@gladmo
Not your fault but the seller of the product needs to do a better job with their pictures to illustrate what the Hecks going on with this thing.
Something so simple should be easier to explain. Maybe it's worthwhile but it just seems rather cumbersome and potentially dangerous if you've got something inserted where the fuse normally goes and somehow the added attachment is not used and forgotten about well that presents serious problems.
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@emergingsoul You’re not replacing an circuit breaker, if that’s what you mean. You are just adding a device inline between your component and the AC outlet it plugs into, and replacing a fuse with a slug of the same size. For more info, you can see my review of the Swiss Digital Fuse Box for an explanation (linked near the beginning of this review), or the walkthrough video on Vera-Fi Audio’s product page for the SDFB, near the bottom.
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You have to replace the fuse box that’s incredibly burdensome. How do you replace the fuse box would be nice to see some picture of what’s going on the website certainly doesn’t do this.
Replace fusebox so you can put a special purpose fuse in? That’s really crazy tweaking. What a burden
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If you can use a very short adapter instead of a shorty AC cable, NEMA 5-15P to IEC C13 adapters are nearly invisible, sonically speaking, and very inexpensive.
By the way, Mark from VeraFi did not compensate me to write this review. I wrote it out of pure appreciation and gladness about enjoying my sound system.
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I have a bunch of SDFB’s. Your choice of "shorty" power cable that goes from the outlet to the SDFB matters, but somewhat less sonically than the power cable that goes from the SDFB to your component. VeraFi offers a couple different pre-built options for this. I do a lot of DIY component mods and cable builds, so I built my own shorties for my components to match my preferences for AC cabling and connectors. For my subwoofers, I needed longer shorties so I ordered cheaper, larger gauge AC cables from Amazon.
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Basically, you remove the fuse from each component, or all the fuses in the component. Then add the slug into the fuse holders. All fuses are not solid slugs.
Then you add the circuit breaker/fuse to the power cord of each component, and you have to order the new circuit breaker in the amount of the fuse you pulled? Each piece needs to be attached to the proper component.
Then you need to order new power cables to add the new circuit box to the power cord?
I'm not surprised it sounds better, fuses are basically little resistors. Removing that pinch point should open everything up. Along the lines of adding better power cords.
How much are you into it? I see you have to purchase 3 different pieces for each component. circuit box, slug, cord. Am I wrong? What was the price to add to each component? Think something like this has merit around the $100-200 per component price. Or maybe just add it to the amp, where it should help the most.
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Advice to the OP...
If I Had More Time, I Would Have Written a Shorter Letter
My guess is the OP had a nice experience dealing with Mark as did I, and likes the idea of supporting a small American business, as do I.
The idea of the SDFB made sense to me, so I bought one. I liked it, so I did not send it back. I have no doubt Mark would have refunded my money as promised if I did not.
I paid full price for it and I have no financial interest in Verafi.
Since then I've changed components twice and sent it back for reprogramming to match the different fuse values. Turnaround was very quick and inexpensive.
Rather than claiming "illegal" activity, perhaps just keep quiet if you have no direct experience, or buy one and report your direct experience. It will only cost you shipping both ways and surely you can afford that?
As far as manufacturer warranties are concerned, getting the SDFB blessed by any mainstream manufacturer would be cost prohibitive at best, but probably impossible, and whoever asked that question knows this.
It is no different than Accuphase stating that using any other power cord than the one supplied is "Prohibited". I'm sure no Accuphase owners have ever used an aftermarket PC.
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@whart
Thus far no interference -
I wrote a reply explaining more - but it's gone
Please visit our web site and read the manual please
Best wishes - Mark
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To me, I get the idea that a circuit breaker might make more sense than an old fashioned fuse, but never went down the rabbit hole of "audio" fuses and don't have much to contribute on circuit breakers other than that I try to specify copper buss bars on service panels and tend to go a little overkill on household wiring, using good quality products--not just bare minimum in terms of gauge. (I'm not an electrician or tech but usually rely on commercial electricians for the household stuff and on specialists for all the oddball tube stuff I run).
