Brave man, McGowan...


https://www.psaudio.com/pauls-posts/seeds-of-change/#comments

Brave for sure. This will alienate a bunch of people. All cable haters and snake oilers. Very risky business for Paul to post this in public forum. 
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Well, on a related, but much smaller scale, I replaced my PS Audio AC-5 power cable going to my integrated amp with an Audioquest Thunder cable a few months back. The improvement was definite but also hard to describe so I won’t try but I’m looking for a Tornado now and will move the Thunder to my streamer/dac. Nice stuff, but I hope I never hear a Dragon, that snack bracket is just too high!
Apparently that’s not how many people listen. Basically, if my Null Tester cannot pick up something, my ears cannot possibly pick up 😬
Speaking of which, it's really funny when such come to the conclusion that any difference they hear yet can't measure is trick of their mind. So impressions are trick of the mind also. And enjoyment comes from impressions. What's the point of being an audiophile, again? ;)
Apparently that’s not how many people listen. Basically, if my Null Tester cannot pick up something, my ears cannot possibly pick up 😬
It's pretty simple, Paul is telling us/you to use your ears. That is all that is necessary. Then decide if you can't live without it or not.
As a big PS audio fan, when it came for a modern power conditioner, I went for the Niagara 7000.   I had a power plant premier years ago and found that a passive Acoustic Revive RPT-6 ultimate sounded better.  That was 2 generations of power plant ago, though and haven’t heard them. What sold me on The Niagara was mostly the theory behind it and also the fact that (believe it or not) I and also a friend could hear the Niagara’s benefit on power amps on a YouTube demo video.  I know it sounds crazy but it was audible.

Now I have to go read Paul’s comments referred to in this topic.  No matter the outcome of the benefits of the power plant, I’m in love with their  BHK300 amps and DS dac.

Lots of people had their Honey Bunches for breakfast! 😂

The PS Audio regenerators don't filter ground connections or noise from the gear. It only makes sense that better power cables can make a difference.

The big question is if Paul will now try the Niagara. 😁
Yes, pretty much you said you have the maturity of a 12 year old.



dill950 posts11-10-2019 12:57pm- Let's hope atdavid doesn't find this thread ...    😎

- Enough said ....

The PS audio ac regenerators "simply" do not really clean up the ac.
Line noise gets through or is generated by the PS ac regenerator.
McGowan’s products are way overrated POS!

I read Paul's post as the AQ PC is a superb product rather than taking anything away from P20. I have no reason to believe that someone like Paul has any other motives but trying to people what actually happened. The dragons are over my budget but if I had the dough, I would definitely try them out
- Let's hope atdavid doesn't find this thread ...    😎

atdavid: " Why, are you afraid I will point out the lack of details in his post, no mention of if or how many times they swapped back and forth the cables to validate the change, that I will suggest the P20 wasn't doing its job or perhaps that the P20 has some fundamental issues exacerbated by load cables, that I will predict this "experiment" will never be repeated in a forum/method that allows us common folk to validate the results, or that I will point out that I don't actually mention power cables in my posts, but do mention heavy feeds from your breaker panel .... or all of the above?

More likely I wouldn't have posted at all in this thread, but since you felt the need, for whatever reason to bring up my name"

- Enough said ....
Why, are you afraid I will point out the lack of details in his post, no mention of if or how many times they swapped back and forth the cables to validate the change, that I will suggest the P20 wasn't doing its job or perhaps that the P20 has some fundamental issues exacerbated by load cables, that I will predict this "experiment" will never be repeated in a forum/method that allows us common folk to validate the results, or that I will point out that I don't actually mention power cables in my posts, but do mention heavy feeds from your breaker panel .... or all of the above?

More likely I wouldn't have posted at all in this thread, but since you felt the need, for whatever reason to bring up my name ....


dill949 posts11-09-2019 10:16pmLet's hope atdavid doesn't find this thread ...    😎

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Speaking of space/time...........I wonder what type of power cables they use at CERN on the particle accelerator/smasher. They are certainly dealing variations of the infinite.

>>>>>I have it on fairly reliable authority that CERN uses audiophile AntiCables primarily because it turns out they’re really good for observing AntiParticles. 👀
If I were Paul McGowan the experiment for me would be to "daisy chain"
lets say 5 of those P20 regenerators together.  First one into the wall and the next one into its output etc etc.  He certainly has a bunch of them and they test them all prior to leaving the factory.  

