glupson7,081 posts02-23-2021 11:47am millercarbon,
Shortly afterwards, you crushed it all by implying you somehow had access to check if my purchasing history was correct. Unless you hacked into my e-mail account and saw confirmation e-mail, you are pointing towards Better Records as being your source of verification.
There are potential customers reading this and some will take this as a warning. If Better Records did not do anything wrong, it would be unfair to leave the stain next to its name. Another take on this is the Miller is getting a kickback and that is how he knows about a sale. It is not a good look either. I find what Miller posted very creepy. Time to fess up. |
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millercarbon,
Do yourself a favor. Do not go into PR business. You managed to raise attention to Better Records and, probably, created some traffic for that website.
Shortly afterwards, you crushed it all by implying you somehow had access to check if my purchasing history was correct. Unless you hacked into my e-mail account and saw confirmation e-mail, you are pointing towards Better Records as being your source of verification.
Put aside bizarre urge to do something like that on your part, but no customer would want to deal with the business anyone could call and check on purchases, names, e-mails, etc.
I sincerely hope it was just a moment of fantasy in your life and not the actual event.
However, unless you can explain how, I am not even asking why, you checked what and if I had purchased and other details you presented, there will be a big suspicious stain about Better Records. If they had nothing to do with this bizarre development, you may want to clear their name.
There are potential customers reading this and some will take this as a warning. If Better Records did not do anything wrong, it would be unfair to leave the stain next to its name. |
The crescendo is all the biggest donkeys on the site braying together. |
I believe we are at the crescendo of miller informing us to go away because this is nothing but blather and a waste of space on his personal thread.
That will give me ample opportunity to inform him he brought it upon himself by stalking you. He can't stand it when he doesn't have ironclad control of the narrative. |
Because miller went to see him.
Perhaps he's a fan of Van Goghs....
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Isn't The Night Cafe also Van Gogh?
How did Picasso get dragged into all of this? |
Picasso, Van Gogh, whatever. Wasn’t even Starry Night. The Night Cafe. Like it matters. Apparently he has not. I have noticed miller is a stickler for facts and accuracy. Unless he is the one who is being corrected. |
"You learn something new here everyday." You mean Picasso vs. Van Gogh? You think he learned? |
You learn something new here everyday. |
It also does not speak well of a company and owner if they are so willing to share customer information. |
"I think that GK is out there somewhere having a belly laugh ." At least, geoffkait did not snoop on me. It may seem innocent, but it is seriously concerning if someone from an audio forum can go checking your purchases. Not to start with, hopefully silly, motifs behind such an activity. I am just hoping it is yet another one of millercarbon's fabricated stories of importance. |
Okay DS, your story checks out. Well the part about buying it anyway. Much to my surprise. Now if you can tell how awesome it is I will be even more surprised. I wonder if you can ban someone for stalking. How disturbingly creepy. Honestly, what went through your head that you felt compelled to expend time and energy to verify if a fellow member bought what he said he bought?? |
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millercarbon OP7,755 posts02-18-2021 3:03pm
It’s cute the way you kids think. Like toddlers stacking blocks of wood, imagining it’s the Empire State Building.
Five minutes and even the worst listener will understand just how far off you are. Like, look. I went to see Picasso. I brought home the refrigerator magnet of Starry Night. No matter how much I want to believe, it’s just not the same.
But you go on. Tell yourselves you found oil on canvas. Anyone can see it’s crayon on paper. But you go on. I’m getting a kick out of it. Seriously. Cracks me up.
glupson7,074 posts02-18-2021 4:07pm
Starry Night is Van Gogh.
I think that GK is out there somewhere having a belly laugh . |
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i found it from a reputable seller on Discogs who i do a fair bit of business, it was not cheap....but it certainly has some snap in places beyond the typical Stones grunge...I remember playing it recently and smiling bigtime...the lyrics and wry delivery are my favorite. When i get back to Sunny California, let’s coordinate a loan...decide for yourself.....tempted to lug my Wadia 17 ADC down to rip you a test listen file......
can you imagine our resident story checkout sleuth on the case of helping the My Pillow guy ?...what wasted imaginary potential.... |
"I have a minty promo copy of Some Girls. Rock on !!!"
Is it the banned cover-Lucy,Marilyn,Raquel....or plain |
tomic601,
I have never seen a mint copy of Some Girls. Every copy I have seen has been played ad nauseam. Including mine.
Having said that, how is the actual recording on a good sample? In my mind, and experience with overused records, it always sounds like, well, overused record that needs replacement. |
Glupson, I await your listening impressions....