But, don't know if there is any sonic difference among circuit breakers. This seems to me to be a way to avoid fuses, but had to ask about the gear warranty issue. No axe to grind here. Thanks.
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@whart
The natural state if SDFB is OPEN State
Only when the System senses all systems GO will it Close
Further questions - our manual and disclosures are on line for the public
Thanks - Mark
PS - we have saved many systems already in heavy Lightning areas.
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@deep_333
Eva Cassidy ‘Wade in the water’ how fitting Lol
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Perhaps the sluggo will work on a fishing leader line for walleye
Cheers
You betcha...sluggo could change the water’s vibrations and drive all the fish towards ya. If you let it burn-in in the water long enough, all the fish might start singing in the water like Eva Cassidy, low level listening spls, of course (~45db). Who knows? Anything’s possible with such multipurpose tweaks.
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@whart
To date I’ve seen “0” product of this phoney nature accepted and compatible with high end audio Product manufactures. Perhaps gladmo can Enlighten us with his Slug use on his “ top-notch system” lol don’t hold your breath do hold on to your wallet. This isn’t a tweak it’s a joke.
@ditusa
Thanks Mike from Mike
Perhaps the sluggo will work on a fishing leader line for walleye
Cheers
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@gita Yes! Definitely improved timbre. To me that falls under a combination of two things I did mention, tonality and textures. And I was telling a friend about much improved low SPL listening a few days ago due to the g-slugs, and I intended to mention it here but forgot. So thanks 🫡
Wow...and the improvements keep accruing...I am starting to wonder if it will do major improvements to "female vocals", Diana Krall & Eva Cassidy, specifically at low volume 45db, 50db now...Hmm. It probably does.
Either way, who knew about these hidden joys and expansive esctacies of Graphene...Such a great thing, it appears.
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How do you sleep at night, go away with that nonsense.,.tonality ?? It’s gone from mildly entertaining almost laughable to ridiculous almost illegal.
That's an extraordinary claim. You should probably alert the moderators if you think there's illegal or borderline illegal activity here. You can use the contact us link that is at the bottom of each page.
there’s an election coming perhaps put your name on the docket.
Please stop. Politics don't have anything to do with this.
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... you will need to sit down with a blindfold, have spouse add slugs, swap slugs, etc and pass 23/25 times ...
Actually he needn’t do that at all, especially not simply because you instructed him to. No one here is obligated to conduct research to satisfy you.
As an FYI, when people refer to "blind" testing, it doesn’t mean an actual blindfold is used. It only means the test subject doesn’t know the DUT. That’s what makes it "blind."
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How are gear manufacturers treating this Swiss box w/ slug? Impact on gear warranty?
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@highstream You're welcome. I agree about arrogance and smugness around here. There's a craving for the feeling of being right about some concept and making others wrong, even if it's mostly just based on prejudice.
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Big risk ,-0 safety without a fuse, and a brass slug Horrible conductor ,Copper has 3x better conductivity , 3 x less resistance or noise ,brass is bright vs Copper
that’s why I use a Not too expensive Hifi tuning Copper,gold fuse ceramic body
silicon filled to lesson any vibration ,gold over Copper conductor as well as end caps , and under $90 VH Audio sounds much better then stock Bottleneck
brass zinc buzz fuse that is a horrible conductor Bottleneck with a capital B
copper is a 63 in the Metals conductivity a buzz fuse 17 !!
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@gladmo Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I like a bit of warmth and openness, which includes the top end, although my direct hearing tops out in the 9K Hz range, last I checked. That combo, along with accurate as possible pitch, are what keep me listening for hours. The rest are bonus.
Mark’s linking of your post brought me to Agon. Other than checking here when researching an item, I don’t visit the Agon’s forums anymore because the site attracts a lot of trolls and the proudly and vocally ignorant, more than WBF and Decware, e.g. But unlike those, the people in charge here have a more laissez-faire attitude.
