But the problem is that the experts invited will mirror the inclinations of the party connected and the special interests therein. I dont think the results would change. |
Did you ever think that sgreg was being deliberately provocative to get the sensitive among us upset? Good on you if you were joking. If not then I think it may be time to revaluate your relationship. Just sayin! |
Who cares how many women are in this hobby? I doubt it is due to any other factor than the hobby itself and if it is should we or the hobby change to accommodate? Sameness with be the death of us all and is an abominable concept.
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Nonsense! Please dont use the word systemic..anything. And exactly who is parroting the flavor of the day?
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And then ghasley makes things worse by being patronizing. A participant from an unusual demographic should be treated no differently than the typical "nerd" man. Sorry but IQ remains the same, although a new perspective is welcome. Ladies please avoid speaking for women, but instead speak for yourself!
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ghasley,
No offense taken. Ten years ago I wouldnt have thought anything about your post, but these days I am getting extremely sensitive to politically correct commentary. Truthfully the problem is probably more with me. |
The best way to help our gender challenged hobby is from the inside. Sorry but if I were to pick a female dominated hobby, I wouldnt expect them to change anything to accommodate me. In fact, if they did I would it very offensive. But I like discourse, a bit of chaos and a good fight. I am sure that women participate in locker room talk and might (GASP) say something that might insult me as a man. I would expect a few of the veterans in the group to talk down to me or look past me from time to time. I wouldnt automatically assume it was because I was a man. Why not concentrate on the welcoming majority instead of fixating on what you have been told you should expect from a bunch of men.
Nonoise, so should be expect congressional hearings to only be populated by those who are most directly affected? You will get just a diverse response from a bunch of random women on womens rights as you would from a panel of men from different social and economic backgrounds. But I am sure that all women have the same view on abortion just as an example. How about 1 token man in this hearing?Gender and racial experience is not universal, nor is the way experiences are perceived. Sounds good if you dont give it much thought. |
Well if anonymity is such a concern, perhaps we should all use our actual names.
Did you ever consider that some of the of the problems experienced by these female enthusiasts were issues with perception and not reality? To assume that these members speak for all women and that their shared experiences are universal is very dangerous. The kinder and gentler among use readily accept this as fact because it fits very neatly into the narrative and world view.
If you really want issues of race and gender to disappear, then quit calling attention to it and expect no special accommodation when you start to participate in a staid hobby like audio. The best way to affect change is to get over the feelings of discomfort and show these old farts that you have something to offer. Yes I did suggest that some of us step out of our comfort zones for just a moment. Some things in life arent easy as much as current trends would like to suggest that they should be.
jjss49 I love the way you equate social and political opinions with notions of worth.
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You mentioned invisible people, lack of education, fake news and perhaps some other stuff that I cant recall. At its core you are implying that only the chauvinists suffer from the above and certainly not your women friend who is higher up in Birkenstock. If you tell me that you dont equate certain social and political views with the above then I apologize. Oh and I love it when you express your views. What a drag to have a world that sees all things as I do. My responses dont indicate a lack of respect just a difference of opinion. If I made an inappropriate jump then I am sorry.
Dont use a 6SL7 in place of a 6SN7. Damage isnt likely but may be possible. I would probably bi-wire but for different reasons than most. |
I will make the same effort to accommodate a women as I would a man. How could a woman expect more? Anything else is patronizing and true chauvinism. Because there is no universal female experience, everything is individual perception and as such can only addressed individually. Same applies for all the other so-called "systemics". By telling someone what to expect you can influence the expectation.
If by referring to me as a primitive you imply a desire to go back to the days of open discourse, lack of cancel-culture, teachers that dont socially indoctrinate, open college forums, willingness to embrace our actual history, rejection of societal androgenization, recognition/reward, etc then I am definitely a primitive and I wear this badge proudly.
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ghasley,
Read my post and spare me the emotion based diatribes. Never in any of my responses have I said anything about unequal treatment and never have I called for a return to more traditional roles for women. Never have I demeaned, insulted or implied any lack of worth. I just simply refuse to go along with the tired narrative of the gentle/caring ones.
May I remind you that women's movements for years having only sought equal, not special, treatment. But I thank you for your civility and for actually responding to content instead if just making a terse and predictable comment like the one from our resident sage djones. What other than a refusal to treat with deference do you find in my posts that you find objectionable?
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Thats what I thought and had expected. Lets solve problems without discussion.
"Blind acceptance is a sign of silly fools who stand in line".
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So djones what you got? Give us a solution. How about some new pejoratives. Mansplain is so 1990s. Lets spar if you got the kiwis for it.
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