I have a minty promo copy of Some Girls. Rock on !!! |
"Angels on the head of a pin." The Devil is in the details. |
I thought the white house stomper was gone. Anyway after reading this thread I am now ready to discard my analog rig. Angels on the head of a pin. |
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millercarbon OP7,755 posts02-18-2021 3:03pm
It’s cute the way you kids think. Like toddlers stacking blocks of wood, imagining it’s the Empire State Building.
Five minutes and even the worst listener will understand just how far off you are. Like, look. I went to see Picasso. I brought home the refrigerator magnet of Starry Night. No matter how much I want to believe, it’s just not the same.
But you go on. Tell yourselves you found oil on canvas. Anyone can see it’s crayon on paper. But you go on. I’m getting a kick out of it. Seriously. Cracks me up.
glupson7,074 posts02-18-2021 4:07pm
Starry Night is Van Gogh. This exchange .... will never get old. |
bdp247,207 posts02-21-2021 11:53
Not even mentioned are
the compromises made in mastering and LP production in the old days.
Bass was routinely rolled off below 100Hz (or summed to mono---or both),
and compression was applied to reduce dynamic range, and that’s just to
name two. The best LP’s ever made are those being made now, by far.
The only part of your post I would argue with is that there are many engineers over the years every bit as competent as Tim .... okay, that and I don't have a bias for tubes (for or against). But your overall conclusion, I can't argue with. Such is the reality of vinyl. Anything mass produced, it was (is) a matter of the best of the worst. Makes me laugh when people proudly pronounce this the pinnacle of audio reproduction.
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Cable thread. We will all migrate. |
Why new thread ? Most of crazy audiophiles are already here. |
Seems like a start of a beautiful new thread. |
Just upgraded main interconnects. $1100 used, cost of two white hot stampers. Now everything I have sounds one step better, very meaningful step. |
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"Well, here is the golden opportunity for analog lovers to further enrich their collection" Huh, that would take a lots of time to digitize.
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Quick Frank, while you still have checks left, write one to yourself.
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- "You guys are...whatever you want to call yourselves. Do you print money, anyway?"
My bank called and told me that I was overdrawn. I said, WAIT ...!!! That's impossible, I still have checks left ... !!! |
millercarbon,
My stories always check out Boy, would I have surprising stories for you. You would happily make them your own and then some.
More of a concern is how you were able to check my story about buying it beyond what I wrote here. I will give it benefit of the doubt, with a capital Doubt, that none of my information has been shared by better-records.com. Still, it is very concerning if you could have, in any way, checked the details of my purchase. In fact, it would border with criminal activity.
I will report about the record the way I will hear it. If it is great, you will read it. If it is less so, you will read it. The benefit of my report should be that I have no vested interest in promoting Better Records. I had not heard of it before this thread. I have no love and admiration for it, nor do I have any reason to be against it. Prices are steep, but nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head. |
Okay DS, your story checks out. Well the part about buying it anyway. Much to my surprise. Now if you can tell how awesome it is I will be even more surprised. But if not, well then boy do I have a surprise for you all!
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"When Paganini is ready to be recorded I will happily pay $600 for any reasonably good pressing." Let her know so you can be the first to know, she has connections... Maria Elena Paganini | Facebook |
Just bought an Almost White Hot Stamper of Peter, Paul and Mary.
It was only $99. I should like the content and mostly voices should be easy to be good being in the mid frequencies.
Interesting to mention, Doug Sax’s mastering chain front end was all tube based but his monitoring speakers were all ATC SS powered.
This was in The Mastering Lab in Hollywood and in his 5 channel studio in Ojai. |
"Do you print money, anyway ?" I paid with credit card. |
When Paganini is ready to be recorded I will happily pay $600 for any reasonably good pressing. Not before that.
You guys are...whatever you want to call yourselves. Do you print money, anyway ? |
I bought The Rolling Stones Emotional Rescue. I was considering Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here, too, but it says it has pops and clicks so it defeats the purpose, I think. Had it been without it, I would have bought that one, too.
I am very familiar with Emotional Rescue, I already have two different ones from different countries and neither is from the U.S.A. so it comes in handy that better-records.com had it available. CD is, actually, not that great (whatever it was, the first German release on CD).
Despite arguments about The Rolling Stones recordings quality, I am wondering about comparison with those records that I have, not with some better recordings. I did not buy it to indulge in it, I doubt I will listen to it much after the trial. I bought it out of curiosity.
EDIT: If it is really that great, I will copy it into digital and abandon the CD rip. |
Right. Okay. So, which one? What did you buy?
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Back from romance to records.
I am waiting for my White Hot Stamper to arrive. So far, order has been confirmed and credit card charged. Hopefully, it will ship soon. |
"Remember that guy you hooked me up with?" ????? "Just trying to set some people straight." Is anybody else confused by this post above? |
Yes inna, it is a lot of work. And then even after finding something way better than average you listen to A+++ and your jaw drops. The range of quality between pressings is that big. oregonpapa- Pristine "White Hot" copies are rare birds. I’ve heard from a reliable source that Tom goes through as many as forty to fifty copies sometimes in order to find one that is suitable to be sold on his site.
