Is there an equivalent to the Dragonfly - compact quality converter - but for audio in (microphone)?
does MacBook Pro need a DAC?
Not an engineer with a basic question. Just got a new MacBook Pro. It has AudioMIDI setup with format up to 96k hz.
I am using it by plugging in a cable into a headphone jack with the other end going into the receiver. A friend suggested I get a DAC. but I don't see what purpose would an additional DAC serve. Isn't my MacBook Pro already converting digital to analog signal? and is it doing it efficiently? enough for high quality reproduction? thanks in advance to all who respond
I am using it by plugging in a cable into a headphone jack with the other end going into the receiver. A friend suggested I get a DAC. but I don't see what purpose would an additional DAC serve. Isn't my MacBook Pro already converting digital to analog signal? and is it doing it efficiently? enough for high quality reproduction? thanks in advance to all who respond
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quick comment: there is talk here of the headphone jack being optical as well. Maybe, maybe not, either way don;t use it. Toslink is merely the optical version of SPDIF. It has some disadvantages - limited to 96 kHz, and very jittery. Since you have USB, use that instead. Toslink is the last choice for great sound. |
If you want to use the Mac port as a toslink connection, you will need to buy a miniplug extender for your toslink cable or buy a new toslink to miniplug cable. if you want anything more than background music, you will need to use an external dac. As with most components, the better dacs will cost more. |
Some MBP laptop's headphone jack (3.5mm) is also an optical output! Really. when sending audio out, look straight in to the empty jack... If you see a little red light inside, then it's a digital optical out that can connect to a optical input on a surround receiver or any device with an optical input. |
Coincedently, this weekend I received a used, Audioquest dragonfly, black that I bought for $50 on eBay. It was a very noticeable improvement over my 2016 MacBook Pro's analog output. The mids and highs were much more clearly defined...making the Mac DAC seem quite muddy and distorted. It's not as good as using the DAC in my Marantz cd6006, but it's portable...like my laptop. |
If money is an issue, you can get Audirvana for $79.00 It is a vast improvement on the built in DAC. Either i'm missing something here or need to point out an error. Audirvana is a media player (software). It is not a hardware digital-to-analog converter. If you use Audirvana (or itunes or any other player) you still need a DAC to physically create the analog wave-form from the code. The MBP has a cheap one built in. You can buy external, better ones from $100 -->> $10,000, with diminishing marginal returns. Someone also asked about the superdrive. In general any such removable, optical media, compared to playing the ripped file off the HDD or SSD (better) will generate higher noise at minimum. Whether you find this significant depends on many factors that i wont get into. |
i listen to Tidal. Master tapes are favorites of course. Based on what you all said here, I decided to go with an option I can afford at the moment, Shiit Midi 3. My tastes are eclectic but tend to new classical music. Will post my experience with the DAC, after I get it. Badger_erich: Could you, please, post if/when you find a different solution from the one you currently use? I have a Rotel and B&W 805s at the other end. am already quite happy with the sound thanks to you all. I really appreciate you taking time to help me. |
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If you watch movies, then it is definitely better to take advantage of your receiver's DAC/surround sound processor. If you listen to music (and that is the impression I get), give your receiver's DAC a try and keep it that way if you like the sound. If you want even better sound quality, go for a better, standalone DAC. (Was it Neil Young who recently said that the Macbook Pro has Fisher-Price audio quality?) |
Just listen to it for a while first. Just enjoy your music, movies etc.. Whenever you are ready, borrow a dac from your buddy and just see if you can hear the difference. My PC's built in chip set failed. Followed by an failed add in sound card a year later. I moved onto external DAC/amp at that time and brought my stack forward onto every new PC build for quite a few years now. |
I use this for my digital files in an otherwise high quality analog system: MacBook Pro > USB (C TO MICRO USB CABLE) > Chord MoJo > Black Dragon (MINI PHONO TO RCA CABLE) > Preamp This is a reasonably low cost solution providing very good sound for me. Depending on the quality of your receiver, this may provide a substantial increase in SQ. Good luck. |
Any outboard DAC will likely be better than the internal one. I’ve found that a good DAC is key to having the music converted properly. Even with cheap speakers you’ll likely hear a quite noticeable improvement. When I moved to an outboard DAC on my Mac Mini, a Meridian Director, I was amazed at the improvement. So much that after a couple weeks I upgraded to the Schiit GUNGNIR Multibit. It was crazy how much better the music was. Two hours into the GUNGNIR and I knew I couldn’t live with it. I had to have the Yggdrasil. All three upgrades within a six week period. The DAC is extremely important. It’s where the music starts. |
Part of the answer to the OP's question is another question. What are you listening to using your MacBook Pro as the source? Music, movies and videos? Another question is whether your receiver and speakers will readily allow you to hear the greater resolution/clarity of a separate external DAC. In general, I agree with aka_ca. You can achieve a significant improvement in sound quality with a modestly priced Audioquest Dragonfly DAC, which plugs into one of your laptop's USB ports. Is it necessary? No. But if you listen to music, particularly acoustic music (classical, jazz, acoustic guitar), the improvement in sound quality should be very noticeable. For rock music with lots of electronic amplification, probably less so. For movies, a lot will depend on how much you listen to vs. watch them. A number of dealers who sell these external DACs have good return policies, so you can try one and see if the difference in sound is enough to justify your spending the money for it. |
Does not require an external DAC, but one can improve sound quality. You may or may not think it’s worth the effort. All true. Just to expand. a) the MacBook pro has a built in DAC =. b) it is mediocre. c) what is your quality standard? In a reasonably resolving audiophile system, even a $99 Schiit Modi will destroy the internal DAC. A real DAC is a revelation. Caveat #2: This is about very high quality sound. none of this matters without a good --> to very good system. YMMV. |
Depending on your "receiver", you may do better with USB, HDMI or even ethernet/wifi from your MacBook Pro to your "receiver"... I have used all three from my MacBook Pro to my Yamaha AVR, which in my opinion, sounds much better than analogue headphone audio out from the MacBook Pro... In my case the Yamaha AVR has a nice Burr Brown DAC built in... I have since upgraded to a Lumen U1 Mini streamer and Chord Qutest DAC for yet another level of audio nirvana... |
I plug my RCA to mini-adaptor into the headphone jack on my MacBook Pro, that's how I watch movies. Then to improve the sound I move one Synergistic ECT and stick it on the laptop. Finally I place one of the amazing eCards on it. These improve both image and sound. It works really well and my standards are fairly high. https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367 Yes you can do even better with a DAC. A DAC that will also sound even better with an aftermarket power cord. And sitting on Cones. On a good Shelf. With a better interconnect. Before you know it you've spent as much as the laptop, which ultimately is what you still have, a movie off a laptop. Which can be quite good, and very cost effective. But only as long as you let it be cost effective. |
An external DAC is a step-up in audio performance that is not subtle E.G AQ COBALT ( latest model); RED, or BLACK REVIEWS https://www.whathifi.com/us/reviews/audioquest-dragonfly-cobalt https://www.wifihifi.ca/LatestNewsHeadlines/Hands-OnReview:AudioQuestDragonFlyBlack1.5/Red.html https://www.whathifi.com/us/audioquest/dragonfly-red/review |