Speaking of space/time...........I wonder what type of power cables they use at CERN on the particle accelerator/smasher.  They are certainly dealing variations of the infinite.
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No, cables and power cords are not filtering AC noise. They are oft shielded against external noise of the RF variety but any noise on the AC comes right in along with the audio signal. I am not making this up and I didn’t invent reality. Not to mention there are other types of noise from many sources including the noise coming right through the windows and noise generated by microprocessors as well as magnetic fields. I don’t use cables or power cords personally so I actually don’t have a dog in this fight. But I do know there’s no substitute for Signal to Noise + Distortion Ratio.
In browsing through the thread I see a few people mentioning component noise so I am wondering if the cables are filtering ac noise.  To me that means the component is flauded and some of the change for the cable is doing that which would explain to me a quieter background more dimension more details,etc.  So I am left wondering how much of an improvement would those cables have on components that already filter nose much better?  I know that may only be part of the equation.  I just began installing Pliton torodial chokes in my components and that is the change I  hearing for a $400 part.   Happy listening
" Nothing matters ———-/——-> Everything matters"

"Everything is good 'till it ain't"  Tony Soprano
You're right he is a brave man, he just told the world that his $9999 AC regenerator is a POS.  
I can go along with the idea that any cable carrying signal can and will make a difference (some kinda difference).  But an AC cord is where it stops for me. Unless you're going to rewire all the way from the power station. 
Flame suit on!
AES has proven it’s function is to protect the shield, not advance the materials/performance science

I have 20 amp dedicated line for my system. When PSA first introduced the Premier Power Plant, I was a dealer (discount). It developed issues after about 2 years. I sent it back and they rebuilt it, but same issues popped up, hopefully their new line is better built, but even more expensive. I replaced it with Core Power. When I upgraded from a Core Power 1200 PLC to the 1800, they gave me what they said was a ’excellent’ PC. I used it that way, but after awhile I decided to replace it with a $900 Tek Line PC that I owned. Well, my whole system sounded much much better in all 3 dimensions well 4; the smiles factor. They are now providing a better PC

I am going to be evaluating a new Core Power PC (Valiant) direct from Underwood HiFi: they will also be offering a complete line of cables soon

IMHO, Paul should have dropped his prices to wholesale when he chopped off his dealers onions AND he wouldn’t let them sell existing inventory for less (class action anyone?) or return them. No bueno
I was considering purchasing a PS Audio Power Regenerator, but I agree with phomchick190: based on PM's post, either the vaunted claims about their "regenerators" are BS, or he is mistaken about his impression of the Dragon.  I'm left confused.


I suspect AES has already delved into the dodgy and murky subject of do power cords really make a difference and that the AES sub-committee on Testing Weird Audiophile Beliefs has already established beyond a reasonable doubt that high confidence participants proved that power cords all sound the same in controlled double blind tests.
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I've been thinking about this for a bit. Is PM claiming his power regenerators are not actually the best thing since sliced bread?? 
If what PMcG says about his power generators is true, there is no possible way a power cord going INTO a power generator could make a difference to the perceived audio. I am willing to suspend disbelief for many absurd audiophile claims, but this is way too far for me.
I've been thinking about this for a bit. Is PM claiming his power regenerators are not actually the best thing since sliced bread??


Power cables can make a big difference. Any cable can make a difference. The difference might not always be an improvement or the difference might not be worth the extra $$$ you might have to pay. 
Nothing matters ———-/——-> Everything matters

find where on the continuum you achieve happiness 


I listened to a pair of Vandy VLR's powered by the Belles integrated using a Bluesound Node as source.
At first the VLR's were using a lower grade AQ cable (GO-4). When we switched to the William Tell. It was quite obvious that the Vandy's were performing at a significantly higher level.-And, this is without a subwoofer.
In fact, the new cables enabled the VLR's to reproduce bass almost equivalent to when they had the subs connected.
A truly mind boggling event.
Now, would I spend that much on speaker cables for a pair of bookshelf speakers?
Probably not, unless I heard the difference in performance.

Though it might be more rational to buy a higher quality amp and use an off the rack power cord, I think my audition shows that cabling even 2nd tier equipment with high quality power/interconnect/ speaker cables can make a huge difference.
Bob
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“I can hear the diff in interconnect & loudspeaker wire but that is actually carrying the signal, so it makes sense.”

Sometimes I can’t decide who is funnier. The skeptics or the believers.