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If you just want the gist, g-slugs make any device with a fuse holder (and a SDFB upstream) produce more linear, extended frequency response that constructs a soundstage and its sonic images with greater precision and dimensionality than you currently experience . They bring you one step closer to 3-dimensional life-like music reproduction and help vanquish speaker locations, perceived room boundaries, and obstacles to musical immersion... your worst enemies!
I began progressively adding back the g-slugs to my components, and what unfolded with each successive addition were greater overall resolution, more evident spatial relationships and image location stability, a sense of space and transparency, and also a feeling of immersion into the musical experience and my satisfaction with it. These g-slugs have some real magic about them, and that’s why I’m writing this. Lastly, I think the contrast between silence and sonic substance widens, so it *seems* like there’s a "blacker background" from which the sounds arise from, but I think it’s actually about your components simply producing more sonic information to build a more convincing sonic scene than it is about removing interfering low-level noise.
a) Any affiliations with this verafi guy? (i.e., more than just an ecstatic customer? any financial/material arrangements? Did verafi guy load you with slugs for free? etc). Please clarify.
b) Eitherway, you will need to sit down with a blindfold, have spouse add slugs, swap slugs, etc and pass 23/25 times. If you can’t, its a no bueno (might be time to toss slugs in a lake and move on).
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@verafiaudio
Thanks for noticing. Made my day. I'd like to take create for this little tidbit, but it goes back a long way. Pretty sure it was a comedian one-liner from years ago.
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There are multiple sellers of graphene of various flake sizes. VeraFi bought some and attached it to copper cylinders using vacuum deposition.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_deposition
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How do they actually utilize graphene? Graphene is only a single atom in thickness and not really easily utilized as of yet. I don't see how it will do anything but act as a marketing point. Powdered Graphene isn't really going to do that much from my reading. I could be incorrect but I don't think the development case for graphene is there yet.
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Whether the graphene sluggo minimizes loss through the fuse holder or alters the flow somehow can best be answered by someone who owns the digital fuse box and can bypass the fuse holder with a simple wiring change. Yet, it seems no one is making the attempt.
I might purchase a couple of sluggo's for the purpose of just seeing what it does without the digital fuse box. I know that is a risk during the trial period, but, I cannot ever recall changing a fuse in my system. I would then compare that to bypassing the fuse holder in my amp.
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That is in the eyes / ears of the beholder ! What pray tell is your idea of top notch ? I gathered warranties aren’t applicable.
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I sleep great because my sound system is top notch.
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How do you sleep at night, go away with that nonsense.,.tonality ?? It’s gone from mildly entertaining almost laughable to ridiculous almost illegal. there’s an election coming perhaps put your name on the docket.
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The advantage of getting a SDFB is that you can remove the main fuse. But you need to replace it with something, either by inserting a slug or doing surgery on your component and bypassing the fuse holder with wire. Most people go with a slug. My experience is that g-slugs are the best sounding slugs, by far.
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Wouldn't it make more sense to skip the sluggo, wire around the fuse & just get the SDFB? Mind you, if the existence of a fuse & the corresponding hardware impedes the flow of electricity, what's the effect of whatever mechanism the SDFB uses?
Count up the fuses in your system, amps, preamps, streamers, phono stage etc... how much cash are we talking here & what is the incremental benefit of each additional SDFB? It feels like the cable discussions to me where people say that they can hear a significant difference from replacing just a single cable (SDFB) but the overall effect of doing this for all is maybe a 5-10% improvement. So the overall effect is say 7% but you can hear a significant improvement from replacing just one single cable (SDFB)? Doesn't make sense to me.
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@highstream Good question. I wrote "appropriately warm" in the section about the pre-burn-in period, but actually it was overly warm for my system when I first installed them in my amp. That there is a copper core was obvious to me. It's hard to describe that initial experience because warm usually implies a darkened top end, but that's not what it was. It was both warm and with a lively top end at once. Anyway, I think you are really asking about tonality after burn-in. As a tonality aficionado, I maintain that it is very good overall. They have some natural warmth, but overall they are more neutral and extended. To me, freq extension, both low and high, is a key to the best overall tonality, and can be one of the more difficult aspects of great tonality to achieve. G-slugs help your components make that happen. Bass, mids, highs all have the qualities of realistic and precise presentation.
