling with zero chance of anyone seriously considering the question. Because that would call for noticing this:

We recently had several threads expressly created for the sole purpose of aggrandizing music that is misogynist. Not just aggrandizing, calling it masterpiece level music. Even though no one can find so much as a single lyric that is not demeaning to women. One of the more famous ones, even though it was in French, turned out the woman in the song was- get this- masochist. She was masochistic and so she went with the macho dude she knew would mistreat her. This is what they came up with when asked expressly to find a song that is not misogynist. We are talking just about women here so we won’t even go into the racism, profanity, and drug abuse glorification aspects of rap.

So you want to attract more women, you got your work cut out for you. A public rebuke of the people who contributed to the rap threads will be a start.

I know, fat chance. That’s the thing about virtue: painlessly easy to signal, incredibly painful to actually embody.

I understand but they are there in the hobby but they are usually not outspoken about it and a lot of women do not have the time or make the time to sit down and listen as much as men do but i have met a few of them over the years and they recognize good sound right away.

Who cares how many women are in this hobby? I doubt it is due to any other factor than the hobby itself and if it is should we or the hobby change to accommodate? Sameness with be the death of us all and is an abominable concept. 

Anyone remember Elizabeth and the crap she went through here on A'gon. Sometimes her gender was called into question once anyone who argued with her started to lose an argument and long after she left. 
She seemed to be the go to when someone had a grudge.
Women.........

All the best,
Nonoise

Maybe 25% of Audiogon posters are women? How would anyone know based on on the non-gender-revealing screen names typically in use here?  You never know.....

Could it be that differences in their physique lead to a different breaking of the sound waves😱

@yuviarora - 5 posts in and you nailed it!
Labels can like a broken clock, right twice a day but wrong much of the time.

why is the high end purse market dominated by  women? 
Is it sexist that not more men buy $5000 dollar handbags? 
Leave people to their interests, makes the  world an infinitely more interesting place. 

They are smarter than us. They know a rabbit hole when they see it. 

The wife has a very nice system that she keeps in the living room.  For a while she had a Linn Sondek and still has a decent selection of LPs.  Yeah, my high end system, coupled with the fact that I have a special room for it, does garner its share of flack from her. But what can I say? We met at the record store.

They would rather buy shoes.

Because they can't lift the gear.

It's just not this hobby, it's all hobbies, except those hobbies that women are more attracted to, like maybe doll collecting, etc. I race cars, motorcycles, karts, and sailboats. There are a few women in each sport but we'll never see a 50/50 mix. I don't really care about the underlying reasons, it just is. 

And this one attacks Paul McGowan, plus a few other audiophiles!
https://youtu.be/XyuOaWLCVSM

You guys are close. Now lets see what we have..

Ladies for the most part like the music not the gear..

Most ladies like to move around when they are listening to music.

That's right we listen they DANCE!

Me I just joined the party 50 years ago and haven't set down yet.

As for thinking the people here were a bunch of women, I didn't think that at all, I thought it was more like "girly man".  A bunch of little boys AND girls... BUT little when it comes to name calling.. LOL 

About a "FUSE"!  Might as well as committed an act of WAR...

Taking one side or the other.

I think "BREAKER", I take no side. I take MY SIDE!

Expensive cables, I love expensive cables. I just don't like paying for them.. SO I make my own. I take no side. I take MY SIDE!

Every problem I've encountered in my audiophile life has an answer, SO FAR!.. My answer.. :-)

That's right, TIME TO FEED THE CHICKENS!!!!

Regards

there was another thread on this few months back, discussed ad nauseum

So sexism is a part of this hobby.
There was nothing offensive in my post and yet some knuckle dragger took exception to it. Pitiful. Keep on talking about how they do the cooking and think, see and hear differently so that they can be pigeonholed like it's always been done.

All the best,
Nonoise

Paul McGowan from PS Audio thinks he know:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXYDDKQofTA&t=217s

My wife LOVES music but could care less in soundstage or placement of instruments and the such. Doesn't like sitting in one place but likes to listen to music while cooking or over dinner as background music. She's a music lover but not an Audiophile. 

I always assumed that a high percentage of the posters in audio forums were/are female.

Did I somehow get this wrong?

DeKay

@ghasley +1

As a gross generalization, women like the music and personal relationships, and men like the gear and the science behind it.

Even though none of our systems is in a "dedicated" audiophile room, my wife has no interest in messing with the main system but she loves to play the garage/outdoor system, which is a simple streamer running Roon connected to a dac with integrated volume control - one remote for on/off and volume, and iPad for Roon, so it is easy to operate and she is confident using it. 

She would never consider posting on Audiogon, which she would find tedious, boring, and a waste of time, but she is way more interested in her relationships with family and friends and sharing photos and stories, in person, on the phone, or on Facebook.

I met a woman audiophile once! Back in '78 or '79 at one of the fall NYC HiFi shows. She was a rep for Polk. It was evening. We were alone in someone's exhibition room and we bonded over a discussion about audio in general as we looked over a nicely-setup Linn Sondek TT!

It is what it is.  You are asking the wrong person. 

It used to be know that men and women are different. They have different interests, motivation and priorities.

Somehow equality became corrupted by the idea of sameness. But We aren’t the same. I'm glad

The problem being: to define balance.

So many of the system photos on this website show a cluttered room where a concerted effort to create a shrine to complexity is anchored by a single chair. Too many in our hobby are more interested in equipment rather than music. Few women hang out in rebuilding your carb forums but they still enjoy driving a car. In general I would venture as a group they find balance a little better than the average audiogoner.

I think they are turned off by the men in the hobby. I mean, I wear white socks with sandals as a ploy in order to stay single, but what's your excuse?

Frank

1) They just don't care 2) They focus more on music than good sound 3) They don't give a sh*%^&t about electronic equipment in general 4) They don't like nerds & the mansplaining of audio jerks ("my toy is bigger/better than your toy bla bla bla"). 5) They feel intimidated by blinking lights or the complicated looks of equipment 6) They are wiser in general, so they don't understand the "audiobug" we have been bitten by and why we are autistically searching for the last bit of performance. 7) Even if they are interested, they don't like it when they can be "blamed" for liking a men's hobby. 

I love to see more women in audio, but you cannot force diversity. Representation is not a fixed goal IMO. Each their own.

Women just don't like men.. Except my Mom, she was perfect, yes she liked music. No they broke the mold..

UNLESS it's your Mom, then you know she's perfect, likes music and they broke that mold too..

Just Moms so far. So if you're lucky you get a twofer. 

A Mom that just happens to be a wife, pilot, referee, coach, nurse, cook, LOL add what you want.. Audiophiler, I guess you better off than most.

DANCE.  Now you know why there are so few... Dance Amigo...

Hat on the floor, as I slowly walk around the hat to the beat of the music an my faithful K-9 follows me.. I stop and slowly back around the hat... Olay.....

Women don't get paid as much as men.  You also don't find a lot of poor people in this hobby.