I personally have over 5000 vinyl records. How many super White Hot Stamper copies do I have? A few ... that’s it. Oh, I have many great-sounding records, but only a few that I could call A+++ stampers as Tom Port sells.
Frank Right. And even those few may not be. Remember that guy you hooked me up with? Easily the most seriously devoted record bin diver type I ever met. First thing he said, near impossible to find a really good YOTC. Nevermind White Hot. Merely really good. A while later he called saying he found a Hot Stamper worthy Steve Miller Book of Dreams. Wanted a lot for it, but less than a Hot Stamper, way less than a Super Hot Stamper, and way way way less than a White Hot Stamper. So I decided to take a chance. And let’s be honest, it does sound better than my random copy of Steve Miller Fly Like An Eagle. Not hugely better. Not Hot Stamper better, but better. Good enough I am not about to complain. It feels silly having to explain this, but some of the kids around here need to hear it: this is an accurate assessment. When the accurate assessment is positive you do not become a fanboy. When the accurate assessment is negative you do not become a hater. I tell it like it is, and let the chips fall where they may. And again, this is not to pick on him. Just trying to set some people straight. Because even this accomplished bin diver, who has found records good enough Tom Port bought them, even this guy who represented to me this was Hot Stamper quality, this copy is just not there. Not even close. This is the hard part to get across to people. We can try and explain it in math terms, probabilities. Then some yahoo genius can’t find his way out of a wet paper bag thinks that means they are everywhere. They are not everywhere. Another brilliant midwit with a record that doesn’t skip and sounds slightly better than all his other crap thinks that means all his not crappy crap is Hot Stamper level. In truth? Not even. But the only way to really understand is to pay the price, play the record, and listen. Instead it’s all, "I learn through the mouth by talking." Not you Frank. Just using your example as a launch pad for blasting off on the wanna bees posting above. |
I can only give one example. Cielo e Terra album by Al di Meola. Speaking of the original pressings. Recorded in the US, so presumably the master tape was also in the US. I probably had ten US pressings, they sounded slightly better/worse but none was close to hot pressing. Then I tried Dutch pressing. Much better, still no. There is no German pressing, at least I didn’t find it. Then I got regular Japanese one. Better than Dutch in every respect. And then I got Japanese promo, Now that sounds good. Then I got another Japanese promo. Sounds even better, clearly better, fuller, more dynamic and detailed. So, I guess I now have a White Hot Stamper. It took a lot of time and effort to find it. Only test pressing, either the US or Japanese, should be better. But, who knows, maybe there is an even better sounding Japanese promo ? How many more of them am I going to buy if they come up for sale ? All of them ?
That’s the beauty of record pressing hunting, there might always exist a better sounding record. In my case, at least those US records cost me about $10 on average and the rest were not much either. Still, so much work, including cleaning. |
Does Better Records source their candidates from different geographical areas, or it is only/mostly U.S.A. oriented?
I have records from a number of different countries and I, and not only I, overall found German-made ones (regardless of if bought in Germany vs. Austria) better than their Italian counterparts. So I still look for German ones. I did buy a few of the same records from the same era, but made in U.S.A. and I, again very subjectively, found them to be inferior to German "stampers". Maybe some International Tom could elaborate on my observations. Maybe a regular German pressing is equivalent to U.S.A. White Hot Stamper? In which case, I just wasted money. Well, we will hear... |
Excellent post glupson. Spot on.
Tom looks at 40 records to find a White Hot stamper. According to the source of all knowledge, Wikipedia, The Year of the Cat went platinum in the U. S. in 1977 ie one million sold. This suggests there are at least 25000 white hot stampers lurking around the U.S alone. I’m sure I have one. My copy sounds fantastic. |
"...so are as a matter of fact blathering pure ad copy and amply embellished imaginings." Isn’t that what the premise of this thread, its original post, is all about? "That is the whole point of the thread." I have a feeling that those discussing, rather than religiously promoting, circumstances around Better Records records are trying... "To let people know and make them aware the ad copy is just that: ad copy!"
"Of course I have never heard one and so have no idea what I am talking about BUT.." and then continue on with your uninformed opinion piece. Wrong thread. That must have been meant for the OP of Tekton Moab thread. |
Pristine "White Hot" copies are rare birds. I've heard from a reliable source that Tom goes through as many as forty to fifty copies sometimes in order to find one that is suitable to be sold on his site.
I personally have over 5000 vinyl records. How many super White Hot Stamper copies do I have? A few ... that's it. Oh, I have many great-sounding records, but only a few that I could call A+++ stampers as Tom Port sells.
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