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@larryi Since this isn’t a scientific paper about special material electrical properties seeking peer review and publication, the precise answer to your question is that there is no claim being made about the Graphene Sluggo product. It’s just a hifi audio tweak. My post wasn’t a claim as such either, but a sharing of empirical evidence with audiophile languaging on its intended application.
If I were to play around with wild theoretical guesses, I would say that the sonic effects could have something to do with some sort of super-state of electrical excitation due to having so much contiguous graphene particulate matter, which would suggest that it is in a different class compared to the way metal conductors behave in HiFi system power delivery. That’s my intuitive speculation based on zero research. And that’s what the sonic effect sounds like to me.
The closer to your component, the more significant are the qualities of the power chain, and the fuse holder position is very close so the sonic influence is very high. Putting one of these g-slugs very far away from the component, such as at the neighborhood transformer, wouldn’t be audibly detectable.
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@waytoomuchstuff
Maybe the single funniest line I've read in 55 years of doing this
... but it appears that some of the posters got up this morning, slipped on a new pair of BVDs, and forgot to take the cardboard out of them?
OMG - hurt myself - Bravo
@larryi
By way of simple explanation - Graphene conducts almost 5 x "better" than Copper
SDFB allows for SAFE installation of Sluggos (Slugs) - that are rating to 100 amps.
My advice here is summed up this way - Try It. We offer a 30 days money back guarantee. Send it back and we refund your purchase price.
Thanks - Mark
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I still don't quite understand what is the claim about the graphene sluggo. Is it that the sluggo minimizes the restriction of flow of electricity across the fuse holder and thereby improves the sound? Or, alternatively, that the graphene sluggo alters the flow in such a way that the sound is improved? If it is the former--that its highly conductive properties minimizes the flow restriction, then simply bypassing the fuse holder would be the ultimate fix. If it is the latter, it is harder to explain what type of alteration to the flow in the power side would have beneficial effects in the signal amplification side of an amplifier. Can anyone speculate on how the graphene sluggo works?
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Interesting post. Well articulated deep dives into our hobby are always appreciated.
I was one of those "doubters" that was dragged kicking and screaming into the whole subject of "power delivery". Now, it's safe to say, I didn't just drink the KoolAide. I chugged the whole pitcher! We do performance mods. Power deliivery upgrades are "standard" proceedure now. Big smiles. Every time.
The OPs post makes sense to me. So, do the alternatives suggested here as well. I've spent some time with circuit breakers vs fuses with good sonic results. It seems that "breakers" are not as fast as fuses, and found that I need to drop a couple of values to stay on the safe side. The gear I've used for experimentation falls into the "replaceable" category. Not quite ready to whack away at my A-team gear just yet. Just wondering if anyone else has gone down this path?
Not trying to be judgmental here, but it appears that some of the posters got up this morning, slipped on a new pair of BVDs, and forgot to take the cardboard out of them? It's an audio forum. We sling ideas around. Some of them stick. Some don't.
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@gladmo You wrote: “The copper in the slugs gives it the appropriately warm midrange similar to the copper in the CuTF caps, and the graphene enhances the top end.”
Does the graphene sluggo maintain that? You wrote about balancing, something I pay attention to too, while seem to be more adept at developing options than probably most of us.
Thanks for replying about NPS-Q45T. I didn’t know that you had previously used it. Unlike the NPS-1260, my bottle of which inexplicably disappeared, I found that the Q45T, at least on tube prongs, changed the tonality to neutral, so took it off.
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Did anyone make it through the whole post?
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What utter rubbish, the best example of fairy dust and use of the placebo syndrome yet. People can’t be that stupid, my suggestion don’t quit your day job. 200 years ago you’d be going around the country in a Horse drawn caravan belching Sluggo elixir.
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Got a pair of SDFB's and used some "hardware store" copper tubing with them. A remarkable improvement from the Hi-Fi fuses that were in the monoblocks. Then installed the Super Sluggos and in my opinion the copper tubing and the super sluggos were quite close to each other. I then went to 99.99% copper OFHC copper tubing that I polished and again noticed another improvement although not quite as much as the initial improvement with the SDFB's and copper tube/sluggos gave initially, but an immediate improvement in the sound stage yet again.
IMO I feel the the skin effect provided by using tubing performs better than a solid piece, at least that is what my ears are telling me!
I am waiting for the air core/hollow graphene Sluggos to arrive. Should be a worthwhile wait as far as I'm concerned. Lovin the improvements the SDFB's allow one to experiment with.
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@cleeds
You should know better by now - never bother asking @jasonbourne to back up any of his ridiculous comments :)
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@gladmo thanks for the reply and good tips!
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One thing I recommend is handling any graphene product with nitrile gloves, and the bonus is that no skin oils get on the g-slug surface.
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@tksteingraber I think you should go for the g-slug. The return policy is great, but you won’t be returning it. At least not your first one or two.
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I haven't used VeraFi's rhodium plated slug, but it's interesting to me. I'm a big user of rhodium plated AC and signal cable connectors. I've used hollow silver slugs, but it didn't quite work out for me... same with brass. There's someone on this forum that's into solid titanium, molybdenum, and tungsten, and says they all have their intriguing aspects. I'm listening to my system right now and have no desire to look for other slugs, but I'm open if they aren't too difficult to acquire.
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Thanks for the detailed review Gladmo- Have you or anyone else compared any other Sluggo types besides polished copper and graphene? Silver solid, Silver hollow, rhodium/copper, gold/copper, rhodium/silver hollow or solid? Lots of choices out there now. I have been on the fence with the graphene sluggo and use solid silver, gold/ copper and rhodium/silver hollow with good results.
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@highstream Hi, I can see how you’d think that because I previously used quite a lot of NPS-Q45T, but I stopped using it over a year ago and removed it from my cables to get a more natural sound. I can tell you with certainty that it is not the same. To me, it is very much like a limited range EQ tweak boosting certain higher frequencies. G-slugs are like using a totally different component that outputs greater resolution, linearity, extension, and vividly 3D stereo imaging. Also, my hearing is good into the teens, yes.
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@gladmo Thanks for the exhaustive review. I suggest a comparison of the graphene sluggo with either NPS-1200 contact enhancer or the current version, NPS-Q45T, both of which contain graphene. The nature and quality of the gains you describe are similar to what those provide, both immediately and after three days. Btw, since I don’t know anything about you, is your hearing really able in the 10-12K range (vs. diminished capacity or merely sensing a high end there, like many of us only have remaining)?
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@gita Yes! Definitely improved timbre. To me that falls under a combination of two things I did mention, tonality and textures. And I was telling a friend about much improved low SPL listening a few days ago due to the g-slugs, and I intended to mention it here but forgot. So thanks 🫡
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@gladmo
Thanks for keeping us up to date with your findings. I’ve been following your informative epic with great interest. I’ve had good luck with aftermarket fuses, but the SDFB clearly in another league.
When I bought the SDFB, I went straight for the g-slug. Generally my results, as far as they go, mirror your own. I will add that if you’ve only got 50 or 60 hours on the g-slug, you may not be completely cooked.
I’m surprised I haven’t read anywhere about improved timbre. I guess it’s system dependent, but to me it’s pretty striking how instruments sound more like themselves now. Also, low level listening has become more satisfying.
"Tonality" may not be the word I’m looking for, but the presentation has certainly changed. I had configured the peripherals of my system around a tubed integrated amp. I swapped in a solid state integrated a couple of months ago. My cables are all from a well regarded manufacturer. They’re known for their open, fast character. Well, I’ve just ordered a power cord reputed to be "organic" and "relaxed." I’ll see where that takes me. It may be more harmonious with the g-slug loaded SDFB.
Cheers!
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